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TV is on the fritz...
« on: November 05, 2007, 02:04:07 AM »
RCA "Entertainment Series". We only bought it  three years ago tops.  angry

Makes some kind of wired whirring noise with no picture, no sound. Has been shutting itself off for a while now, never thought it was an issue but it got worse lately and now, no love at all!  sad   laugh

I figure I have to buy another one. Paying to have it fixed seems stupid. Anyone want to suggest a medium range priced TV that maybe WON'T crap out on me in three years? Friggin junk they sell today really ticks me off. That's why I still drive a GD 1990 Acclaim. I'm afraid to buy anything new cause you don't know what you're getting. The wife's 2005 Monte just had a wheel bearing done. What kind of crap is that? $27,000 car and the wheel bearings don't make it 3 years? Arrrgghhh...

To the Airdyne, friggin thing better not crap out on me...  laugh



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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2007, 02:30:29 AM »
If you're buying a new TV, make sure you get one that is HD.  The way things are going, SD won't be viable much longer.  SD is being dropped from "Over the air" broadcasts in 2008, I expect cable, satellite, and other providers to follow suit.

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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2007, 03:34:15 AM »
Vizio is actually a highly rated brand of LCD, they're coming up as a challenger to the big names.

I like JVC as well. I do NOT like Sony. They're living on their name now, and I've had more Sony crap fail than any other brand.

Do not buy Best Buy, etc..."house brand", whatever it is. Junk.

Also, "LG" is relabeled Goldstar. Enough said.


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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2007, 04:40:42 AM »
You might want to have it diagnosed before chucking it.  My one TV started acting up four years after I got it, finally would NOT turn on.  Had it diagnosed as a couple of loose chips.  That was fixed and the thing has been rock solid for the past 13 years.

Not sure of the innner working, its some Sear's brand that was given as a wedding gift.  Lasted FAR longer than the entire relationship did. LOL

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The wife's 2005 Monte just had a wheel bearing done. What kind of crap is that? $27,000 car and the wheel bearings don't make it 3 years? Arrrgghhh...

I think some Montes are cursed.  I was forever having to redo wheel bearings on the '70 Monte I had in College, and the ones in my '72 are due for the 2nd time in six years.
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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2007, 05:00:34 AM »
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SD is being dropped from "Over the air" broadcasts in 2008...
Actually, February 2009 is the latest word.  That said, it may not be worth fixing given that you will only get another year and few months out of it.  Unless you buy an HD to SD downconverter box with the subsidized coupons .gov will be giving everyone.

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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2007, 05:04:21 AM »
Are there even "repairmen" anymore? AFAIK, it costs more to fix a TV than to toss it and buy a new one.

Also, make sure, as others said, you get digital, or you're going to be watching static in a few years. And go LCD, they're cheap, and they use much less power.

NO PLASMA. Plasma's color fades in a few years...little secret, and why they're cheaper now.
They also use up to three times more power than a tube TV.

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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2007, 05:11:35 AM »
I got my HD over the summer. A Toshiba LCD. Great picture.

Best Buy had 3 years credit same as cash. I'm not going to pass that up.
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2007, 05:21:32 AM »
Yup, that's what I'm thinking, it'll cost damn near as much to fix as buy a new one. And I have no idea where to start looking for a repairman. But I'll probably call around anyways. Nice on the HD. Now the people will be forced to buy new TVs or some converter. Too bad if you're poor or downtrodden. The conspiracy continues. Will it ever end? What about the children? Can't we just think of the children for a moment? FREE THE PEOPLE I SAY!! FREEEE THE PEOPLE!!

I'll be ok, I need coffee I think.

Thanks for the input, I knew I was asking at the right place.  grin
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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2007, 05:27:28 AM »
Most of the appliance superstores like Best Buy or Circuit City normally have repair services associated with them.

The tuner went out on my ex's old RCA 21" not long after we moved to DC. Got it fixed at a local Circuit City. About $100, IIRC.
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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2007, 05:37:02 AM »
I bought a 1080i rear projection *tube* TV from HHGregg several months ago. Too bad you can hardly find them anymore... but it's not wise to buy a projection unit otherwise. CRTs in those things last a decade or longer, the bulbs in the other styles only last a few years. If they start making LED fired units though, they'll be a hot ticket.

Best advice is go look before you buy, and pick up one of the tuning DVD packs on ebay that come with the color filters. Avoid plasma, avoid RPTV. Don't worry about 1080p, 1080i is just fine and dandy.

