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Re: Associated Press verifies Missouri Militia/Terrorist Group report
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2009, 04:27:56 PM »
It's from "Watchmen" (the graphic novel, they changed the quote for the movie).

"...all the whores and politicians" became "the whole world".
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Re: Associated Press verifies Missouri Militia/Terrorist Group report
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2009, 04:43:11 PM »
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"...all the whores and politicians" became "the whole world".

Sadly enough its probably an appropriate change.
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Re: Associated Press verifies Missouri Militia/Terrorist Group report
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2009, 04:44:58 PM »
That's news to me.  ???  Not sayin' it ain't true, but I've just never seen or heard of that attitude anywhere in the state.  Then again, I don't know any Libertarians (locally) and I don't rock bumper stickers anymore.

And here my state got such bad ratings from the Brady Campaign, and such a good rating from that "Which states are free-est" list a little while ago.   =)

I'm guessing that there's one high-ranked individual within the MO.gov chain of command that has a bug up their arse about militias and "right-wing terrah", and an institutional culture of appeasing that person has grown up around them. Then you get these make-work briefings like this to patronize them. Perhaps it's someone on who the neighboring OKC bombing made a big impression. And despite Tim McVeighs quasi lone-wolf status, they never let go of the attempt to paint the entire RKBA/Right/Libertarian/Militia/Constitutional community with the OKC brush because it fits neatly with their particular world view.

That's my guess at any rate, I'd lay $100 on being right.  =)

Honestly, I'm more puzzled about this report/briefing than I am insulted. The MSM is a pretty good barometer of any untwoard right-wing activity here in the U.S. Simply because they're still very eager to find any example of "domestic terror" they can, to help prop up their own biased view that "Terror isn't just an Islamist problem." etc. And their natural desire to downplay as best that they can that Western Civilization is indeed in an ill-defined, yet protracted struggle for well.... something.
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Re: Associated Press verifies Missouri Militia/Terrorist Group report
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Re: Associated Press verifies Missouri Militia/Terrorist Group report
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2009, 10:17:08 AM »
That would be the remote control. 

No... I think it's the freedom to struggle for the remote control.  :lol:
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Re: Associated Press verifies Missouri Militia/Terrorist Group report
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2009, 12:05:05 PM »
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It's from "Watchmen" (the graphic novel, they changed the quote for the movie).

"...all the whores and politicians" became "the whole world".

Hey, no need to put whores in the same category as politicians, that is just irresponsible and mean.  (to the whores)



Wait, how did this thread come to this?

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Re: Associated Press verifies Missouri Militia/Terrorist Group report
« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2009, 03:20:00 PM »
if I had a choice as to who to share a cell with, I would take a working girl over a politician anyday.
BTW, the story is now on drudge.
http://www.kansascity.com/116/story/1086524.html
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Re: Associated Press verifies Missouri Militia/Terrorist Group report
« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2009, 11:13:40 PM »
Rorschach’s Journal: October 12th 1985. Dog carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout ‘Save us!’ And I’ll whisper ‘no’.

Great movie.  Ozmandius is a NWO poster child, though.
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So libertarians Are a Threat to Homeland Security
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According to the following libertarians and a host of other are threats
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The Radical Polarization of Law Enforcement    Print

by Patrick Wood, Editor
March 18, 2009

Patriots, Christians and concerned citizens are increasingly in the cross hairs of the U.S. intelligence community, and battle lines are being quietly drawn that could soon pit our own law enforcement and military forces against us.

A February 20 report entitled "The Modern Militia Movement" was issued by the Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) that paints mainstream patriotic Americans as dangerous threats to law enforcement and to the country. Operating under the Missouri State Highway Patrol, the MIAC is listed as a Fusion Center that was established in cooperation with the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Justice.

Because authenticity of the report was questioned by some, this writer contacted Missouri state Representative Jim Guest (R-King City) who had personally verified that the report had indeed been issued. Rep. Guest is chairman of the Personal Privacy Committee and is a prominent leader in the national Blowback against the Real ID Act of 2005 that requires states to issue uniform driver's licenses containing personal biometric data. (See Guest warns against Big Brother, Real ID)

Rep. Guest stated that he was "shocked and outraged" at the report, which clearly paints him and many other elected state leaders, as a potential threats to law enforcement.

Instead of focusing on actual criminal incidents of "home-grown" terrorism, the MAIC report instead lists issues that it believes are common to the threats it perceives. Thus, Americans involved with the following issues are highly suspect:

    -- "Ammunition Accountability Act" - requiring each bullet to to be serialized and registered to the purchaser.

