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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on August 04, 2018, 10:46:47 PM
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I just read that CBS is debuting a Magnum PI reboot next month. Putting my old fuddy duddy pants on, and being a huge fan of the original, I do not approve. I should probably give it a chance, but they said they are doing a "crossover" thing with it and the new Hawaii Five-O (which I have also never seen). They have a young, female Higgins. Also, the preview stunts were a little over the top. I liked the more "real world" feel of the original.
Maybe it'll be a hit, but I'll stick with the original, which is still great after all these years. I could see maybe watching this new one if it was not Magnum PI, but rather some other action show.
http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/magnum-pi/268409/magnum-pi-reboot-release-date-trailer-and-news
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The little voice inside me suggests I check it out. I like the Hawaii Five-O reboot and .... maybe .... I'll like Magnum.
Maybe not. I don't know about the female Higgins.
It won't hurt to check it out.
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What should we reboot? The Fall Guy with a vaguely attractive Butch lesbian lead? Maybe Knight Rider where the car is a non binary genderfluid that thinks it's a horse?
I thin entertainment is dead, so at least leave the classics alone.
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They already tried a reboot of KNIGHT RIDER, morphed into a Ford Mustang. It was silly and lasted maybe half a season.
I don't care about FALL GUY, but wouldn't mind a reboot of THE SIX MILLION DOLLAR MAN, but they better do a nicer job than what they did in the dark and gloomy reboot fail of THE BIONIC WOMAN a few years back.
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They're just taking advantage of the old titles and plot lines. Sort of a show biz superstition.
Terry
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It doesn't look good. But it may not be bad. What I don't like is that in the previews the car gets destroyed on two separate occasions. Did the Ferrari even get more than slightly damaged in the original series?
Also, while the original had action this one looks like it's going to be more focused on big stunts than on cases and the relationships between the three friends and Magnum and Higgins.
That is the stunts will come first and the rest will be be squeezed in just enough to set up the action rather than letting the plot drive the narrative and then having the action follow organically from that.
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Epic fail. No mustache.
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Maybe Knight Rider where the car is a non binary genderfluid that thinks it's a horse
In a way they did...the remake from a few years ago had the Mustang KITT transforming into a van or pickup truck
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It doesn't look good. But it may not be bad. What I don't like is that in the previews the car gets destroyed on two separate occasions. Did the Ferrari even get more than slightly damaged in the original series?
Also, while the original had action this one looks like it's going to be more focused on big stunts than on cases and the relationships between the three friends and Magnum and Higgins.
That is the stunts will come first and the rest will be be squeezed in just enough to set up the action rather than letting the plot drive the narrative and then having the action follow organically from that.
On the original, I think the Ferrari got destroyed maybe twice through the whole run. Most of the time it was little dings that had Magnum do his patent "cringe" expression, knowing what Higgens would say and do*. Plus the one off bullet holes in the Ferarri, as well as TC's helo.
I also agree on the focus. What I liked about the original were the relationships and minimal over the top action. You rarely saw any action movie acrobatics in fight scenes - it was usually a couple of punches or something, which you might expect in real life. That scene in the trailer with the new Magnum doing that jump from the Ferrari to the truck is like Legalos jumping on a mastodon in The Return of the King.
It's not that I don't watch and enjoy shows that do any of this stuff. It's, as I said, that I think I'd have a hard time watching this without constantly comparing to the excellent original. A whole new show with no Magnum connection? I'd likely tune out reality and watch it.
* In fact, I think one of the endearing things in the original was the whole Magnum child-like quality regarding the interactions with the stern parent Higgens. Magnum often worried more about what Higgens would do to him than what some armed criminal would do.
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I'm a pessimist. Odds are it will be some sort of SJW dreck.
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I was a huge fan of the original. Thursday nights on CBS were my favorite TV nights, other than Miami Vice on Friday. I still watch the old Magnum. All that said, I did watch the reboot of Five-O, and enjoyed the first couple of seasons. I'll give the new one a few episodes to see how they do. Hope they treat the theme song the same way they did the Five-O theme. No real changes, just a new recording.
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Hope for the best, but expect the worst - that's pretty much my attitude toward the new Magnum, P.I. (Wonder if they'll ever have Tom Selleck do a cameo?)
The Hawaii Five-O reboot isn't entirely awful - only a few episodes really reeked. On the other hand, I sure won't miss the MacGyver reboot when it's cancelled.
I'm half-expecting some network genius to do a politically correct reboot of Bonanza . . . perhaps starring the cast of the most recent Ghostbusters movie.
[popcorn]
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In before Terry: that is 'Legolas'.
