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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Desertdog on September 03, 2009, 11:57:00 AM
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Very scary. With everything the Dems are doing, it does seem to me, to be pointing to an attempt to completely take over control of the country.
Congressman stays on message - freedom at risk
By BLAKE AUED | blake.aued@onlineathens.com | Story updated at 12:12 am on 9/3/2009
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Listen to excerpts from U.S. Rep. Paul Broun's town hall meeting in Greene County (AUDIO, 4.8 MB)
MADISON - U.S. Rep. Paul Broun is again raising the specter of Democrats turning the United States into a totalitarian state.
Broun, R-Athens, apparently has not changed his belief that President Obama may be a fascist since he made similar remarks in Augusta in November and then in an Associated Press interview.
He told a meeting of the Morgan County Republicans on Wednesday night that Obama already has or will have the three things he needs to make himself a dictator: a national police force, gun control and control over the press.
"He has the three things that are necessary to establish an authoritarian government," Broun said. "And so we need to be ever-vigilant, because freedom is precious."
As he did when comparing Obama to Hitler and the Soviets last year, Broun cited a speech Obama gave in Colorado during the campaign last July calling for "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the military.
In the speech, Obama called young Americans to serve both at home and abroad, and said he would expand the Peace Corps, AmeriCorps and other volunteer opportunities. Broun, however, said Obama was referring to a national police force.
"'The liberals say, 'What is wrong with Americorps?' " Broun said. "Well, this is not Americorps."
Broun also said he thinks the national media is openly supporting Obama's policies. He also said he believes the president and Attorney General Eric Holder will enact new gun-control policies.
Holder said in February that he wants to renew a Clinton-era ban on assault weapons, but Obama said in April that he is putting the issue on the back burner.
Broun also cited the dozens of so-called "czars" Obama has appointed to oversee areas like the troubled car industry as evidence that he is overstepping his bounds to seek power.
"They're developing a shadow government that (does not) answer to the American people," Broun said.
At a town hall meeting in Clarkesville last month, Broun called Obama, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid a "socialistic elite" and agreed with a constituent who said they might use a flu pandemic to declare martial law.
"They're trying to develop an environment where they can take over," Broun said. "We've seen that historically."
More than 1,000 people combined turned out to hear Broun speak mostly on the topic of health care at town hall meetings Wednesday in Madison and Greene County.
About 300 attended the Madison meeting. At Lake Oconee, the audience filled three 300-seat movie theaters, where Broun spoke on the invitation of three local doctors who have been giving presentations on Democrats' proposals for health care reform, said Bob Cowles, one of the organizers. Broun spoke live in one theater, while crowds in the other two listened in over a closed circuit.
Health care reform also is about Democrats seeking more power, Broun said.
"It gives them more power, more control over your life," he said.
Health care is too expensive, he said, and he attributed the cost to government regulations like HIPPA, a 1996 patient privacy and insurance portability law. Rather than create a government-run insurance program to compete with private insurers, the current system's framework should be kept, but with changes like expanded tax-free health savings accounts, more tax credits for medical expenses and tax breaks for doctors who provide charity care, Broun said.
"Just like (when) you have a dog with fleas, you don't kill the dog, you put on a flea collar," he said.
Broun has scheduled another town hall meeting for 10 a.m. Tuesday at the Oconee County Civic Center.
Originally published in the Athens Banner-Herald on Thursday, September 03, 2009
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"Just like (when) you have a dog with fleas, you don't kill the dog, you put on a flea collar," he said.
What if the dog isn't even yours and doesn't have fleas? Shoot it, anyway.
Sounds weird? That's what the leftist extremists are doing. In the first place, medical care is none of government's big nosy business. In the second place, it may, indeed, have minor problems, but it's by no means in crisis, and delivers the world's best results. In the third place, government-run so-called "health care" has contributed enormously to the problem, not the solution. In the fourth place, government-run so-called "health care" would inevitably be far, far worse than medical care as we know it today.
Why proceed? Because it would turn every American into a government dependent.
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Why proceed? Because it would turn every American into a government dependent.
Not this American.
If they decide to move forward on this despite the uproar, I've made a decision.
"I aim to misbehave."
