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As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« on: December 10, 2020, 08:17:43 PM »
Tastes like failed quarterback

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   We’ve teamed up with @Kaepernick7! Introducing Change the Whirled Non-Dairy, the flavor that's supporting the fight to dismantle systems of oppression and empower Black and Brown people. Coming to freezers in 2021! Learn more: https://t.co/7c0Se2vut4 pic.twitter.com/LY90ObEwCj

    — Ben & Jerry's (@benandjerrys) December 10, 2020

Well, 2020 receives its official ice cream as Ben & Jerry’s announces it will create a Colin Kaepernick flavor
https://twitchy.com/brads-313037/2020/12/10/well-2020-receives-its-official-ice-cream-as-ben-jerrys-announces-it-will-create-a-colin-kaepernick-flavor/

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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2020, 08:24:16 PM »
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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2020, 10:11:44 PM »


Tastes like failure and insanity.
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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2020, 10:13:00 PM »
Fake ice cream
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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2020, 10:23:38 PM »
Yet another example of the left picking shitty heroes.
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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2020, 10:58:08 PM »
Aldi sells pints of super-premium ice cream in flavors that look suspiciously like Ben and Jerry's for half the price, and no politics.  Just a few flavors, though.  I get the cherry one with chocolate swirls occasionally.  I can't remember what it's called (not Cherry Garcia)
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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2020, 11:00:02 PM »
I'm just glad there's finally a flavor of ice cream that fights the all-pervasive white supremacy found in all other ice creams.
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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2020, 08:57:49 AM »
This means that once the fake ice "cream" languishes in freezers for months on end, with nobody choosing to pay for it, we will have to listen to Kaepernick blame everyone other than himself for the poor sales.
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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2020, 09:01:02 AM »
I gave up on them years ago when they came out in favor of unilaterally releasing a cop killer from jail.

Not retrying him, releasing him.
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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2020, 09:07:27 AM »
I gave up on them years ago when they came out in favor of unilaterally releasing a cop killer from jail.

Not retrying him, releasing him.

Yeah, this company is led by, and populated by, idiots. If they were the only ice cream maker in the US and I absolutely needed ice cream, I'd still boycott them and just...

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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2020, 10:15:31 AM »
Aren't the titular Ben and Jerry long gone? I thought I read the company was acquired years ago.
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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2020, 10:22:17 AM »
Yeah, this company is led by, and populated by, idiots. If they were the only ice cream maker in the US and I absolutely needed ice cream, I'd still boycott them and just...



Somebody has a photo of an APS contingent sitting around the campsite taking turns cranking the ice cream bucket here in Illinois at a meet up. Must have been ten years ago or so.
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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2020, 10:32:43 AM »
Aren't the titular Ben and Jerry long gone? I thought I read the company was acquired years ago.

Yeah, IIRC Unilever picked them up. Not sure, though, but they may still be involved on the board or whatever, but even if they're not the corporate owner has maintained B&J's "corporate wokeness..."
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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2020, 12:15:12 PM »
Yet another example of the left picking shitty heroes.
How does the left pick their heroes?  Nike never stopped paying the guy which allowed him to play politics rather than shut up and try to get on an NFL team years ago.  IMO, the elitists and media picked him and the lemming leftists followed along.
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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2023, 08:07:14 AM »
Happy 4th of July from Ben & Jerry's

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Ben & Jerry’s has called on the US to return “stolen Indigenous land” in a bold Fourth of July message.

Taking to social media, the ice cream company divided fans over its Independence Day post, tweeting, “The United States was founded on stolen indigenous land. This Fourth of July, let’s commit to returning it.”

In a similar message on its website, the company argued that July 4 festivities and celebrations can “distract from an essential truth about this nation’s birth.”

Ben & Jerry’s proposed to “start with Mount Rushmore,” writing, “What is the meaning of Independence Day for those whose land this country stole, those who were murdered and forced with brutal violence onto reservations, those who were pushed from their holy places and denied their freedom.”
Ben & Jerry’s claims ‘US exists on stolen Indigenous land,’ on July 4th, outcry ensues: ‘Make them Bud Light again’
https://nypost.com/2023/07/05/ben-jerrys-claims-us-exists-on-stolen-indigenous-land-on-july-4th-outcry-ensues/
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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2023, 08:47:36 AM »
Happy 4th of July from Ben & Jerry's
 Ben & Jerry’s claims ‘US exists on stolen Indigenous land,’ on July 4th, outcry ensues: ‘Make them Bud Light again’
https://nypost.com/2023/07/05/ben-jerrys-claims-us-exists-on-stolen-indigenous-land-on-july-4th-outcry-ensues/

Well, it's true, land was taken from the indigenous folks. Not like the early migrants from Europe bought the land from the native.
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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2023, 08:51:12 AM »
Well, it's true, land was taken from the indigenous folks. Not like the early migrants from Europe bought the land from the native.