    -- "Anticipation of the economic collapse of the US Government" - Prominent scholars and economists are openly debating the bankruptcy and insolvency of the United States government.

    -- "Possible Constitutional Convention (Con Con)" - 32 states have called for a Constitutional Convention to force Congress and the Executive Branch into a balanced budget, but many are concerned that if called, Con Con would be taken over by hostile interests who would introduce Amendments that are harmful to national Sovereignty.

    -- "North American Union" - MIAC states that "Conspiracy theorists claim that this union would link Canada, the United States, and Mexico. The NAU would unify its monetary system and trade the dollar for the AMERO. Associated with this theory is concern over a NAFTA Superhighway, which would Fast Track trade between the three nations. There is additional concern that the NAU would open up the border causing security risks and free movement for immigrants."

    -- "Universal Service Program" - "Statements made by President Elect Obama and his chief of staff have led extremists to fear the creation of a Civilian Defense Force. This theory requires all citizens between the age of 18 and 25 to be forced to attend three months of mandatory training." (This is exactly what Obama and Rahm Emmanuel have repeatedly stated on national TV, and thus is hardly a theory.)

    -- "Radio Frequency Identification (RFID)" - This includes human implantation, but the larger concern is universal id cards and personal property identification that can be read electronically without the bearer's knowledge.

Citizens who are concerned about the above issues are then lumped into radical ideologies such as Christian Identity, White Nationalists (e.g., neo-Nazi, Skinheads, etc.) and anti-Semites. Tax Resisters and Anti-Immigration advocates are thrown into the same category.

The MIAC report then sternly warns law enforcement personnel,

    "You are the Enemy: The militia subscribes to an antigovernment and NWO mind set, which creates a threat to law enforcement officers. They view the military, National Guard, and law enforcement as a force that will confiscate their firearms and place them in FEMA concentration camps." [Bold emphasis appears in original]

On the last page of the MIAC report, a section listing Political Paraphernalia (flags and symbols) states,

    "Militia members most commonly associate with 3rd party political groups. It is not uncommon for militia members to display Constitutional Party, Campaign for Liberty, or Libertarian material. These members are usually supporters of former Presidential Candidate: Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr.

    Militia members commonly display picture, cartoons, bumper stickers that contain anti-government rhetoric. Most of this material will depict the FRS, IRS, FBI, ATF, CIA, UN, Law Enforcement, and the 'New World Order' in a derogatory manor (sic). Additionally, Racial, anti-immigration, and anti-abortion, material may be displayed by militia members."

What was the ostensible genesis of all these "threats" to law enforcement? The report explains it this way...

    "Academics contend that female and minority empowerment in the 1970s and 1960s caused a blow to white male's sense of empowerment. This, combined with a sense of defeat from the Vietnam War, increased levels of immigration, and unemployment, spawned a paramilitary culture. This caught on in the 1980's with injects such as Tom Clancy novels, Solder of Fortune Magazine, and movies such as Rambo that glorified combat. This culture glorified white males and portrayed them as morally upright heroes who were mentally and physically tough.

    "It was during this timeframe that many individuals and organizations began to concoct conspiracy theories to explain their misfortunes. These theories varied but almost always involved a globalist dictatorship the"New World Order (NWO), which conspired to exploit the working class citizens."

In other words, these "ridiculous NWO theories" were created by psychological deviants who were trying to justify their own self-induced misfortunes.
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For unsuspecting law enforcement personnel, this MIAC training document polarizes unsuspecting officers to fear peaceful, law-abiding citizens and greatly increases the risk of armed confrontation. For instance, a routine traffic stop would be escalated if the officer observes a Ron Paul or Chuck Baldwin bumper sticker on the rear bumper of the car. The mere possession of printed material such as the U.S. Constitution or Bill of Rights would be viewed as subversive, even though most officers are required to take an oath to "defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States" as a condition of their employment.

Additionally, troopers are indoctrinated that all such topics are pure fantasy and without any factual basis. Even if they had their own concerns, they would be ridiculed into accepting the position that all criticism of the New World Order is dangerous to their well being.