I know enough doctors from my previous job that I will simply have no health insurance at all and opt-out of the gooberment program. I will pay these doctors cash for their services, under the table.
I will also not allow my records under this arrangement to be charted into a centralized records system. I will maintain them myself.
I may end up being taxed to pay for everyone else's health care, but I will be damned if I will ever allow a FedGov beancounter to tell my doctor a plan of treatment.
Black market medicine... I will be a consumer.
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My wife's (very talented) ob-gyn will be quitting medicine if Obamacare passes. Wonder if she'd work underground? The problem, of course, is a non-.gov sanctioned doc can't prescribe.
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Paul Broun is one of those few awesome Congressmen. Sadly he's too 'radical' for some people.
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No no no, Use the system, overuse it, bankrupt it.
See your doctor as often as possible, demand expnsive tests because of fictional pains. You might have whiplash or a torn knee or shouldder tendon where the only good test is an expensive MRI. Take an extra large dose of tylenol before your next cholesterol test and then demand a CT scan of your liver to check for liver damage due to the high enzyme levels that show on the test.
Use the national healthcAre system like people use public housing- pee on the carpeting, break the windows, punch holes in the walls, and burn the bulding down while on a crack bender. This will accomplish many things: it will drive costs beyond expectations, and if there is raioning involved, a productive working citizen will get priority over medicare and medicaid patients- leading to people being very upset with the system.
The article had some good points in it, but unfortunately Godwin'd itself early on- not too many people are going to take it seriously.
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No no no, Use the system, overuse it, bankrupt it.
See your doctor as often as possible, demand expnsive tests because of fictional pains.
That's what I plan on doing. Toothache on the weekend? To the emergency room. Sinus infection? Wait till 11:00PM at night and then emergency room.
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I've always been torn on that issue. On the one hand, taking money stolen from others is reprehensible (hence my refusal to go on unemployment between jobs). On the other hand, they're stealing my money too.
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Pay attention to the canaries in the mineshaft. They're looking a bit peaked...
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The article had some good points in it, but unfortunately Godwin'd itself early on- not too many people are going to take it seriously.
You know, people make a big deal whenever something or someone is compared to the Nazis. They tend to dismiss whatever was compared and whoever made the comparison. But there is one thing to remember: it already happened once. There really was a Nazi Germany, and it did really rise out of a normal nation of normal people who allowed their government to rage out of control. And let's not even pretend that it was the only time. In fact, most every nation for all of history has been mostly governed by a dictator. British Kings, Roman Emperors, Japanese Emperors, and every other king throughout history. It's not new. It's not impossible. This whole Democracy-Republic idea is the true oddball idea. Don't forget that. The status-quo of history is tyranny.
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You know, people make a big deal whenever something or someone is compared to the Nazis. They tend to dismiss whatever was compared and whoever made the comparison. But there is one thing to remember: it already happened once. There really was a Nazi Germany, and it did really rise out of a normal nation of normal people who allowed their government to rage out of control. And let's not even pretend that it was the only time. In fact, most every nation for all of history has been mostly governed by a dictator. British Kings, Roman Emperors, Japanese Emperors, and every other king throughout history. It's not new. It's not impossible. This whole Democracy-Republic idea is the true oddball idea. Don't forget that. The status-quo of history is tyranny.
but, but, it's just so much easer to screan GODWIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :O and stick my head in the sand :angel:
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Pay attention to the canaries in the mineshaft. They're looking a bit peaked...
John has a long moustache.
The chair is against the wall.
The crow flies at midnight...
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No no no, Use the system, overuse it, bankrupt it.
See your doctor as often as possible, demand expnsive tests because of fictional pains. You might have whiplash or a torn knee or shouldder tendon where the only good test is an expensive MRI. Take an extra large dose of tylenol before your next cholesterol test and then demand a CT scan of your liver to check for liver damage due to the high enzyme levels that show on the test.
Use the national healthcAre system like people use public housing- pee on the carpeting, break the windows, punch holes in the walls, and burn the bulding down while on a crack bender. This will accomplish many things: it will drive costs beyond expectations, and if there is raioning involved, a productive working citizen will get priority over medicare and medicaid patients- leading to people being very upset with the system.
