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« on: October 03, 2006, 11:35:04 AM »
Yet again no one in Europe sees the elephant in the room.  Remember there is no such thing as an Islamic extremist and hijackers are not that big of a threat.

http://www.krqe.com/expanded.asp?ID=17475

Who boy, Europe may not have the 50 years it thinks it has before it becomes Eurarabia.  With denial like this could be 10.
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2006, 11:37:32 AM »
JAKARTA (Reuters) - Indonesian police have slapped a cordon around a huge landmark Banyan tree in the capital after members of a Muslim youth group attacked it to prove it had no special mystical powers.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061003/od_nm/indonesia_tree1_dc;_ylt=Al6lkI0c91xmf5.aIW1MJtOs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3NW1oMDRpBHNlYwM3NTc-

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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2006, 11:42:51 AM »
Oh, no, Muslims vs. trees.  Now American Leftists will be confused!  Two protected groups in conflict!  Who will they choose?
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2006, 11:48:08 AM »
That will be my alibi if I ever get arrested for assault.

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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2006, 11:54:17 AM »
Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET), is reported to have issued a Fatwa calling upon the Muslims to kill Pope Benedict XVI for a recent speech of his delivered on September 12,2006

http://www.saag.org/papers20/paper1974.html

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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2006, 12:11:43 PM »
The problem is that Europe has let in so many muslims, that they are a potent political fact of life there.  France is pushing 20% of the population, as are the Netherlands and Norway.

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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2006, 12:13:57 PM »
Sounds like cousin Abdul-Salam is getting cranky again.  Perhaps its time to administer a good spanking and make in stand in the corner until he can play nice with the rest of the children on the planet.
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2006, 12:15:34 PM »
One thing I noticed over in the sandbox is their tendency to slap each other.

They really need a healthy outlet.

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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2006, 05:03:29 PM »
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One thing I noticed over in the sandbox is their tendency to slap each other.

They really need a healthy outlet.
What, killing westerners (and women, and each other, and...)  isn't a "healthy outlet"?

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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2006, 05:22:36 PM »
Aren't these guys just pretty much just ignorant, hillbilly, rednecks dressed in sheets, who talk funny?  Hopefully, in 50 years or so, we'll just have to put up with them marching at city hall once a year or so.  Do they have trailer parks in Fokkedupistann?

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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2006, 06:10:35 PM »
We should have nuked Mecca on or about September 12, 2001.
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2006, 06:13:42 PM »
Quote from: Lee
Aren't these guys just pretty much just ignorant, hillbilly, rednecks dressed in sheets, who talk funny?  Hopefully, in 50 years or so, we'll just have to put up with them marching at city hall once a year or so.
Yeah, since the Klan was blowing up large crowds of people all over the world, with the backing of various world leaders.
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2006, 06:42:55 PM »
Um, the current information on that situation would seem to indicate that the Hijacker claims to be a Christian attempting to escape from compulsory military service in Turkey.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/10/03/turkey.hijack/index.html

I guess this guy is a Christian Extremist Terrorist Draft Dodger (CETDD), a rare beast indeed.

Now, lets see if you can keep up the generalizing, what does this say about Christians?

It must be really hard to simultaneously blame the Europeans of both violence and pacifism, Turkey is (believe it or not) in Europe. The ignorance displayed in this thread is almost staggering.

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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2006, 05:30:20 AM »
My generalization is that this was allowed to happen in light of 9/11.  The hijacker, Zen Buddhist, Christian, or whatever, should have been ripped limb from limb.

The fact that this yahoo was not killed on the spot shows how dangerously soft the Europeans have become.  The Islamic Extremists will have an easy bit.Sad
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2006, 08:39:39 AM »
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My generalization is that this was allowed to happen in light of 9/11.  The hijacker, Zen Buddhist, Christian, or whatever, should have been ripped limb from limb.

The fact that this yahoo was not killed on the spot shows how dangerously soft the Europeans have become.  The Islamic Extremists will have an easy bit.Sad
The flight was from one city in Turkey to another city in Turkey, the population of the plane was probably about 90% Islamic. So what is it? Are the Islamic people prone to violence or are they dangerously soft? Your really dont get to have your generalizations both ways.

You do realize that this was a plane full of Muslims hijacked by a Christian and you are using it as an example of how Islamic Terrorists are going to conquer Europe, right? How does that not ring of adsurdity even to your ears?

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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2006, 09:29:28 AM »
From the CNN article posted by c_yeager:

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The hijacking incident began Tuesday afternoon, when the Turkish airliner departed the Albanian capital, Tirana, for Istanbul. The hijacker entered the plane's cockpit over Greek airspace, officials said.