The Columbia Daily Tribune (Columbia, Missouri) reports this concern from local resident Tim Neal, who apparently fits the MIAC's "Modern Militia" profile:

    “If a police officer is pulling me over with my family in the car and he sees a bumper sticker on my vehicle that has been specifically identified as one that an extremist would have in their vehicle, the guy is probably going to be pretty apprehensive and not thinking in a rational manner, and this guy’s walking up to my vehicle with a gun.” [see 'Fusion Center' draws fire over assertions]

MIAC is a Fusion Center

As mentioned above, the Missouri Information Analysis Center is one of a network of over 50 Fusion Centers around the country.

According to the National Criminal Intelligence Resource Center (NCIRC), a Fusion Center is "a collaborative effort of two or more agencies that provide resources, expertise, and/or information to the center with the goal of maximizing the ability to detect, prevent, apprehend, and respond to criminal and terrorist activity."

As of 2006, the NCIRC listed 50 Fusion Centers in various states.

Most importantly, the Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security are the driving forces behind Fusion Centers, having published "Fusion Center Guidelines: Developing and Sharing Information and Intelligence in a New World." This report headlines "Fusion" as "Turning Information and Intelligence Into Actionable Knowledge."

Fusion Centers are one of five areas of information sharing under the Information Sharing Environment (ISE) that was established by the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004.

ISE membership includes the Department of Commerce, CIA, Department of Defense, Director of National Intelligence, Department of Energy, FBI, Health and Human Services, Joint Chiefs of Staff, Department of Homeland Security, National Counter-Terrorism Center, Department of Interior, Office of Management and Budget, Department of Justice, Department of State, Department of Transportation and the Department of Treasury.

According to one white paper (on the ISE web site) entitled The Intelligence Fusion Process for State, Local and Tribal Law Enforcement, "The most important output of the intelligence Fusion Center is actionable intelligence. This means that the intelligence produced by the center will drive operational responses and strategic awareness of threats." Accordingly,

    "The heart of good intelligence analysis is to have a diverse array of valid and reliable raw information for analysis. The more robust the raw information, the more accurate the analytic output (i.e., intelligence) will be."

The above mentioned MIAC report, issued by an official Fusion Center, is apparently part of this "diverse array of valid and reliable raw information."

However, ISE's understanding of intelligence is foolish. Any intelligence analyst knows that so-called raw information is treated as garbage until verified from multiple sources to validate accuracy, completeness and freedom from bias. Secondly, analytic output depends upon trained and experienced human reasoning and judgment, not on the "robustness" of the raw information itself.
Where do Fusion Centers get inputs?

According to their own documents, Fusion Centers are "seeded" with ideas for analysis by the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security. Although this is problematic in itself, attention is better directed to the left-wing nonprofit organization, Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).

Upon careful word and theme comparison between the MIAC report and SPLC literature, it is apparent that there is a significant link between the two. Either MIAC received training or training material from SPLC or some of its personnel had some previous exposure to it.

The SPLC aggressively offers training to local, state and federal law enforcement agencies. According to the SPLC web site, "We focus on the history, background, leaders and activities of far-right extremists in the U.S." and states that it "is internationally known for its tolerance education programs, its legal victories against white supremacists and its tracking of hate groups."

Hate crimes are essentially acts of vilification of a victim because of his or her membership in a certain social group, such as racial, religious, sexual orientation, nationality, gender, etc. While hate crimes are wrong under any circumstance, the SPLC sees no conflict in profiling conservative whites, Christians, Constitutionalists, and patriots as being associated with, if not responsible for, hate crimes in America. This is the pot calling the kettle black.

For instance, consider the SPLC statement, "...a basic fact about all three movements: Patriots, white supremacists and anti-abortion militants are all fueled by interpretations of religion."

Aside from the fact that this sweeping generalization is plainly not true, it is mud-slinging at its best: Patriots are lumped in with white supremacists, anti-abortionists are militants, and all are driven by an obviously irrational and fanatical application of religion.

In another SPLC article about a tragic killing in South Carolina, entitled "The Abbeville Horror", the writer goes well beyond just the facts of the story and is careful to sprinkle in words and phrases such as:

    Patriots, tax protestors, sovereign citizens, antigovernment extremists, New World Order paranoia, Disarming U.S. Citizens, hard-line Christian Right, constitutional rights, antigovernment "Patriot" literature, anti-Semitic conspiracy, "Live Free or Die," Ruby Ridge and Waco, Second Amendment, extremist organizing, "closet extremists," paranoid beliefs, "Give me liberty or give me death." [quotes appear in original text]

These are the same kinds of words and themes that are seen in The Modern Militia Movement article, where distinctions between good and bad people are blurred and confused: All are guilty by association, if nothing else.

