NYC going all Electric

[BobR]

Sometimes the sheer idiocy of those in charge just boggles the mind.

Outgoing wokester de Blassio will sign a bill put forth by the New York City Council that will ban gas (anything) in new buildings and buildings undergoing gut renovations in NYC.

I guess they checked the grid to make sure it will handle the increased power draw without upgrades? (probably not)

Maybe they calculated how much more CO2 spewing will occur in order to keep those coal fired plants going to feed in more power? (probably not)

Everything will get converted to electric, then they will realize solar and wind power can't generate enough electricity. When that happens they will cry for federal funding at the expense of states that have leadership with common sense.

de Blassio seems to be trying to push through all the stuff he can before being shown the door.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/in-significant-climate-change-action-new-york-city-bans-new-gas-hookups-173727046.html


bob

[Jim147]

Yeah I laughed at that this morning.

How many new nuke plants they have going?

[Nick1911]

Yeah I laughed at that this morning.

How many new nuke plants they have going?

One of the midwestern or western states would do well to create a regulatory environment where modern, standardized nuclear plants could be put in economically.  Any state that did so would likely become quite wealthy selling electricity to the coasts in the coming decades.

[charby]

One of the midwestern or western states would do well to create a regulatory environment where modern, standardized nuclear plants could be put in economically.  Any state that did so would likely become quite wealthy selling electricity to the coasts in the coming decades.

That is happening with coal fired plants in WY and NE, they are close to the Powder River Basin coal mines.

[230RN]

Seems like the more I hear Leftist outlandish plans and ideas, the more convinced I become that they're out to create huge insoluble problems so that they can take over when the population is disgusted with the resulting crappy status quo and seeks a new regime.

It almost sounds like some kind of grand plan, doesn't it?

Nah, that's crazy talk.  I take it all back.

[MillCreek]

One of the midwestern or western states would do well to create a regulatory environment where modern, standardized nuclear plants could be put in economically.  Any state that did so would likely become quite wealthy selling electricity to the coasts in the coming decades.

I think this is the exact reason why Terra Power is building their experimental reactor in Wyoming.

[MikeB]

I think this is the exact reason why Terra Power is building their experimental reactor in Wyoming.

While I’m all for Nuclear energy. Terra Power is a perfect example of wealth transfer through government to already wealthy people. Supposedly the US government is paying half of the 4 Billion dollars to finance the reactor. The beneficiaries in the end are Bill Gates and Warren Buffett.

[PEfarmer]

This is one of the subjects that has me teetering more from believing that "they" are stupid to "they" are evil.  Pretty obvious that there's a shortage of power, coal decomissionings, nuke decomminssionings, hydropower dam removals, restrictions on construction of gas power plants.  So let's short power, and then add a bunch of consumption (electric car charging, electric truck charging, electric only houses.  So what then happens?  Citizens (read: subjects) unable to travel, cook, or stay warm absent electricity, which is short, and comes in via a "smart" meter which "they" can disconnect at will if one doesn't bend  the knee.  I hate being a conspiracy theorist, but come on!

[230RN]

^ You have to stop thinking those paranoid thoughts.

They are only thinking of the Communal Good.

[HankB]

One of the midwestern or western states would do well to create a regulatory environment where modern, standardized nuclear plants could be put in economically.  Any state that did so would likely become quite wealthy selling electricity to the coasts in the coming decades.

Unless the woke coastal states muster enough votes in Congress to require the sane midwestern or western states that planned for the future to sell power to them at a loss . . .

[De Selby]

This is one of the subjects that has me teetering more from believing that "they" are stupid to "they" are evil.  Pretty obvious that there's a shortage of power, coal decomissionings, nuke decomminssionings, hydropower dam removals, restrictions on construction of gas power plants.  So let's short power, and then add a bunch of consumption (electric car charging, electric truck charging, electric only houses.  So what then happens?  Citizens (read: subjects) unable to travel, cook, or stay warm absent electricity, which is short, and comes in via a "smart" meter which "they" can disconnect at will if one doesn't bend  the knee.  I hate being a conspiracy theorist, but come on!

It’s a good thing modern oil economies are so individualised and decentralised! I mean can you imagine what America would look like, and how rigged wealth growth would be, if the oil economy were centrally controlled by large corporations that captured government institutions?

If we’d allowed that to happen, I’d bet American real wage growth would be stagnant, inflation would be insanely high, and the only beneficiaries of growth would be massive financial institutions backed by relationships with the oil that controls all modern energy supply.

Renewables like solar on your house are going to enslave you! Stay with independent oil, they’ll never use that to bleed you dry!

[K Frame]

Don't you cis-normal gay hating *expletive deleted*it lords know that if they can make 1 millionaire pay his fair share in taxes that they can upgrade the entire grid?

Idiots!