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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2007, 05:39:09 AM »
=Best advice is go look before you buy, and pick up one of the tuning DVD packs on ebay that come with the color filters. Avoid plasma, avoid RPTV. Don't worry about 1080p, 1080i is just fine and dandy.

Unless you want a PS3. Apparently it looks like crap in 1080i, and can only be downgraded.

Otherwise, most HD networks on cable broadcast in 1080i.

Do be sure whatever you get has an HDMI input, and do not ever buy the cable from the store.

HDMI cable, gold:

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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2007, 05:46:51 AM »
I bought a 27" Philips TV from Highland Superstores about 13 or 14 years ago. It had the BEST picture of any TV in the lineup at the time. Unfortunately, the tuner crapped out just after the warranty expired, cost me $90 to get it fixed.

Now the tuner crapped out again.  angry

Rather than get it fixed, I'm just using an old VCR's tuner instead, routed through the S-video input. Picture is still good, and I can put up with the inconvenience until I get a new TV. (A 32" flat panel will fit in that space . . . )

FWIW, many years ago, we had an RCA console TV . . . problem after problem after problem - a real lemon. Soured us on RCA.
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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2007, 06:04:38 AM »
Are there even "repairmen" anymore? AFAIK, it costs more to fix a TV than to toss it and buy a new one.

Also, make sure, as others said, you get digital, or you're going to be watching static in a few years. And go LCD, they're cheap, and they use much less power.

NO PLASMA. Plasma's color fades in a few years...little secret, and why they're cheaper now.
They also use up to three times more power than a tube TV.

And they can cause severe amateur radio interference because they exceed permissible emissions, but that's probably a bonus in some people's eyes.

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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2007, 06:13:36 AM »
I think we got the thing at Best Buy. Guess I'll start there and see which way the wind blows. Buying a TV sure has changed. I'm from the days when the rotating antenna was all the rage.  You could go pretty far with a good set of rabbit ears too... laugh

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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2007, 06:17:27 AM »
You still can.  I lived for 3yrs with rabbit ears when I was closer to the transmitting towers.  After moving further out, I had to put an antenna in the attic, but I still got the local stations pretty clearly that way. 

I "upgraded" to satellite so I could get channels such as History, Discovery, SciFi, and Food Network.  Otherwise, I watch the same stuff I got via OTA antennas.

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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2007, 06:39:37 AM »
Are there even "repairmen" anymore? AFAIK, it costs more to fix a TV than to toss it and buy a new one.

Also, make sure, as others said, you get digital, or you're going to be watching static in a few years. And go LCD, they're cheap, and they use much less power.

NO PLASMA. Plasma's color fades in a few years...little secret, and why they're cheaper now.
They also use up to three times more power than a tube TV.

And they can cause severe amateur radio interference because they exceed permissible emissions, but that's probably a bonus in some people's eyes.

Chris

Someone in CA had the authorities come to their door because their plasma TV had malfunctioned and was broadcasting on the frequency of an ELT.  grin

Also, many areas have OTA HD now, for free. And what you use to receive it is an old-fashioned aerial.

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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2007, 06:43:21 AM »
As for power consumption...

My "stack" with stuff "turned off" draws 0.6 amps.

With the 30" TV and a 135wpc high current amp on, with the volume at a nice comfy level, I'm 1.5-1.6 amps.

It's a behemoth of a CRT television.
 
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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2007, 06:47:20 AM »
Also, many areas have OTA HD now, for free. And what you use to receive it is an old-fashioned aerial.

Yup.  A friend of mine, who was an HD early adopter, used the aerial until his Sat service offered it via the dish.  It never worked well for him because he refused to mount the antenna outside and couldn't pick up HD transmissions worth a darn with it mounted inside.  I never bothered because I don't have an HD capable set yet.  When I finally get around to getting an HD set, I'll get the service via Verizon FIOS (if available by then) or Dish Network (our current provider).

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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2007, 06:53:04 AM »
Also, if you really want to play around, you can get an old Primestar dish, which apparently has the right sort of separate feed signals, (vertical and horizontal polarity) and hook it up to a decoder to watch HD and foreign programming from "free to air" satellites that are rebroadcasting globally to local distributors. (bonus, you get to watch the people on the set still talking in the blocks where the local affiliate would insert commercials) An activated tuner for the now-gone VOOM service will also let you watch free HD from free-to-broadcast satellites if you hook it to a Primestar dish.

There's entire websites out there that give the aiming coordinates for the various satellites, as well as the list of channels domestic and international that each is sending down.

