Post by: Jamisjockey on May 14, 2006, 05:03:10 AM
Post by: Werewolf on May 14, 2006, 05:11:43 AM
What is happening IMO is a situation similar to what happened to PC gaming.
Back in the late 70's at the birth of the PC age PC gamers were on average fairly well to do, educated and dedicated to the hobby type folks. Through the 80's and early 90's PC games that were published reflected that audience. Then in the mid 90's the PC explosion happened and every Tom, Dick and dumbass got a PC.
Now most of the games made pander to the mindless masses, graphics whores and twitch fest crowd.
You're seeing the same thing with THR. Since nine one one more and more people are acquiring firearms for various reasons (a good thing?). A lot of them are looking for information and they stumble into THR. They're a diversified group that does't have the same attitudes, political bent etc as the THR user of even 3 years ago. That is what you are seeing.
I used to play a game called SteelBeasts, a very realistic armor simuluation. Started playing it back in 2000 or so. It could only be purchased on the intenet. The players were mostly 30 or older, serving or ex tankers. When we played online we played it like a tactical simulation. Platoons had a platoon leader and companies had a company commander, and in the rare instance we did Bn level scenarios there was a Bn commander. Players played as units, took orders and in general the game flowed as a wargame should.
Then SteelBeasts went retail and the doom crowd discovered it. Online play rapidly degenerated into free for all shoot em ups. The old timers as we were called became outnumbered by a factor of 100 to 1 and keeping the FPS pukes out of our games became more and more difficult. The mindless masses ruined a great tactical simulation - they did the same thing to the forum.
Same thing is happening on a grander scale to the USA.
Though the moderators of THR are pretty hardcore if they don't wield a very big hammer the culture on THR will change too. Problem with that is I have noticed lately that they are wielding their hammers a bit too freely.
Post by: 280plus on May 14, 2006, 05:21:18 AM
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Then in the mid 90's the PC explosion happened and every Tom, Dick and dumbass got a PC.
Hey! I resemble that remark! Plus my name is neither Tom NOR Dick so I must be... 
I haven't been spending as much time over at THR as I used to. I'll have to start hanging out there more and see what you guys are talking about. I attribute it to just the fact that it has become much wider known and has collected it's share of "undesirables" (for lack of a better word) over the years. I know them poor mods have their hands full trying to keep the lid on it.
Post by: Stickjockey on May 14, 2006, 06:18:01 AM
Post by: ...has left the building. on May 14, 2006, 06:33:23 AM
Post by: jefnvk on May 14, 2006, 06:43:37 AM
For me, it was too many people that just proclaimed that their argument was the golden truth. And if you dared to have a different political opinion than them, you were part of the brainwashed masses who couldn't think for themselves.
Post by: SpookyPistolero on May 14, 2006, 06:58:07 AM
My opinion is that the best way to keep things a little more 'elevated' on THR is to just ignore, for the most part, all the kids. Don't even respond to a thread called 'M16 vs. AK', etc. If they don't get attention my belief is that they'll go elsewhere to find it, or maybe even get a job or pick up a book instead.
There are, however, a few people outside this easy-to-label group, and I won't even read a thread if I know they've contributed to it. Events like an individual trying to explain to me and others how we were 'sold' our weapons, convinced by a salesman to get things that weren't needed, etc., really made me fed up. Jefvnk pretty much nailed that one on the head.
Post by: Ron on May 14, 2006, 07:10:08 AM
I almost started a thread over there called "What shall we do then?"
It is one thing to point out and recognize the problem(s), it is another to offer an alternative to the status quo.
There has been a lot of heat and very little light as of late.
Post by: grampster on May 14, 2006, 08:12:46 AM
Post by: Werewolf on May 14, 2006, 08:28:05 AM
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There is a lot of compaining in L&P about how bad our government is but there is no one offering real alternatives.
Well - some folks have offered suggestions but invariably the suggestions get the thread locked. :/
Post by: Ron on May 14, 2006, 08:49:15 AM
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It looks to me like people from arfcom are finding THR.
You mean people like Bartholomew Roberts? You should qualify that as people from "General Discussion" at arfcom.
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 14, 2006, 09:15:14 AM
Quote from: grampster
I hope the doofusus don't find this place. Shhhhhhhhh.