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(Wonder if they'll ever have Tom Selleck do a cameo?)
I read another article where Selleck said he he wishes them well, but he won't be participating in any way, including cameos.
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In before Terry: that is 'Legolas'.
I think I'm going too start just doing stuff like that on purpose instead of by accident. :)
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HankB remarked,
I'm half-expecting some network genius to do a politically correct reboot of Bonanza . . .
Oh, right, where Hop Sing is the business manager of the Ponderosa Foundation for Habitat for Humanity and Ecologically Sound Stewardship. Gotcha.
In before Terry: that is 'Legolas'.
I had no referent, so u're welcome to the win.
I think I'm going too <ahem, koff-koff> start just doing stuff like that on purpose instead of by accident. :)
Hey, I'm not the only correctologist here, you know. fistful and Hawkmoon are also Grammar Guidance Counselors, among others.
Hmmm... should I have capitalized fistful?
"To the BatStyle Manual, Robin!"
"Holy Spellcheck, Batman! Why not just put Hawkmoon first?"
"Excellent thinking, Boy Wonder !"
Terry, 230RN
Edited to correct "hod" to "had."
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<ahem, koff-koff>
on porpose instead of by accident. :)
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^ I knew dat. Hence the "<>." Sort of an "I know that was deliberate, but I didn't want you to think I missed it." I could have used a sic but I didn't think of it until now.
Oh, I almost forgot, pursuant to my previous remarks:
REF:
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Batman_(Bruce_Wayne)
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I saw the TV trailer for it.
Higgins is a very hot blond woman....
Ah. Perdita Weeks. Ok, TURBO HOT blond woman.
Other than that, it looked absolutely awful.
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HankB remarked,
Oh, right, where Hop Sing is the business manager of the Ponderosa Foundation for Habitat for Humanity and Ecologically Sound Stewardship. Gotcha.
I had no referent, so u're welcome to the win.
Hey, I'm not the only correctologist here, you know. fistful and Hawkmoon are also Grammar Guidance Counselors, among others.
Hmmm... should I have capitalized fistful?
"To the BatStyle Manual, Robin!"
"Holy Spellcheck, Batman! Why not just put Hawkmoon first?"
"Excellent thinking, Boy Wonder !"
Terry, 230RN
Edited to correct "hod" to "had."
How dare you people not capitalize my name?! What unmitigated disrespect! Well, I never...
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I always liked the way his whole place was his man cave in the original series, before man cave was even a term.
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I always liked the way his whole place was his man cave in the original series, before man cave was even a term.
Yeah, me too. Also how it was part of that dichotomy between the honorable soldier and the man who never quite grew up. I used to love the scenes in there where they would show him getting excited about making PB&Js before watching some old movie, or else like the time Higgins barged in while Magnum was looking for something he had lost in the mess of the man cave, and they show him popping up wearing a gorilla mask, which he evidently stumbled on and then put on as he continued looking for his lost item.
I guess I liked scenes like that partially because they were something I would do (have done) so I related. :laugh:
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Ha. I can see now why Tom Selleck refuses to support the new show. It apparently debuted, and the first thing that happened was some group is already complaining that it is not diverse enough and that they need to fire the Hispanic playing Magnum and hire a Hawaiian. Producers respond by listing all the LGBTQHJGFHGLDJG people they have on the show instead of saying FOAD. The real Magnum would have said FOAD. The real Higgins would have just said, "OH. MY. GOD!" :laugh:
Side note: I recently splurged on the DVD set of the complete series. I'm really enjoying watching the entire original again. Though I forgot how often Magnum walks around with his finger on the trigger of his 1911. :laugh:
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I'm going to give it a couple of episodes to see if it's any good, but to be perfectly honest, I don't think it's going to be worth watching.
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Ha. I can see now why Tom Selleck refuses to support the new show. It apparently debuted, and the first thing that happened was some group is already complaining that it is not diverse enough and that they need to fire the Hispanic playing Magnum and hire a Hawaiian. Producers respond by listing all the LGBTQHJGFHGLDJG people they have on the show instead of saying FOAD. The real Magnum would have said FOAD. The real Higgins would have just said, "OH. MY. GOD!" :laugh:
Side note: I recently splurged on the DVD set of the complete series. I'm really enjoying watching the entire original again. Though I forgot how often Magnum walks around with his finger on the trigger of his 1911. :laugh:
Not. Good. News. :mad:
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I was a huge fan of the original. Thursday nights on CBS were my favorite TV nights, other than Miami Vice on Friday.
One wonders what they could do for a Miami Vice reimagining. Maybe a smaller version, called Miami ViceGrips? Or go all out and call it Miami Hydraulic Press?
