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Title: Security guard who killed church shooter will not be indicted
Post by: MillCreek on September 29, 2020, 03:54:31 PM: https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/918185532/grand-jury-declines-to-indict-church-security-guard-who-killed-gunman-in-texas?utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR09M5gBKpEkSDVYTTNE_K2Hf9yzylu4ybWZfd2XRmZ64w1FfLccTH7x2tA&fbclid=IwAR1YNFuzfMehRsMl5cj10MkLiFEBa_83REjSkr_W2AHBszEblE5RY2M8eFA&fbclid=IwAR2iFSNDgm6txHJ7AIENNM8aohpvMKFcysc2COZeOk8bdHrxTzOyFNXfvUY

I could not find a thread in which we discussed this particular church shooting.
Title: Re: Security guard who killed church shooter will not be indicted
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 29, 2020, 03:56:07 PM: IIRC this was the one that the whole thing (or the important parts anyway) was caught on video.
Title: Re: Security guard who killed church shooter will not be indicted
Post by: dogmush on September 29, 2020, 04:01:25 PM: Does Texas have a law that all shootings need to go before a grand jury? This seems like the case for a no-bill if ever there was one.
Title: Re: Security guard who killed church shooter will not be indicted
Post by: Ben on September 29, 2020, 04:04:21 PM: Quote from: dogmush on September 29, 2020, 04:01:25 PM
Does Texas have a law that all shootings need to go before a grand jury? This seems like the case for a no-bill if ever there was one.

That's what I was thinking. That was a pretty cut and dry example of self-defense. If someone could go to jail for what he did, God help us all.
Title: Re: Security guard who killed church shooter will not be indicted
Post by: lee n. field on September 29, 2020, 04:07:24 PM: Quote from: dogmush on September 29, 2020, 04:01:25 PM
Does Texas have a law that all shootings need to go before a grand jury? This seems like the case for a no-bill if ever there was one.

From what I read elsewhere, yes.
Title: Re: Security guard who killed church shooter will not be indicted
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 29, 2020, 06:02:11 PM: Quote from: dogmush on September 29, 2020, 04:01:25 PM
Does Texas have a law that all shootings need to go before a grand jury? This seems like the case for a no-bill if ever there was one.

Standard in Texas, all killings (homicide, justified or not) go before a grand jury.
Title: Re: Security guard who killed church shooter will not be indicted
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 29, 2020, 07:27:09 PM: Quote from: RoadKingLarry on September 29, 2020, 06:02:11 PM

Standard in Texas, all killings (homicide, justified or not) go before a grand jury.

I like to think of it as a victory lap for The Hero of White Settlement. =D
Title: Re: Security guard who killed church shooter will not be indicted
Post by: MechAg94 on September 29, 2020, 08:01:17 PM: I am wondering why the hell it took so long for this to go before a grand jury. Did they forget?
Title: Re: Security guard who killed church shooter will not be indicted
Post by: cordex on September 29, 2020, 08:58:55 PM: Quote from: MechAg94 on September 29, 2020, 08:01:17 PM
I am wondering why the hell it took so long for this to go before a grand jury. Did they forget?
No, they have a very heavy caseload, don’t meet every day, and COVID.
Title: Re: Security guard who killed church shooter will not be indicted
Post by: T.O.M. on October 01, 2020, 09:19:18 AM: A good prosecutor will take any case like this to grand jury and not just throw it out. Reason is that a no bill handed down by the grand jury is a useful thing for the shooter to have on record if/when a civil suit is filed. Most suits allege both the intentional tort (wrongful death) as well as a reckless and/or negligent tort. The no bill is essentially a finding that the shooting was both intentional and justified. Helps the shooter's attorney with a motion to dismiss the suit.
Title: Re: Security guard who killed church shooter will not be indicted
Post by: RocketMan on October 01, 2020, 10:59:55 AM: Thanks for that clarification, T.O.M. I had always suspected that to be the case, so it's nice to have the confirmation.
Title: Re: Security guard who killed church shooter will not be indicted
Post by: 230RN on October 02, 2020, 06:54:08 PM: Thanks, T.O.M. As I suspected, glad to have confirmation.