Too late, I've been here from the beginning.
Post by: Smith on May 14, 2006, 09:32:59 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 14, 2006, 10:27:51 AM
Quote from: Blackburn
Speaking of modding, who should I finger to mod rangereports.com? I don't want to pick the same people who already do TFL and THR.
Maybe it's gunkid's turn for a change.
Post by: K Frame on May 14, 2006, 10:31:55 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 14, 2006, 10:46:41 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 14, 2006, 11:16:32 AM
Post by: Antibubba on May 14, 2006, 12:10:52 PM
"One thing to keep in mind is that this occurrence is fairly seasonal, school has recently let out and all the young-un's, college and high school age, have a lot of free time on their hands."
Spooky nails it.
Post by: grampster on May 14, 2006, 12:59:17 PM
I was not thinking of you at all.
Really, I wasn't. Heh. Seriously I wasn't.I was just hoping that Gunkid would not come back in a new persona.
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 14, 2006, 02:04:11 PM
"John Wesley Hardin, was a friend to the poor;
He travelled with a gun in every hand..."
Post by: 280plus on May 14, 2006, 02:51:38 PM
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So how can we go about helping the Mods keep that lid in place?
Personally. I just try to be a good boy and not make any more work for them. I also try to nip flame wars etc in the bud when I come across them. Last I knew they were inundated with things lke PMs over "Why did you close my thread etc" and last I heard very few of the PMs are of the friendly sort. I give em all a lot of credit for sticking to it.
Post by: Preacherman on May 14, 2006, 06:02:56 PM
I think most of the problem is due to two factors:
1. The rapid expansion of THR. From a new forum just three years ago, we're up to well over 8,000 active members, which is going some. All the newbies haven't yet learned the "High Road" approach to discussion (which we try to teach by example), and some of them never will, I'm afraid. It makes for moderating headaches.
2. The refusal to "toe the line" by many individualists. They insist on saying what they want to say, when, where and how they want to say it. The fact that it may be inappropriate to do so on THR, or wrong to do so in a particular way, doesn't worry them - they just go ahead and do it. Since they won't listen, we have to administer a cluebat fairly repeatedly to get the message through.
It is a major load on moderators . . . some have "burned out" and taken either a sabbatical, or resigned permanently. Those of us still there have brought on new moderators from time to time, and will be doing so again in the near future, I'm sure. But then we have to choose moderators who will hold to the "High Road" standards we've already established, and make sure that all of us are on the same page, so that there's consistency in moderator actions.
It's quite a job . . .
Post by: jefnvk on May 14, 2006, 06:09:35 PM
Post by: SpookyPistolero on May 14, 2006, 06:26:22 PM
Post by: Art Eatman on May 14, 2006, 06:39:53 PM
When you learn who's an offensive clot, use the "Ignore" feature. You don't even see their sarcasm or convoluted thinking.
There are just some people who could set Guinness records for density. Depleted Uranium projectiles would bounce off their skulls like ping-pong balls off concrete.
I started moderating at TFL in 1999and then with THR when we started it. Anybody who sez I ain't got pretty good self control just ain't thinking. So far, though, I haven't fallen into the "He's even tempered. Always mad." category.
The forums about rifles and hunting are play-therapy for me, and I guess they sorta satisfy the school-teacher part of my soul, letting me pass on what I've learned over a bunch of years...
All in all, it's fun.
Art
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 14, 2006, 07:04:35 PM
Quote from: Blackburn
I'm totally lost. You were gunkid?
Hmmm - should I string him along? One of those rare times I want to use an evil smiley.
Post by: SpookyPistolero on May 14, 2006, 07:09:53 PM
Post by: Strings on May 14, 2006, 07:14:10 PM
Not sure what the solution is though: don't want to just start massive bannings...
Post by: HForrest on May 14, 2006, 07:56:40 PM
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My opinion is that the best way to keep things a little more 'elevated' on THR is to just ignore, for the most part, all the kids.