 

NYC -- California on the Hudson.

[WLJ]

Just hook a generator to AOC's mouth

[K Frame]

Talk about sour power...

[Bogie]

After I am elected, I'll have the Navy run reactors located at every major body of water.

[230RN]

That works pretty good in at least keeping local emergency services working. Done with subs, aircraft carriers, LSTs, fired boilers, nuclear boilers.

Search engine term: <ship to shore power>

MIT has a whole online course on the subject.

Limitation:  Must be near navigable waters and I doubt ships could provide enough power for the whole grid.

Oh, and I bet those kWhrs are expensive as hell, but since when has the goobermink cared about that?  No problem, just raise the debt limit and print more paper bills, easy peasy, and you can apologize to your children and grandchildren for not putting a stop to that.

What was that excuse for failed governmental systems?? ? ? ?  Oh, yeah: "They didn't put the right people in power."

Ayup.

Terry, 230RN

[RoadKingLarry]

After I am elected, I'll have the Navy run reactors located at every major body of water.

Admiral Rickover approves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyman_G._Rickover

That works pretty good in at least keeping local emergency services working. Done with subs, aircraft carriers, LSTs, fired boilers, nuclear boilers.

Limitation:  Must be near navigable waters and I doubt ships could provide enough power for the whole grid.

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Wouldn't need to be a ship borne reactor. A reactor plant off of a sub could almost be transported on a truck. TGs on the next load. Just need to provide for the cooling water at the site. and run the wires to hook it up.

[MechAg94]

It’s a good thing modern oil economies are so individualised and decentralised! I mean can you imagine what America would look like, and how rigged wealth growth would be, if the oil economy were centrally controlled by large corporations that captured government institutions?

If we’d allowed that to happen, I’d bet American real wage growth would be stagnant, inflation would be insanely high, and the only beneficiaries of growth would be massive financial institutions backed by relationships with the oil that controls all modern energy supply.

Renewables like solar on your house are going to enslave you! Stay with independent oil, they’ll never use that to bleed you dry!

Except all the things you mention are being pushed by BigGovt but against oil and gas and for solar and wind.  The BigGov limits on oil exploration, drilling, and production generally don't hurt the big companies, they hurt the smaller companies that do a lot of jobs supporting and supplying that activity.   When Obama was trying to shut down off shore oil exploration on the Gulf Coast, there were a ton of small businesses supporting that industry in Louisiana that were hurt badly. 

[MechAg94]

This is one of the subjects that has me teetering more from believing that "they" are stupid to "they" are evil.  Pretty obvious that there's a shortage of power, coal decomissionings, nuke decomminssionings, hydropower dam removals, restrictions on construction of gas power plants.  So let's short power, and then add a bunch of consumption (electric car charging, electric truck charging, electric only houses.  So what then happens?  Citizens (read: subjects) unable to travel, cook, or stay warm absent electricity, which is short, and comes in via a "smart" meter which "they" can disconnect at will if one doesn't bend  the knee.  I hate being a conspiracy theorist, but come on!

Since they are politicians, I lean toward extremely short term thinking and likely someone doing a favor for the outgoing mayor.  He won't be around to see the consequences anyway. 

[De Selby]

Except all the things you mention are being pushed by BigGovt but against oil and gas and for solar and wind.  The BigGov limits on oil exploration, drilling, and production generally don't hurt the big companies, they hurt the smaller companies that do a lot of jobs supporting and supplying that activity.   When Obama was trying to shut down off shore oil exploration on the Gulf Coast, there were a ton of small businesses supporting that industry in Louisiana that were hurt badly.

It’s almost as if Big oil companies have a lock on policy, and use that to do exactly what PEfarmer is afraid will happen with electricity supply.

[230RN]

MechAg94 said,

"Since they are politicians, I lean toward extremely short term thinking and likely someone doing a favor for the outgoing mayor.  He won't be around to see the consequences anyway."

To me, that "short term thinking" is a direct long-term result of politicians constantly seeking re-election, re-election, re-election.

Meaning they have to keep servicing the short-term gimme gimme gimme thinking of their constituents to get re-elected  instead of using wisdom and long-term thinking.

Term limitations !

Terry, 230RN

[HankB]

Considering the actions of various politicians - especially over the last few years - perhaps it's time to update Hanlon's Razor:

Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice.

[kgbsquirrel]

Considering the actions of various politicians - especially over the last few years - perhaps it's time to update Hanlon's Razor:

Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice corruption.

[MechAg94]

It’s almost as if Big oil companies have a lock on policy, and use that to do exactly what PEfarmer is afraid will happen with electricity supply.

I started out intending to say that the big oil companies make more money when the govt gets out of the way.  ....and so do a lot of other people. 

However, that doesn't mean that the executives running those companies actually have that as their priority.