Should a private organization like SPLC be allowed to provide official training to public-entrusted law enforcement agencies? Most would say, "No." Even if the training was free, the agency should reject influence from the public sector, and even more so if it presents biased and one-sided information that is claimed to be factual.
Conclusion

It is critical to understand that the legitimate law enforcement agencies of cities, counties and states are not adversaries of the people. They are greatly needed for protection against crime and for keeping order in our communities.

They are, however, being methodically seeded with very wrongheaded and dangerous information, the specific intent of which is to polarize law enforcement against peaceful citizens who simply care about the downfall of their country.

This writer interviewed Chuck Baldwin and asked about how he felt when he first saw his good name associated with those who would threaten bodily harm to law enforcement agencies. "Personally, I was stunned," he said, "but my family has taken this very personally as well. This is more than disturbing."

When asked about the possible affect of the report on the Constitution Party, of which he was the 2008 presidential candidate, he replied, "I think it will galvanize people and help them to understand the nature of the battle we are in. Freedom must be defended."

In fact, the MIAC report has created a firestorm all over America. Tens of thousands of protests are being called, written, emailed and faxed to authorities and legislators in Missouri. It would not be surprising to see the report rescinded and an apology given.

Even so, behind-the-scene groups like the SPLC will continue unabated and undeterred in their effort to misinform and disrupt healthy community relations with worthy law enforcement agencies and personnel.

The message to every jurisdiction: Don't let it happen!
Final thought

Locate the Fusion Center in your state and keep a close eye on the information they are releasing. Stay close to as many law enforcement personnel as you can, asking them to keep their eyes open for reports similar to the Missouri report. Petition your state legislators to ban law enforcement training by private organizations such as the Southern Poverty Law Center. 
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Re: So libertarians Are a Threat to Homeland Security
« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2009, 09:31:09 AM »
According to the following libertarians and a host of other are threats

Already being discussed here:

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=18608.0
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Re: Associated Press verifies Missouri Militia/Terrorist Group report
« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2009, 09:44:30 AM »
I wonder what is in the water in Missouri.  First, you have prosecutors using their office (or at least, giving the clear impression they will do so) to "enforce the truth" about Obama.  Now, you have law enforcement using political speech as a profiling method.

The "Show Me" state seems to have a bit of the "We'll Show You" going on right now.

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Re: So libertarians Are a Threat to Homeland Security
« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2009, 12:01:22 PM »
Yup. 

And now it's merged.
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Re: Associated Press verifies Missouri Militia/Terrorist Group report
« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2009, 01:10:20 PM »
IMO This whole thing boils down to:

Politicians have for a very long time been free to do what ever they wish based on a reasonable belief that voters are either stupid or have very short memories.

The Voting public is slowly waking up and starting to become aware of that attitude and they are not happy about it.

Politicians are waking up to the notion that some citizens are not terribly happy with them. From the politician's POV it is important that those citizens be taught that the goobermint is not to be trifled with. What better way to do that than to sic their armed agents on them.

Thus some states are indoctrinating their LEO's with mantras like the one that came out of MO.

Are LEO's to be faulted for willingly absorbing and going along with the mantra? My heart says yes but my brain says no. They're just your every day average Joe Sixpack doing his job the best he can and exhibiting the laudable trait of loyalty to his employer. So he absorbs the training as presented and performs his duties accordingly.

Kind of a conundrum one might say...
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Re: Associated Press verifies Missouri Militia/Terrorist Group report
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2009, 01:30:06 PM »
I wonder what is in the water in Missouri.  First, you have prosecutors using their office (or at least, giving the clear impression they will do so) to "enforce the truth" about Obama.  Now, you have law enforcement using political speech as a profiling method.

The "Show Me" state seems to have a bit of the "We'll Show You" going on right now.

Well, hey, at least Missouri has only produced those two bad things.  Everything else that comes from Missouri is just wonderful.   :angel:
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Re: Associated Press verifies Missouri Militia/Terrorist Group report
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2009, 01:54:22 PM »
Okay, so I hang out with a couple dozen other gunnies, we can all easily shoot our .30(.30-06, .30-30, .308Nato/Winchester, and .338) cal and .22 cals(.22lr, .223. .243) out to 150 yards without a single problem. I've gone with a few to a couple Appleseeds. And we share notes on gun kit builds and working on motorcylces(they let me use their machine shops so long as I share my notes, I'm working up a 6.8 Spc for Yugo M70AB2, got a guys notes who did it with the .243). And we are all pretty much fed up with the democratic party, liberals, anti-2nd Amendment scum. So are we terrorists or just southern good ol'boys who like shoot, build, and be pissed off at idiots.