While I like to think I'm not an annoying dumbass at 16, I understand how one could view the adolescents on THR as rambunctious, idiotic fight-starters. I see how such an idea starts when a 14 year-old logs on and posts something like "ZOMGhow do u make a machinegunz?!111" or "Mr. Loud Guns" signs up (remember that little *expletive deleted*bag?) and tells us about his totally cool .50 BMG rifle. I do think, however, that the more seasoned youth posters on THR are respectable, intellegent, and can contribute to the community as much as any adult.
Post by: Winston Smith on May 14, 2006, 08:06:16 PM
THR's just too big for me now.
Post by: SpookyPistolero on May 14, 2006, 08:11:05 PM
Didn't know about the 'clownie award' either, Hunter. It's surprising that it didn't have much effect on weeding out the 'tards. Or maybe not...
Post by: Strings on May 14, 2006, 09:00:37 PM
Not sure I'd want the job of mod on either forum. The pagan forum I mod on has been a cake-walk: NOBODY really causes trouble there (been a mod for three years now, and I've had to step on ONE person). Only real issue we have is spam bots...
Post by: 280plus on May 15, 2006, 02:48:02 AM
Post by: Art Eatman on May 15, 2006, 04:46:41 AM
The only problem a lot of young folks have is that they just haven't had time to accumulate the mileage and experience of Old Farts. And a lot of Old Farts accumulated the mileage but without paying attention along the way. Face to face, it doesn't take long to figure out what some person's all about, but on the Internet all you have is what's typed.
So, I just go by the internal logic of somebody's argument, and whether or not there is consistency over a period of time...
, Art
Post by: Declaration Day on May 15, 2006, 05:53:38 AM
Everywhere you go, you'll find people who don't understand the value of treating others with respect. All I can suggest is that you not interact with them, and try your best not to be like them.
Post by: cosine on May 15, 2006, 11:41:11 AM
Quote from: Preacherman
We've taken certain steps, like issuing warnings to some of our more blatant offenders, and will probably be doing a large-scale prune of the worst of them in the not too distant future.
Uhoh. I better lay low and stay off the radar for a while.
Post by: jefnvk on May 15, 2006, 12:21:30 PM
Post by: Ex-MA Hole on May 15, 2006, 04:29:57 PM
I read some, but rarely post.
Too much BS. Without sounding like an ass-kiss, I don't know how the mods do it. I couldn't.
I tend to post more here, now. I find that this is sort of the "old THR".
Same people, and occasional gun thread, not as many newbies with useless comments. The "Good" ones tend to find their way here.
I have an 18 month old, I don't have time for BS.
Post by: garrettwc on May 15, 2006, 06:23:32 PM
I limit my 'net usage to checking in here a couple of times during the day and on one gun forum that has an equally small and tight knit group as we have here.
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 15, 2006, 07:03:40 PM
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one gun forum that has an equally small and tight knit group as we have here.
Hey, can I play? I just want to share my uninformed gun opinions and then hurl invective at the dirty Glock-lovers and such-like. Please?
Post by: Art Eatman on May 16, 2006, 05:10:02 AM
Generally, the bashing comes from folks whose style and tone of commentary indicates that they're extremely interested in their self-defined rights and have no interest in any sort of responsibility for the consequences of their behavior. I limit this to those who bash; there is a distinct difference between bashing and discussing. Neither I nor any of the cops of THL condone bad behavior on the part of LEOs.
However, note that a commanlity of bashing in general--illegals, liberals, cops, Mexicans, gays--is that the posters speak of any such group in an all-inclusive manner. Again, the key word is "some".
My opinion about some
of these guys is that if their IQ ever hits 50, they oughta sell.Art
Post by: K Frame on May 16, 2006, 05:48:19 AM
And from a subclass of that group that apparently believes that their rights are the only rights that exist.
In a situation that demands that their rights be balanced against the rights of another individual? No one else has any rights, so (^&()()&*% them and the horse they rode in on.
My favorite member of that subclass is the individual (Mr. My Rights are Absolute) who wants absolute license to do anything/everything he wants on his property without regard for his neighbors, but god forbid one of those rightless carbon blobs do anything that might even marginally annoy Mr. My Rights are Absolute.
They're the individuals who just can never quite comprehend that the Founders didn't write the Constitution just for their personal use, or that the Founders never considered any right to be absolute.