I know of someone who has that sort of setup...they get the wacky Japanese gameshows live from Tokyo. They're hilarious, if...um....strange.  cheesy

This one is sheer awesomeness...Why can't US game shows be like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOR937PBvOc

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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2007, 09:26:07 AM »
Yea, I was stsioned on and off in Japan, I miss the game shows. I don't know what the hell they're talking about but I still laugh...  laugh

What happens to the ota signal after 2009? Lost as well or can you still pick up with an antenna?
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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2007, 09:30:44 AM »
Sorry but I have to disagree with most of what Manedwolf said here. Everything I have seen made by Vizio has been barely acceptable to just plain junk. Look at all those cheapo LCD TVs they sell with 700:1, 1200:1 and 1600:1 contrast ratios. Yuck. They look like garbage. LG televisions are far superior to anything Vizio has put out (not that I think LG is that great). Also, the fading of colors on plasma TVs is VERY overrated, as is burn-in. And that is not why they are so cheap now. Plasmas are just fine for most uses but I would opt for a new higher end 1080p LCD set that's quick and has a good contrast ratio. I would much rather have a good plasma than a low end LCD. The PS3 issues were only on older 1080i sets that have a native resolution of 1080i and don't have the 720p. If your tv can't do 720p, it sends a 480p signal instead which of course does not look as good. That was Sony's problem.

 As far as broadcast goes, while you aren't seeing 1080p at the moment, that is the way things are headed. Sure a 1080i TV still looks great but with the price of 1080p sets coming down, why bother? With the high def movie formats, ps3, and other dvd players that can at least upconvert to 1080p...along with broadcasts going to 1080p in the future why would you not want a 1080p set? 1080p really is the standard now. I realllllly dislike Sony as a company and I will never buy another Sony product but I have to admit that their LCDs like the XBR do look great.

Just don't buy a TV from walmart without being really careful. The ones they sell are usually made just for them to sell and are mostly made to far lower specs than the ones sold elsewhere.

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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2007, 09:46:52 AM »
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Everything I have seen made by Vizio has been barely acceptable to just plain junk. Look at all those cheapo LCD TVs they sell with 700:1, 1200:1 and 1600:1 contrast ratios. Yuck. They look like garbage.

Like many companies, they have several levels. You're looking at the for-the-masses models at your local big box store, likely. They make some that are quite good, and cost a bit more.

And LG is Goldstar. Goldstar is still Goldstar, buttons that fall off, etc.
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I would much rather have a good plasma than a low end LCD.

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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2007, 09:48:12 AM »
Hogwash.

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NO PLASMA. Plasma's color fades in a few years...little secret, and why they're cheaper now.

What orifice did you pull that info from, Manedwolf?

When doing my homework for my 42" Hitachi plasma, I learned that plasma fading is no worse than a standard CRT television - without the dead pixel, latency, black level, backlight burnout, or viewing angle problems of LCD. 

Of course, once you get past 60,000 hrs on the plasma, you're going to notice picture degradation.  At that time, you should really get off the sofa and go outside - that's 6.85 years of non-stop television you just watched, and your posterior should be as big as the sofa.  In other terms, the plasma would have to be on for 5 hours a day for 27 years before it needs to be replaced.  By then the successor to 1080P will be out, and the race to keep up with the Jones will begin anew.

Plasmas used to have a shorter lifespan - up to about 2 or 3 years ago.  Advancement in technology's a wonderful thing, ain't it?   rolleyes

As for kilowatt consumption, they can indeed draw some juice.  My local power cooperative did a home energy audit, and showed me how to disable the "instant on" feature of my Hitachi.  That made a big difference, and I have to wait all of about 3 seconds for the TV to turn on after you hear the internal relay activate from the remote control signal...
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Re: TV is on the fritz...
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2007, 09:52:20 AM »
Hogwash.

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NO PLASMA. Plasma's color fades in a few years...little secret, and why they're cheaper now.

What orifice did you pull that info from, Manedwolf?

Consumer Reports. Does being rude and condescending with feigned superiority just come naturally to you, or is it some sort of compensation issue? Seriously. You're rude.


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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2007, 09:56:34 AM »
Rude?  You're more than welcome to report me to the moderators.  I'd suggest Mike Irwin to start with. 

I did the same Consumer Reports bit, shopped around a LOT (Something one does when plunking down $1400 for a new television), talked to plasma repairmen at the local American TV, and grilled fellow owners of said televisions, as well as owners of LCD and DLP units. Having owned several LCD monitors myself, and working as a Dish Network installer for a while, I got to see what did and didn't work in hundreds of people's homes.  Not many regrets from the Plasma and DLP folks, btw.  There were more than a few disappointed LCD owners, though.
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