The plane sent out a distress signal, and Greek warplanes escorted it out of Greek airspace. Greek officials alerted their Italian counterparts, the airline spokesman said.

The plane carried 107 passengers and a crew of six. It landed at a military airfield in Brindisi, on the heel of Italy's boot. Italian aviation officials said the passengers would be flown to Istanbul on a Turkish Airlines flight.
I quote this passage because it appears to show the the plane did NOT depart from a Turkish city, but rather an Albanian one and did not enter Turkish airspace.  What difference that makes, I do not know.
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2006, 10:17:44 AM »
The plane was European and full of EU members.  That they did not tear this hijacker, Hindu, Methodist, whatever, to pieces shows that the Europeans ignore the elephant in the room and learned nothing from 9/11.

The Islamic extremists, those knuckleheads longing to drag the world into the 7th century, are violence prone.

No, it does not sound absurd to me as it demonstrates Europe's unwillingness to fight.
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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2006, 10:55:48 AM »
Again, going by the CNN report, the passengers were unaware of the hijacking.  The article is poorly-written, but seems to indicate that the hijacker snuck into the cockpit with the passengers unaware.  Tejon, you may wish to find out what precisely went on in the cockpit before you decide the pilots were wimps.  You don't know what the man told them, or what they thought he was going to do.
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2006, 11:00:44 AM »
Darn you and your logic, fist!

*gnashing of teeth, rendering of garments*
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2006, 11:10:18 AM »
Logic?  What that?  Me just read article at hyperlink.
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2006, 12:27:59 PM »
I find it difficult to believe that a plane can be hijacked without he passengers realizing it.

If these fellows managed to pull that off then I'm pretty impressed.  And a little alarmed...

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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2006, 08:40:40 PM »
Tejon, you could be right about the appeasement factor, but you never know.  Sounds like the guy was so polite (for a hijacker) and sincere that they thought they could land the plane safely, rather than have him blow up the passengers.  


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Passengers tell of chatty hijack with 'not much panic' Wed Oct 4, 7:45 AM ET

The passengers of a Turkish Airlines (THY) plane hijacked Tuesday to Italy has flown back to Istanbul with tales of a relatively calm and chatty experience.

"Thank God, this affair ended without anything serious happening," said Ergun Erkoseoglu on Wednesday, a burly, bearded Turkish passenger in T-shirt and baseball cap who spent much of the ordeal on his cellphone with the newsroom of the NTV news channel.

"We were told we would land in Italy because of a technical problem at the Ataturk Airport in Istanbul, so there was not much panic and we went on chatting among ourselves," he said. "Only when we saw the Italian soldiers at the airport did we know that something was going on."

Some passengers did not realize that they were hijacked until they turned on their cellphones, said another Turkish traveller, Halil Demir.

"When we landed, we turned on our mobile telephones and we began receiving messages (from relatives) that we had been hijacked," he said.

The air pirate was identified as 28-year-old Hakan Ekinci, an army deserter being sent back to Turkey and facing eventual arrest when he hijacked the plane he was being deported on from Albania.

The unarmed Ekinci entered the cockpit about 20 minutes after take-off from Tirana en route to Istanbul and threatened the pilots with a parcel he said contained a bomb, according to Turkish officials.

"The hijacker forced his way into the cockpit as the chief flight attendant was serving us. He pushed her into my lap and I tried to push him out, but failed. He was a big fellow," pilot Mursel Gokalp told a press conference at Ataturk airport.

"He said 'I'm not going to hurt anyone'... He said his sole aim was to give a message to the pope, that he would surrender afterwards, but that he would blow up the plane otherwise," Gokalp explained.

Ekinci -- reportedly a convert to Christianity and a conscientious objector -- asked for political asylum in Italy after surrendering to the police.

Italian authorities said Wednesday that Ekinci did not have a letter addressed to Pope Benedict XVI on his person.

But he had written a letter in August to Pope Benedict XVI, seeking his help to avoid military service in Turkey.

Erkoseoglu, who said he was sitting in the front of the plane, said he saw the hijacker enter the cockpit after pushing aside a flight attendant, but said passengers suspected nothing until the plane landed at the southern Italian city of Brindisi.

The hijacker "apologized and wished us good night" before the pilot led him out to surrender to the Italian police, passengers said.

The Turkish and mostly Albanian travellers aboard the flight spoke to the media and their friends and relatives by cellphone throughout the standoff.

At one point, they were heard on television -- through Erkoseoglu's phone -- breaking into applause as the hijacker apologized and bade farewell to the passengers before surrendering.

Senior THY officials greeted the plane bringing the passengers back from Brindisi. All of the 113 people on board the hijacked Boeing 737-400, except for the hijacker and a traveller who chose to stay in Italy, were flown to Istanbul.  