Post by: Art Eatman on May 16, 2006, 07:29:48 AM
Post by: doczinn on May 16, 2006, 07:47:00 AM
Rights do not have to be "balanced against the rights of another individual." If there is a conflict someone is in the wrong. If we're talking property values, then you don't have a right to live next to a house, owned by me, that looks the way you think it should look. Of course, if by buying the house I voluntarily placed myself under contractual obligation to follow the rules of the HOA, then doing whatever I want to that house is no longer a right.
But you seem like the type who claims a "right" not to be offended by what color I paint my house, or where I park my car.
Post by: garrettwc on May 16, 2006, 07:51:24 AM
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Hey, can I play? I just want to share my uninformed gun opinions and then hurl invective at the dirty Glock-lovers and such-like. Please?
Sure, if you don't mind confining all your posts to things related to 1911 pistols. http://forum.m1911.org
Post by: Gewehr98 on May 16, 2006, 07:53:08 AM
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They're the individuals who just can never quite comprehend that the Founders didn't write the Constitution just for their personal use, or that the Founders never considered any right to be absolute.
I'm guilty of bashing HOA's, a pet peeve of Mike's. I freely and openly confess to doing so, but only because I've lived in, and will continue to live in locations where neighbors still have common sense and display courtesy for each other. Evidently that may be a rare quality amongst homeowners, and the HOA may indeed be a necessary evil when the former qualities are lacking. Luckily, that's not the case in my little slice of the world, including the small farm homestead I'm putting a bid on right now. But I'm not one to declare my rights are exclusive to the detriment of other's rights - no way.However, I am curious about that statement about the Founders never considering any right to be absolute. How would that fit in with the 2nd Amendment?
As for the prevailing mood at THR, I've throttled way back on my discussions there. I'll read the forums, maybe contribute a little here or there, but definitely stay out of Legal and Political. It gets nasty in there. Lord forbid somebody mention Massad Ayoob, it'll degenerate quickly, and if DNS shows up to shred Mr. Ayoob, it doesn't take long for the mods to lock it down.
Post by: K Frame on May 16, 2006, 08:41:40 AM
Here's a conceptual clue, Doc.
No, I didn't forget the second part.
Know why?
Because those people who believe that everyone's rights are absolute aren't the bastard arseholes I'm talking about.
Notice the dichotomy that I laid out in my post?
The "Me God, you fecal matter of the lowest order" stance taken by some people as a defense of their rights?
"Rights do not have to be "balanced against the rights of another individual." If there is a conflict someone is in the wrong."
So, in other words, you agree with the Supreme Court that speech defined as hate speech isn't a protected right under the First Amendment? I suppose that's why courts have been struggling with that particular issue for going on 40 years now.
"However, I am curious about that statement about the Founders never considering any right to be absolute. How would that fit in with the 2nd Amendment?"
While the framers gave us the 2nd Amendment, some of the framers also gave us laws that restricted possession of firearms in some states. Free slaves, for example. Free men under the law were forbidden from owning firearms in a number of states. There were also laws in some states early on that prohibited possession of firearms in churchs. Both would appear to be, on their face, infringements on the 2nd Amendment.
"I freely and openly confess to doing so, but only because I've lived in, and will continue to live in locations where neighbors still have common sense and display courtesy for each other."
That's certainly a noble aim, one which I hope you're able to achieve. What happens, though, when you finally land in your dream home and in a year or two you get a new neighbor who decides to open a pig farm, a smelter, or some other incredibly invasive activity on his property, one that could likely have a dramatic impact on the value of your property? At that point, whose right in property is absolute? And yes, the right of personal activities on private property is one that shows up repeatedly in the courts.
Post by: mtnbkr on May 16, 2006, 09:23:23 AM
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What happens, though, when you finally land in your dream home and in a year or two you get a new neighbor who decides to open a pig farm, a smelter, or some other incredibly invasive activity on his property, one that could likely have a dramatic impact on the value of your property? At that point, whose right in property is absolute? And yes, the right of personal activities on private property is one that shows up repeatedly in the courts.