Oh ... different kind of "vice" -- nemmind.
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Side note: I recently splurged on the DVD set of the complete series. I'm really enjoying watching the entire original again. Though I forgot how often Magnum walks around with his finger on the trigger of his 1911. :laugh:
I tend not to be too harsh on old movies and shows for that. I seem to recall that back when the FBI adopted the Smith 1076, they taught agents to "prep" the trigger on the draw, which meant the agent would not only put their finger on the trigger, but actually put pressure on the trigger. If that was what they were teaching Feds in the real world, I can overlook Magnum putting his finger in the trigger guard in make-believe.
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Ha. I can see now why Tom Selleck refuses to support the new show. It apparently debuted, and the first thing that happened was some group is already complaining that it is not diverse enough and that they need to fire the Hispanic playing Magnum and hire a Hawaiian. Producers respond by listing all the LGBTQHJGFHGLDJG people they have on the show instead of saying FOAD. The real Magnum would have said FOAD.
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I've never seen the show. I probably didn't have TV then. But here's another meme.
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I tend not to be too harsh on old movies and shows for that. I seem to recall that back when the FBI adopted the Smith 1076, they taught agents to "prep" the trigger on the draw, which meant the agent would not only put their finger on the trigger, but actually put pressure on the trigger. If that was what they were teaching Feds in the real world, I can overlook Magnum putting his finger in the trigger guard in make-believe.
I agree. The booger hook on the bang switch commandment is a relatively new thing. It's a good new thing, though. I've seen pix of soldiers and Marines in Viet Nam doing it all the time. (And carrying their rifles by the carrying handle, which later turned out to be "not-a-carrying handle.")
You really want to see gaspworthy old gun-handling, watch a couple of episodes of "McHale's Navy." That always surprised me because Borgnine had been in the military (Navy) for quite a while. When I say "gaspworthy," I really mean it. Three or four of them standing around waving .45s at each other like they were index fingers.
I haven't seen the new "Magnum," but from the descriptions, the gloppy-sugary hyper-diversity angle would turn me off, too. That used to be one of my favorite shows.
Terry, 230RN
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^^^A little known fact is that the “carry handle” of an AR-15 is indeed not a handle it was a guard for the top mounted charging handle of the original AR-10. The charging handle was then moved to its current location making the “carry handle” superfluous
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I tend not to be too harsh on old movies and shows for that.
On a tangent, the old Magnum PI would likely never make it to the airwaves today. There are at least 50 "metoo" violations in every single episode. =D
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^^^A little known fact is that the “carry handle” of an AR-15 is indeed not a handle it was a guard for the top mounted charging handle of the original AR-10. The charging handle was then moved to its current location making the “carry handle” superfluous
It's a well-known fact to anyone who's been to boot camp.
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evidently it is just beyond the ability of today's producers and writers to come up with anything original. Like Jack Ryan or now Magnum PI.
Remakes are rarely, if ever, better than the original.
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So, did anyone watch it. Glad they didn't screw up the music. It was, in fact, a complete copy of the original, with the exception of Higgins being a woman, and the crew having served together in the sandbox, not Viet Nam. All that said, it was okay for mindless entertainment.
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Yeah ... pretty much a clone ... maybe a tiny bit of frog DNA thrown in. The jump from the .... second ... demolishing Ferrari was, well, pretty dang incredible.
This is apparently going to crossover with Hawaii Five-O. I hope McGarrett and Magnum get along ok, 'cause Thomas doesn't seem quit so well versed in physical self defense as McGarrett.
I think I might enjoy this new reboot. I'll stick around. :cool:
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^^^A little known fact is that the “carry handle” of an AR-15 is indeed not a handle it was a guard for the top mounted charging handle of the original AR-10. The charging handle was then moved to its current location making the “carry handle” superfluous
The Original AR-15.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/ArmaLite_AR-15_SPAR_3240_DEC._17._2004.png)
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So, did anyone watch it. Glad they didn't screw up the music. It was, in fact, a complete copy of the original, with the exception of Higgins being a woman, and the crew having served together in the sandbox, not Viet Nam. All that said, it was okay for mindless entertainment.
I watched the first few minutes of it before I went to bed.
The music was the first thing I keyed in on, as well...
Thunderstruck by AC/DC.
You will NEVER go wrong with Thunderstruck...
I'm going to give it a look tonight to see what it's like. I'm hoping that's it's not as bad as it's being made out to be, but I'm thinking yeah, it's going to be pretty bad.
But still... Perdida Weeks... a BIG step up over Jonathan Hillerman...