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Turkish hijacker threatened to blow himself up By Robin Pomeroy
Wed Oct 4, 10:25 AM ET
 
A man who hijacked a Turkish Airlines flight on Tuesday was unarmed and threatened to blow up the plane if the pilot did not divert the flight to Italy, officials and crew said on Wednesday.

All 107 passengers and six crew on the Boeing 737 were unharmed in the hijack which ended with one man's arrest in Brindisi airport in southern Italy late on Tuesday.

But while Italian authorities said 27-year-old Turk Hakan Ekinci acted alone, the Turkish Justice Ministry said two men were involved, and named the second hijacker as Mehmet Ertas.

The pilot said Ekinci stormed the cockpit shortly after the flight took off from Tirana bound for Istanbul. He has requested political asylum in Italy.

"While the chief stewardess entered the cockpit to ask if we needed anything, the terrorist entered by force. I tried to push him out but he was a big man and I failed to stop him," Turkish Airlines captain Mursel Gokalp told reporters in Istanbul.

"He said his only aim was to give a message to the Pope and then he would submit himself to the police. He said that if he failed to deliver his message his three friends at the back of the plane would detonate the plastic bombs they had," he said.

Turkish media said Ekinci was a Christian convert who wanted to avoid military service in Turkey and wrote to Pope Benedict several months ago for help to avoid serving in a "Muslim army."

PECULIAR INCIDENT

The incident raised questions about how an unarmed person could hijack an aircraft after all the security alerts following the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States.

"The peculiar thing about this hijack was that it was done by a lone, unarmed man," Italy's Interior Minister Giuliano Amato told a Senate hearing on the incident.

A Tirana airport video released to Reuters showed Ekinci undergoing repeated security checks and a body search after a metal detector went off twice. He had to remove his belt and sweater and empty his pockets before being allowed to board.

Security has been upgraded in recent years at Tirana's international airport, which is run by a German-U.S. firm.

Amato said Ekinci traveled to Albania in May and requested asylum there on the grounds that he was viewed as a deserter from the Turkish army and would be punished if he went home.

Albania refused his request and he was expelled from the country on the Turkish Airlines flight from Tirana to Istanbul.

The Vatican said the hijacking was not expected to affect plans for a visit to Turkey next month by Pope Benedict, who offended many Muslims with a speech last month linking the spread of the Islamic faith to violence.

KNEW THE CODE

According to passengers, 20 minutes into the flight the pilot announced that a technical failure at Istanbul airport meant the plane would have to land in Italy.

"But when we saw Italian soldiers at the airport we understood the situation. The plane was hijacked. There was no panic among the passengers," passenger Ergun Erkoseoglu told a news conference at Istanbul airport.

When the pilot transmitted a code which alerts air traffic controllers to emergency situations, Ekinci told him to insert the more specific code which refers to a hijack.

"The pilot said he knew procedures and the meaning of codes and said he learned it all on the Internet," Amato told the Senate. "I don't know how many of you would have known how to do that, I certainly wouldn't have."

As he surrendered, the hijacker said sorry to the captain, shook his hand and told passengers: "I apologize to all of you. Good night."

At the Vatican, Cardinal Pio Laghi said the kidnap "worried us not just because of the risk of blood being spilled, but also because other people might copy this violent act."

"But I don't think this episode will have any influence on the Holy Father's trip," he told reporters.

Amato said that while the hijack exposed the "fragility" of security on the flight in question, it did not heighten security concerns for the Pope's trip.

(Additional reporting by Paul De Bendern in Istanbul and Benet Koleka in Tirana)

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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2006, 03:42:13 AM »
Isn't there a Monty Python skit about this?  Eric Idle is the mass murderer who is so nice the jury, the QC and police witnesses all demand that he be freed.
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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2006, 05:02:29 AM »
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It must be really hard to simultaneously blame the Europeans of both violence and pacifism, Turkey is (believe it or not) in Europe. The ignorance displayed in this thread is almost staggering.
Well, some small bit of Turkey is in the continent of Europe.  

Specifically, the portion of Turkey west of the Bosphorus Straight.  (Istanbul & points west)

Europe:



Bosphorus Straight:


Something less than 5% of total land mass (by my rough estimate) is in Europe.  Population is likely a higher percentage, though.

I wonder what the majority viewpoint would be if europeans were asked if the Turks were also europeans?

BTW, isn't the satellite image just cool as all get out?

Oh, here is another image of Europe:
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« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2006, 05:18:33 AM »
Turkey is partly in Europe and is attempting to joing the European Union.  Just a story about it yesterday on National People's Radio.Smiley
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