My grandmother had to deal with something like this. She lives in rural NC, outside of Goldsboro (Air Force folks will recognize this as the home of Seymore Johnson AFB). A couple decades ago, a guy started a turkey farm across the main road from her house. It was at least 200yds away and wasn't an eyesore, but the smell was quite potent at times. Keep in mind, she had been at this location for nearly 30years prior to this guy showing up. Because he had a "right" to use his property as he saw fit, should she leave her home of 30 years in order to accomodate his wishes?FWIW, the "suburbs" have been growing out in their direction and are now nearby.
Also FWIW, the farm shut down recently. I have no idea why. The smell remains, though at a reduced level.
I personally have no problem with people trying to use their property as they see fit, but good neighbors try to live in harmony with people around them and not use their property in ways completely out of sync with everyone else. In most of the areas I've seen with HOAs, the population density is such that a person wishing to paint their house hot pink or let it crumble around them has a distinct and noticeable effect on the properties around them. We're not talking about 2-10acre lots in the country, but 1/8th (and smaller) acre lots in what is barely suburban, almost urban areas.
That said, any person new to HOAs is given ample opportunity to inspect the covenants. At least in Va, disagreement with an HOA's rules is a perfectly acceptable excuse for getting out of a purchase contract. When I bought our home, I was given a copy of the rules and plenty of time to read and understand them. My realtor told me in no uncertain terms that I was to cancel the contract if I thought I would have a problem with the HOA. I have yet to have any issues with their rules as they're pretty reasonable and deny actions that I wouldn't take in a neighborhood like this regardless of the "rules".
Chris
Post by: K Frame on May 16, 2006, 10:39:54 AM
Nope. I'm done.
Post by: Gewehr98 on May 16, 2006, 10:50:53 AM
Regarding the turkey farm, it wouldn't bother me in the least. I earned my college tuition working on chicken (egg) and dairy farms, it's a part of living and working in farm country. You want something evil, be downwind of the rendering plant in Omaha, Nebraska while preflighting a 4-engine heavy reconnaissance jet prior to takeoff at Offutt AFB. I darned near filled an air sickness bag before we even started engines. I eventually discovered the wing commander there will actually request the rendering plant cease operations if there's an outdoor presentation or ceremony on a given morning. The rendering plant usually complies with the request.
Post by: 280plus on May 16, 2006, 11:29:47 AM
OK, back to the original topic...
Post by: grampster on May 16, 2006, 12:01:50 PM
All the yuppy bastards have discovered this part of the county and are building million dollar homes and large pud home developments with huge homes on 2-3 acre parcels. Those slugs are now suing her and trying to get the court to shut down her mining operation because they don't like the trucks, the noise and the dust. This same gang of plutocrats tried to stop the building of a large water tower on the property of the new high school in the area. They lost that one. Oh, they tried to stop the building of the school too. The State Police wanted to put a large tower for a repeater so they'd get good com in that part of the state. They resisted that too. These are all people who came into the area after plans had been made for all of the above. So far they are 0-3. I really don't care for folks like that.
I hope the court throws these cretins out of court and makes them pay for her legal expenses and her trouble.
Post by: Ron on May 16, 2006, 12:17:39 PM
Every thread becomes a kitty box for the Libertarian Clown Posse.
My GERD is bad enough without subjecting myself to their nauseating Bush bashing.
They are an awful arrogant bunch considering they cannot compete in the free market of ideas. If they could we would see some viable candidates out of them.
Bunch of crybabies.
Post by: doczinn on May 16, 2006, 12:35:55 PM
Quote from: DocZinn
Rights do not have to be "balanced against the rights of another individual." If there is a conflict someone is in the wrong.
Nope. The person in the wrong is the one trying to get the state to force someone to shut up just because they feel offended.Quote from: Mike Irwin
So, in other words, you agree with the Supreme Court that speech defined as hate speech isn't a protected right under the First Amendment?
Eyesores are one thing, but an extremely noxious smell drifting onto my property might be a violation of my rights. It's a sticky issue at that point, but I'd compare it to runoff or other kinds of air pollution.
Of course, if the turkey farm was there first, then no-one has a right to say anything.