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I'm old. I was spoilt by the original series. I watched part of it and then went off and read a book. When you can blow up an MRAP looking vehicle with a handgun and make it roll several times and burning the forest...followed by an ambulance with kidnappers who fire hundreds of rounds at the Hispanic Magnum and miss and then drive over and destroy a Ferrari, I'm done. At least he wore a Detroit Tiger hat. And I thought the new Higgins was a mortal sin.
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I'm old. I was spoilt by the original series. I watched part of it and then went off and read a book. When you can blow up an MRAP looking vehicle with a handgun and make it roll several times and burning the forest...followed by an ambulance with kidnappers who fire hundreds of rounds at the Hispanic Magnum and miss and then drive over and destroy a Ferrari, I'm done. At least he wore a Detroit Tiger hat. And I thought the new Higgins was a mortal sin.
:rofl:
Well, that's show biz.
Terry, 230RN
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And I thought the new Higgins was a mortal sin.
I'd like to commit a little mortal sin with her.
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OH. MY. GOD.
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OH. MY. GOD.
Oh your God what?
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Oh. My. G-d., making a remark like that in today's hyper-PC U.S., OMG!
FBI investigation! FBI investigation! FBI investigation!
Whoop! Whoop! Whoop! Blue alert ! Blue alert ! DEVCON Eleventyleven !
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Oh your God what?
John Hillerman's "Higgins" often said "Oh. My. God" when one of Magnum's schemes came to light .... or something else Magnum did got Higgins' annoyed.
It was one of Higgins' more charming traits. =D
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OH. MY. GOD.
I believe that referred back to the remark about wanting to commit a sin with the new Higgins.
Un-PCto the max nowadays.
Y' gotta remember it's not just between us good ole boys on APS.
Now that you mention it, I can hear the old Higgins' OH. MY. GOD. in my head now regarding that remark.
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OH. MY. GOD.
That's what she said! :rofl: [ar15]
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I didn't remember that about Higgins. Said. It's been a LONG time since I've seen an episode of Magnum.
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OMG montage.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/video/tv/montage-of-omg-moments-from-magnum-pi-with-late-john-hillerman-as-posh-british-butler-higgins/
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I didn't remember that about Higgins. Said. It's been a LONG time since I've seen an episode of Magnum.
I just finished off season 4 of the boxed set I recently bought. Such a great show. Though I'm starting to recall that season 8 may be a bit of a letdown. IIRC, season 7 was supposed to be it, but then they got another season and had to work it in. I think season 8 is when they went all in on the Higgins/Masters thing.
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I've thought about springing for the boxed set, but I've got other things to spend money on.
Two of my favorite TV episodes ever are from season 3, episodes 1 and 2 -- Did you See the Sunrise?
That was a break from seasons 1 and 2 in which Magnum was almost a comedic character and a playboy.
Did you See the Sunrise established Magnum as a far more complex, darker character, and that continued on into the series and made it a LOT better overall.
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I loved that last freeze frame in "DID YOU SEE THE SUNRISE?" It was quite a poignant episode.
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Yep, really was the crown on an incredible 2-part episode.
And let's not forget the tribute to the episode that made its way into Archer season 2, episode 9, Placebo Effect.
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The first episode of this Magnum version was titled "I Saw the Sun Rise." When I saw that, I went back to watch the 2 parter. Loved it then. Love it still. Makes me want to buy a stock Government 1911 and practice one hand shots.
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Yup, that was a great episode. I also really liked the one where they went back to Vietnam.
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Maybe we should start a "Best Of" thread listing some of our favorite episodes of TV shows. Another favorite Magnum episode is the one with Frank Sinatra as the old cop avenging his grandchild.
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I've watched two episodes now and the best I can come up with is, "meh." It is paint-by-numbers, mindless TV. I'm OK with that, just have to be in the mood for it.
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I'm still powering through the originals. I forgot how funny the Luther Gillis episodes were. They really should have created a spinoff there. :laugh:
Just for kicks I checked the IMDB reviews on the reboot, and it is getting thrashed.
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Caution: Thread swerve:
NCIS had pretty much hit the "meh" plateau for me lately but last night's episode was really good.
I've always liked Fred Dryer and getting him and Charles Robinson together in the same show was great even though they only had one scene together.
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Caution: Thread swerve:
NCIS had pretty much hit the "meh" plateau for me lately but last night's episode was really good.
I've always liked Fred Dryer and getting him and Charles Robinson together in the same show was great even though they only had one scene together.
:facepalm: I KNEW he looked familiar, somehow! It was Rick Hunter! . ...... "It works for me."
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I watched a lot of Hunter. It was a good, fun show. Not high art by any means but as a police procedural in an action-adventure universe it was top-of-the-line.