I'm starting to fear SHTF less and less cause of this garbage, a chance to separate the wheat from the chaff, and maybe get some real men running things again.

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Re: Associated Press verifies Missouri Militia/Terrorist Group report
« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2009, 02:47:04 PM »
This is a serious issue.
SPLC hasn't been elected and probably never could be because they're pretty radical.
Yet they're allowed to influence policy at all levels of govt.
Its like having the KKK run the Negro College Fund because they change their name to "negro college legal fund".
SPLC has dedicated goons at the street level willing to attack people who simply have a different view then they do.
At the Court level they are very well funded from winning a number of lawsuits against numerous people.
They are also good at fundraising because they have gone after real KKK/ nazi types that scare the newyorkers/losageleans.
They don't scare us much ( real KKK/ nazi types) because we know how to shoot back, SPLC is a far left org disguised as a mainstream harmless anti racist group.   (edited to add we APS member of all races/creeds/political beliefs are not afraid of KKK/Nazi & their far left allies SPLC)
 
What their lame idjit supporters fail to realize is that they (SPLC) worship the racist underpinnings of the state!

FACT
Almost all, if not all, gun control in the USA is based on the "Cruikshank decision" which held it was legal for a racist mob
to disarm recently freed slaves/black Civil War vets during reconstruction.
All of the "Cruikshank decision" has been almost totally thrown out except for the guncontrol part.
(I believe) its why we had to fight for incorporation of the Bill Of Rights, all of the first ten , not just the second has been adversely affected by "Cruikshank decision".
SPLC loves gun control and their ignorant idiot supporters think they are fighting racism while filling the prisons with minority & poor people!
Gun control is a racist tool of the fascist, SPLC is for gun control!

They have a lot of power, a lot of money, a lot of fanatic thugs.

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Re: Associated Press verifies Missouri Militia/Terrorist Group report
« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2009, 03:28:26 PM »
I'm working up a 6.8 Spc for Yugo M70AB2, got a guys notes who did it with the .243).

I'd love to see the design notes on that.  Since the .243 is based on a 7.62x51mm, how did that work with a 7.62x39mm receiver?  What magazines would work with that?

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Re: Associated Press verifies Missouri Militia/Terrorist Group report
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2009, 04:28:43 PM »
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They don't scare us much ( real KKK/ nazi types) because we know how to shoot back, SPLC is a far left org disguised as a mainstream liberal harmless anti racist group.

gunsmith, you might want to clarify that statement.  It could easily be misunderstood as you labeling us as "real KKK/Nazi types".  Most would understand what you meant, but some visitors to this site might not.
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Re: Associated Press verifies Missouri Militia/Terrorist Group report
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2009, 04:52:51 PM »
gunsmith, you might want to clarify that statement.  It could easily be misunderstood as you labeling us as "real KKK/Nazi types".  Most would understand what you meant, but some visitors to this site might not.


I tried, any suggestions?
I know what I mean you know what I mean, liberals may not know what I mean because they're dumb brainwashed idjits...and I'm not the most articulate communicator either, any suggestions taken.
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Re: Associated Press verifies Missouri Militia/Terrorist Group report
« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2009, 04:56:31 PM »
"We aren't afraid of the real KKK types"
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Re: Associated Press verifies Missouri Militia/Terrorist Group report
« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2009, 05:04:18 PM »
"Those real KKK/nazi types types don't scare us much..."
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Re: Associated Press verifies Missouri Militia/Terrorist Group report
« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2009, 05:38:59 PM »
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I'd love to see the design notes on that.  Since the .243 is based on a 7.62x51mm, how did that work with a 7.62x39mm receiver?  What magazines would work with that?

There is a Yugo AK variant, the M-76, which is kind of their own version of the Dragunov, that runs 8x57 (8mm) Mauser.  That would be fine for .243 Winchester.

The Yugo M-70 is basically a 7.62x39 AK, so it would probably work ok for 6.8 SPC with a little boltface modification.

There is also a Yugo M-77/M-90 which was originally chambered in 7.62mm NATO (.308 Winchester), and it would be a good choice for any of that family of cartridges, be it a .243 Winchester, .260 Remington, 7mm-08, etc.

"Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round...

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