The article had some good points in it, but unfortunately Godwin'd itself early on- not too many people are going to take it seriously.
Good citizens won't need to abuse the public health care system: There will be plenty of people willing to abuse it anyways.
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but, but, it's just so much easer to screan GODWIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and stick my head in the sand
It shows a really embarassing lack of imagination when someone who is on our side starts their argument with:" in 1939 Hitler did X n pwnd millionz of Joos- OMGWTF, Obama iz now doing Y!!!!!!!!!!11111 (1)
Argue your case on its merits, not based on a what-if scenario from 70 years ago, and credibility will be yours.
(1) Sorry if this sounds insensitive to anyone, but I was trying to make a point.
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It shows a really embarassing lack of imagination when someone who is on our side starts their argument with:" in 1939 Hitler did X n pwnd millionz of Joos- OMGWTF, Obama iz now doing Y!!!!!!!!!!11111 (1)
Argue your case on its merits, not based on a what-if scenario from 70 years ago, and credibility will be yours.
(1) Sorry if this sounds insensitive to anyone, but I was trying to make a point.
Why not? Its a basic play from the playbook for radicals. They have been goodwin'ing our side for years.
Don't like welfare? RACIST!
Don't like Health Care reform? Racist!
Etc etc
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Why not? Its a basic play from the playbook for radicals. They have been goodwin'ing our side for years.
Don't like welfare? RACIST!
Don't like Health Care reform? Racist!
Etc etc
The only people who don't see it as being idiotic and foolish are the rank and file leftists.
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The only people who don't see it as being idiotic and foolish are the rank and file leftists.
I wouldn't say they're the only people. We have a fair contingent right here in Politics Place (ever notice how they don't post elsewhere on APS?) who wake up every morning ready to shout "Wolverines!" from the rooftops...
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Oh, there is no need for any kind of revolution.
Nobody] is being oppressed. At all. What-so-ever.
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I wouldn't say they're the only people. We have a fair contingent right here in Politics Place (ever notice how they don't post elsewhere on APS?) who wake up every morning ready to shout "Wolverines!" from the rooftops...
What's wrong with that?
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It gets old the first several dozen times. ;/
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I wouldn't say they're the only people. We have a fair contingent right here in Politics Place (ever notice how they don't post elsewhere on APS?) who wake up every morning ready to shout "Wolverines!" from the rooftops...
I prefer to shout 'tangerines'. It's more tactical. It starts with 't', after all.
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I prefer to shout 'tangerines'. It's more tactical. It starts with 't', after all.
:D
Comparisons of any public figure in the US to Nazis just fall flat because nothing has been done here that even remotely comes close.
Surely, though, there must have been another government in recent history that can be used for comparison. Comparisons of Obama to Jimmy Carter don't work any longer, as Obama has gone far off even Carter's reservation. There has to be something between Carter and Hitler that the public would recognize.
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Comparisons of any public figure in the US to Nazis just fall flat because nothing has been done here that even remotely comes close.
Historical point:
The National Socialist Workers Party praised and emulated policies they learned from studying Woodrow Wilson's record and from observing FDR's administration. (Many of FDR's appointees were Wilson retreads.)
Also, there were many kisses blow in both directions across the Atlantic between FDR's administration, Mussolini's gov't, as well as the National Socialist Workers Party folks in the German gov't. The sloppy trans-Atlantic three-way smootch-fest was curtailed a bit after some ugly Republicans started reading the various journals and called FDR on it.
Truth: Stranger than Godwin.
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Then there was the whole Charles Lindbergh thing...
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Care to expand on that GW98, or were you being facetious?
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"ARMADILLO'S!" shout from rooftop fades away.......
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Google or Wikipedia Lindbergh, particularly his wartime activities.
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Google or Wikipedia Lindbergh, particularly his wartime activities.
It's arguable whether Lindbergh was pro-Nazi in the sense of wanting to organize America on Nazi lines. However, it appears that he believed that the Soviets were a worse threat than the Germans, and was very flattered by the treatment given to him by the Nazis during his visits in Germany, as well as by the importance they assigned to developement of aviation technology.