Post by: Antibubba on May 16, 2006, 06:50:47 PM
. A lot of them are simply ignorant, both about guns and civil rules of discussion. THR is a great place to learn both.I don't think about it much, but all of us are Moderators at THR. Any one of us can alert the mods to a thread headed south. I tend to ignore blatant rudeness online-the information superhighway has a lot of trash tossed out the windows, and I've grown accustomed to it. but THR is like my yard, and I need to make more of an effort to keep it clean. So. I resolve to be more vigilant about Low-Roaders when I'm there. If I can advise, I will. But if they don't get the idea, I'll let a Mod know.
Post by: Sindawe on May 16, 2006, 10:19:26 PM
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As for the prevailing mood at THR, I've throttled way back on my discussions there. I'll read the forums, maybe contribute a little here or there, but definitely stay out of Legal and Political. It gets nasty in there.
:blink blink: It does? I guess its a matter of perspective. L&P on THR is Romper Room compared to some of the "discourse" I've seen and participated in on Usenet.
Post by: 280plus on May 17, 2006, 12:53:27 AM
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I don't think about it much, but all of us are Moderators at THR.
I liken it to a bar that takes care of itself, where everybody is the bouncer. Whoever's closest to the melee is the one to push the offender(s) out the back door.
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 17, 2006, 02:08:36 AM
Post by: Brian Williams on May 17, 2006, 03:46:31 AM
better known as
Barf.com and erich's Locktalk
I like THR still, I just stay out of the posts that sound like they are loonies
Post by: buzz_knox on May 17, 2006, 03:48:19 AM
Quote from: Art Eatman
Balckburn, if folks would just learn to use the word "some" when talking about misdeeds of law enforcement people, we wouldn't have to use the term "bashing". some of our more cretinous creatures, however, take one event and try to make us believe that it is representative of "all" LEOs.
Generally, the bashing comes from folks whose style and tone of commentary indicates that they're extremely interested in their self-defined rights and have no interest in any sort of responsibility for the consequences of their behavior. I limit this to those who bash; there is a distinct difference between bashing and discussing. Neither I nor any of the cops of THL condone bad behavior on the part of LEOs.
However, note that a commanlity of bashing in general--illegals, liberals, cops, Mexicans, gays--is that the posters speak of any such group in an all-inclusive manner. Again, the key word is "some".
My opinion about some of these guys is that if their IQ ever hits 50, they oughta sell.
Art
Art, "some" of us have tried the "some" approach. I always do. We've also been labelled as cop bashing trolls right off the bat, even when the post specifically limited to the issue of bad conduct.Generally, the bashing comes from folks whose style and tone of commentary indicates that they're extremely interested in their self-defined rights and have no interest in any sort of responsibility for the consequences of their behavior. I limit this to those who bash; there is a distinct difference between bashing and discussing. Neither I nor any of the cops of THL condone bad behavior on the part of LEOs.
However, note that a commanlity of bashing in general--illegals, liberals, cops, Mexicans, gays--is that the posters speak of any such group in an all-inclusive manner. Again, the key word is "some".
My opinion about some
of these guys is that if their IQ ever hits 50, they oughta sell.Art
And while I know you don't condone bad behavior, I don't think that applies universally. At least one cop on THR has openly stated he'd support a cop's actions, regardless of any other factor. On TFL, we've had the pleasure of a cop stating that one of the problems with crime is that cop killers weren't killed on the way to the police station.
Post by: Ben on May 17, 2006, 04:24:10 AM
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At least one cop on THR has openly stated he'd support a cop's actions, regardless of any other factor.
Don't forget the infamous "empty coffee can" incident..... I know, I'm not helping. But it WAS pretty comical.
Post by: Oleg Volk on May 17, 2006, 04:58:37 AM
Post by: mtnbkr on May 17, 2006, 05:12:54 AM
Chris
Post by: Art Eatman on May 17, 2006, 06:24:29 AM
I have a helluva lot more stories about good-guy cops than aholes, though.
I guess it's folks with an absolutist and rigid mindset on ANY subject that make up a group that's just flat-out intolerable to me. Self-righteousness. They're always right and everybody else is always wrong. It seems to me that this sort generally leads the way in sarcasm, making them doubly intolerable.
So I avoid carrying coffee cans with me.
