Maybe it really is too late

[fifth_column]

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/02/07/another-no-knock-police-raid-in-iowa-raises-serious-issues-police-justify-force-of-raid-because-resident-was-legally-registered-gun-owner/

IOWA Police execute a search warrant based on suspected credit card fraud – However, they smashed down the door in a “no-knock” raid replete with full battle armor.   Then the police tried to destroy the CCTV system which was recording their behavior.

So many implications . . . the mind boggles . . . .

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

how did they try to destroy the cctv system?

[fifth_column]

how did they try to destroy the cctv system?

The video shows one of the cameras being ripped down, and another being covered with a cloth or something, by officers.

[charby]

Happened 30 miles from my town, I was a bit irked when I first heard the news, then read this article. I dug a bit deeper and most everyone in the house had a prior, or current warrant for their arrest. Drugs in the house, stolen material in the house, known gun in the house.

[Scout26]

Don't care.   If the police are doing their jobs properly then they should have no fear of video cameras.   None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

Only if they are or are planning to do wrong should they fear being taped.   

[charby]

Maybe they were concerned the perps inside could watch and hide from the police movements. Ankeny, Iowa police aren't they jack boot thugs this article puts them out to be. They are saem police force that recently arrested a man staying in a hotel that was screwing his underage children. They broke up a craigslist prostitution ring, they aren't the over zealous PD that feels the need to break out full battle rattle everytime.

Most people complain about them in enforcing speed zones on I-35 when it drops from 70-65 through town, then to 60 as it gets near the I-80/I-35/I-235 mixmaster and folks still like to cruise on through at 80mph.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Gonna get all realistic? Statist!

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[dogmush]

Didn't read the article, but I'll mention, as someone with formal training in building clearing,  if you are doing one and you see surveillance equipment you destroy or disable it as soon as possible because, as Charby pointed out, it could be being used to observe your movements and direct opposition to tactically advantageous positions.

So, if a tactical entry is warranted the destruction of the cameras is pretty much SOP.  It also shows more professionalism then PD's normally use in these entries. So kudos to them.

[Jamisjockey]

As much of a fan as I am not of no-knock warrants, it makes little sense to set up an entry and leave the cameras functioning.

That said, the idea over a full no knock raid over property stolen in a non violent fashion boggles my mind. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

As much of a fan as I am not of no-knock warrants, it makes little sense to set up an entry and leave the cameras functioning.

That said, the idea over a full no knock raid over property stolen in a non violent fashion boggles my mind. 

why?
the evidence in these crimes is possibly the easiest to destroy

[brimic]

Ankeny, Iowa police aren't they jack boot thugs this article puts them out to be

Most police aren't, until they are.

[Tallpine]

why?
the evidence in these crimes is possibly the easiest to destroy

Wow - that logic just boggles my mind

[AZRedhawk44]

why?
the evidence in these crimes is possibly the easiest to destroy

'Murica.

[dogmush]

why?
the evidence in these crimes is possibly the easiest to destroy

Risk Assessment and Composite Risk Management.

The outcome (Arrest, trial and conviction of thief) isn't worth the risk to officers, bystanders and citizens that are, as yet, innocent of wrongdoing.  How easy the evidence is to destroy is pretty far down the list on reasons to stack and clear a building for anyone with a modicum of professionalism.

And before you start with your "in my experience"  I have actual training in building clearing as well as training in determining risk and applying risk management in a combat environment.  Law Enforcement in the US *expletive deleted*s it up much more often then they get it right.

[Jamisjockey]

why?
the evidence in these crimes is possibly the easiest to destroy

Morally the concept of violently arresting people for non violent offenses is reprehensible.  Period..  That's why.   I'm sure your next move is to jack this thread with anecdotal evidence of why the police state is a good thing.

So should law enforcement have to initiate a violent confrontation with everyone who breaks any law? Because that's what a tactical entry is.

[AZRedhawk44]

So should law enforcement have to initiate a violent confrontation with everyone who breaks any law?

More accurately:

Should law enforcement initiate a violent confrontation PRIOR TO ATTEMPTS AT CIVIL ARREST PROCEDURES with everyone who breaks any law?

They're really not that far away from just shooting anyone in any no-knock situation on presumption of guilt.  If the suspects really are THAT dangerous and society is white-knighting these tactics by SWAT teams, it is basically society saying that the suspects have no continued value to society anyways.

[Tallpine]

Yeah, might as well just hit the house with a missle from a drone on suspicion of overdue libray books.

[brimic]

Yeah, might as well just hit the house with a missle from a drone on suspicion of overdue libray books.

or put a few hundred rounds through the backside of a (black)truck in a traffic stop, just in case...

[SADShooter]

Yeah, might as well just hit the house with a missle from a drone on suspicion of overdue libray books.

or put a few hundred rounds through the backside of a (black)truck in a traffic stop, just in case...

Wastrels. A couple of well-placed flashbangs or teargas canisters to light the place/vehicle up would be much cheaper.

[Balog]

Suspicion of credit card fraud = no knock raid.

"Well your Honor, Billy Bob was suspected of shoplifting and his Dad has a conceal carry permit, so of course we needed to bust his door down at 0300. Officer safety!"

[charby]

Suspicion of credit card fraud = no knock raid.

"Well your Honor, Billy Bob was suspected of shoplifting and his Dad has a conceal carry permit, so of course we needed to bust his door down at 0300. Officer safety!"

I think that was the main point of the article to get people railed up over some loose facts. There was more to the story in the end then just credit card fraud.

[Balog]

I think that was the main point of the article to get people railed up over some loose facts. There was more to the story in the end then just credit card fraud.

Was that what the warrant was for?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Risk Assessment and Composite Risk Management.

The outcome (Arrest, trial and conviction of thief) isn't worth the risk to officers, bystanders and citizens that are, as yet, innocent of wrongdoing.  How easy the evidence is to destroy is pretty far down the list on reasons to stack and clear a building for anyone with a modicum of professionalism.

And before you start with your "in my experience"  I have actual training in building clearing as well as training in determining risk and applying risk management in a combat environment.  Law Enforcement in the US *expletive deleted* it up much more often then they get it right.

when you cleared em was preserving evidence on your list?

[Balog]

when you cleared em was preserving evidence on your list?

Actually yes, at least on the raids I did in Iraq.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

How would one do that with knocking in a way that woukd keep someone from wiping a hard drive?

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