You giving it back? Ship sailed on that a long time ago.
And who did they take it from is a question they never ask.
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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2023, 08:51:50 AM »
Well, it's true, land was taken from the indigenous folks. Not like the early migrants from Europe bought the land from the native.

Taken, not stolen. As has been the case the world over, throughout history. The injuns took land as well.

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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2023, 09:10:30 AM »
Well, it's true, land was taken from the indigenous folks. Not like the early migrants from Europe bought the land from the native.

That's arguable.

he population density of North America was much lower in the 17th century.  Lots of the first colonies were established on land no one was activly using, and 17th Century Native American views on land ownership were very different from what they are now.

It should also be noted that many times over the course of the establishment of the colonies, the Brits attempted to buy the land they were settling from the locals as they settled.  Translation issues and differeing views on "ownership" hampered this, but clear effort was made.

Certainly, later in the expansion of the US we just took land as we found it.

We also fought and won wars to conquer land (not just with Native Americans). In the historical context it's lying to call conquered land wo in a war "stolen".  It's not ideal for the losers, but it is the way the world works, and by world I mean the whole world animals kingdom included.  You only keep territory you can hold against conquest.

So while the "Stolen" soundbite is catchy, it's only partially true, and mostly historical revisionism and wishful thinking.

Also Ben and Jerry's is overpriced mediocore ice cream. 

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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2023, 09:27:15 AM »
I'm sure that Unilever will be turning over Ben and Jerry's Vermont factory to the Mohicans, and whatever other real estate they own to the relevant tribes.

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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2023, 09:53:49 AM »
Just another product (one of many) that I don't buy anyway which I'd like to boycott . . .
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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2023, 11:11:42 AM »
You giving it back? Ship sailed on that a long time ago.
And who did they take it from is a question they never ask.
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Yep.  You can find instances of it in the Old Testament. 

And renaming by the winners has always been a thing too.

From the biblical book of Judges, the account of "how the Danites got their priest":

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But the people of Dan took what Micah had made, and the priest who belonged to him, and they came to Laish, to a people quiet and unsuspecting, and struck them with the edge of the sword and burned the city with fire. And there was no deliverer because it was far from Sidon, and they had no dealings with anyone. It was in the valley that belongs to Beth-rehob. Then they rebuilt the city and lived in it. And they named the city Dan, after the name of Dan their ancestor, who was born to Israel; but the name of the city was Laish at the first. And the people of Dan set up the carved image for themselves, and Jonathan the son of Gershom, son of Moses, and his sons were priests to the tribe of the Danites until the day of the captivity of the land. So they set up Micah’s carved image that he made, as long as the house of God was at Shiloh.

(My understanding is they actually settled outside the area God allotted to the twelve tribes, and the author seems to be making a special effort to point out that it was a dick move by them.)
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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2023, 05:38:05 PM »
That's arguable.

he population density of North America was much lower in the 17th century.  Lots of the first colonies were established on land no one was activly using, and 17th Century Native American views on land ownership were very different from what they are now.

It should also be noted that many times over the course of the establishment of the colonies, the Brits attempted to buy the land they were settling from the locals as they settled.  Translation issues and differeing views on "ownership" hampered this, but clear effort was made.

Certainly, later in the expansion of the US we just took land as we found it.

We also fought and won wars to conquer land (not just with Native Americans). In the historical context it's lying to call conquered land wo in a war "stolen".  It's not ideal for the losers, but it is the way the world works, and by world I mean the whole world animals kingdom included.  You only keep territory you can hold against conquest.

So while the "Stolen" soundbite is catchy, it's only partially true, and mostly historical revisionism and wishful thinking.

Here is theft with repartitions (refused by the Lakota nations because they wanted their land back, that was in a treaty)

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/1868-two-nations-made-treaty-us-broke-it-and-plains-indian-tribes-are-still-seeking-justice-180970741/

Then we have the theft of native children and taken to orphanages or adopted out.

https://www.lakotatimes.com/articles/1960s-native-children-adopted-by-thousands/

Also have native children forced into schools, beaten if they speak their native tongue or wear native dress.

https://boardingschoolhealing.org/education/us-indian-boarding-school-history/

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Also Ben and Jerry's is overpriced mediocore ice cream.

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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2023, 05:51:31 PM »
To take, means to possess something that is available to you, like taking a cookie from a tray at work in the break room.

To steal, means to possess something that doesn't belong to you or is not available to you.
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Re: As if I needed another reason to never buy Ben & Jerry's
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2023, 06:26:35 PM »
You giving it back? Ship sailed on that a long time ago.
And who did they take it from is a question they never ask.
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Giving it back would involve the current property owner being compensated by the entity that took the land. On my abstract the first owner is the US government. So, the US Government would have to compensate the current owner (at fair market value) if the land is given back or compensate the indigenous nation who possess it first. Where my house it, it would be the Ho-Chunk nation.
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