Art
Post by: French G. on May 17, 2006, 06:39:44 AM
Real world example. I live on 50 acres, I have a road that passes about 300 yards over person A's property. Person B also has right of way on A's road, as well as about 400 yards of my road. The maintenance agreement stipulates we handle all the costs(long story) and gives person B, their heirs and future buyers a 13ft right of way.(not enough by ordinance to subdivide their 200 acres, play mean with me and we play back) Anyways, We bought our land from B's brother. Brother who hasn't spoken to him in 30 years. All of the land was in the family since 18whatever. B and his troublemaking kid think they own our road and somehow did us a favor by holding up our land purchase for two weeks, running off contractors, and such. I talked to them, it may have had an effect, they have been quiet for 7 months. Usually though, much like the BUSH BAD! crowd, or the cops bad, or the cops good crowd, these cats were blind, and I mean Ray Charles got a stick and sunglasses blind to logic. You can explain how to be a good neighbor, state law, or forum rules to them and it has no effect, except for them to recycle all their babble. Community standards, recognizing others rights to exist and think freely, what's that? Idiots abound, ban them, get no trespass orders like I did, and keep them guessing about just how mad they make you. Me, I open carry at home and have the random target practice session. What is the virtual equivalent? I suggest that we have a banned members forum, the mod makes a post about who got banned, why he got banned, how mad it makes the mod, then locks it. Visible and ugly carnage.
Post by: Art Eatman on May 17, 2006, 07:21:09 AM
Public banning? No. That's insulting. That's wasting time and psychic energy over Small Stuff. Pointless. I don't take out a newspaper ad if I'm forced to eject somebody from a party at my house...
Art
Post by: Strings on May 17, 2006, 07:51:47 AM
That board has 2446 members, split up among several fora. THR has 27,445. Maybe we shouldn't be complaining about how incivil THR has become, but marveling that it has remained as civil as it has?
Post by: buzz_knox on May 17, 2006, 07:57:59 AM
Quote from: Art Eatman
I guess it's folks with an absolutist and rigid mindset on ANY subject that make up a group that's just flat-out intolerable to me. Self-righteousness. They're always right and everybody else is always wrong. It seems to me that this sort generally leads the way in sarcasm, making them doubly intolerable.
Amen. Neither side has a monopoly on self-righteous morons. It's just incredibly sad that we have sides at all.
Post by: Strings on May 17, 2006, 10:55:02 AM
Just out of curiosity, how so?
Post by: Old Fud on May 17, 2006, 04:33:44 PM
They happen to be people I respect.
They are doing an exceptional job.
Don't mess with success!!
Oleg, Don't let the noise get you down.
I wandered into a couple other forums (besides THR/TFL) recently and came flying out of them faster than I went in. The chest-thumping personal-slamming foul-mouthed nastiness I found just about everywhere else was shocking.
But what that meant is that I have had it good over here. I know that.
And appreciate it.
Thank you to both you and your team.
Fud
Errr, one small grouse I'd like to air.
I really NEED to know what happened to our purple gorilla!
Post by: cosine on May 17, 2006, 04:35:27 PM
Quote from: Old Fud
Errr, one small grouse I'd like to air.
I really NEED to know what happened to our purple gorilla!
So, I'm not the only one left hanging in anticipation. I really NEED to know what happened to our purple gorilla!
Post by: grampster on May 17, 2006, 04:55:24 PM
I lurk over there just for fun nowadays. I'm a firearm enthusiast, though not as deeply involved in it as some are, so I don't like to reveal my ignorance, though I do from time to time. heh. ( I just like to shoot for the fun of it, don't have a range nearby, so I use forest land.) I teach my grandkids how to shoot. I do a little hunting. I'd rather learn for my own sake. I think that's what THR is for. A place for curious folks to learn.
The problem with L & P and the General forum is that's where we catch the curious. It did me. So the converesation should be adult and proper and factual.
Frankly, I don't know what you could do additionally to those forums to sanitize things so curious non shooters or people intrigued with firearms and freedom are not turned off.
I just ignore snot fests. But then I've learned to. But the purpose is to engage and encourage non gunners.
So I guess the mods should just dump threads, posts or ban folks who step outside the boundaries of the rules. If that is done consistently and long enough, maybe some folks will get a clue.
Post by: cosine on May 17, 2006, 05:09:36 PM
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