Has H.S. Precision suffered after the venomous rage of gun owners?

[Perd Hapley]

But not buying from them, and hating them are 2 different things.  Hating them is something I'm not prepared to do based off such scarce real information.

Who told you to hate them?  Boycotting and letter-writing isn't hatred; it's peaceful protest.  I'd be perfectly willing to agree with your rational skepticism of exactly what happened at Ruby Ridge.  I don't claim to know what happened, either.  But the accusation of hatred is not the most cleanly objective tactic on your part, either. 


Werewolf,

Zumbo is back on the air, apparently, yes.  But only after crawling to Ted Nugent on his hands and knees, kissing the ring, and groveling in repentance.  Not that I like Ted Nugent all that much, but the point is that Zumbo got spanked real good and hard, by regular folks at their keyboards, and other gun-writers learned that they WILL NOT publicly disrespect our rights, if they want to keep their jobs.  From what I gather, Zumbo is still fired from Outdoor Life.

AJ Dual is dead right about forcing Zumbo to agree with us, whether he means it or not.  That is exactly what we should expect from our politicians, too.  I may not be able to change a politician's private views, but if he will represent my view, fight for my view, in the statehouse/Capitol Building, then he is doing his job. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

in fact?  that woulda been unusual for her.  she went armed to the store and she was unarmed during a seige of her house?

[Tuco]

in fact?  that woulda been unusual for her.  she went armed to the store and she was unarmed during a seige of her house?

Give it a break, daddy. 
 
This ain't about you and how right you are.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

810 Gritz was asked during this inquiry whether, at any point leading up to Harris' surrender, he had detected odors associated with a dead body. Gritz said that he had not detected such odors and explained that he was very familiar with the odor of death, due to extensive service in Viet Nam. Gritz retired from the Special Forces at the rank of Lieutenant Colonel in 1979.

Soon after Harris' surrender, Gritz persuaded Weaver to allow him and Jackie Brown to come inside the residence and remove Vicki Weaver's body. He obtained a body bag and, with Randy Weaver's assistance, placed Vicki Weaver's body in the bag. Gritz detected only minimal odor and was unable to explain why the very recognizable odor usually associated with a several-day-old corpse had not permeated the residence. When Gritz placed the body in the bag, he removed what he described as a holstered nine millimeter semi-automatic pistol.

http://www.byington.org/Carl/ruby/ruby4h.htm

[HankB]

Note that the Feds paid a settlement in excess of $3,000,000 to the Weaver family . . . if Horiuchi & Company were in the right, the Feds would've spent 10x that amount fighting it in Federal court.

But it's hard to defend the indefensible . . .

[buzz_knox]

Note that the Feds paid a settlement in excess of $3,000,000 to the Weaver family . . . if Horiuchi & Company were in the right, the Feds would've spent 10x that amount fighting it in Federal court.

But it's hard to defend the indefensible . . .

That would be because the rules of engagement under which Weaver was shot were universally described (including by the FBI) as illegal on their face, and befitting a war zone, not a law enforcement action.  It became embarrassing when it was clear agents on hand didn't spend a moment questioning the unlawful orders.  Individuals who knew Horiuchi before the shooting have said that he was looking to make his bones by killing someone, and I suspect that DOJ came across his reputation and decided that it was best to pay rather than letting that get out.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Individuals who knew Horiuchi before the shooting have said that he was looking to make his bones by killing someone,


really?  thats the first time i ever heard  THAT one.  and there are some doozeys out there

[buzz_knox]

On second thought, he's not worth rehashing again.

[jackdanson]

Someone on THR claims they knew him too from the military... said he "wasn't surprised" he shot unarmed people.  Although that could have been complete BS, but I think it was someone w/ 2k+ posts and no real reason to lie.

[AJ Dual]

Someone on THR claims they knew him too from the military... said he "wasn't surprised" he shot unarmed people.  Although that could have been complete BS, but I think it was someone w/ 2k+ posts and no real reason to lie.

I've heard lots of anecdotal third-hand tales as well that Horiuchi was a callous jerk as well.

However, considering the events he's tied to, it's all very suspect. Human memory is rather malleable, despite all our personal convictions otherwise. For all we know he was a perfectly amiable normal guy who had a bad day or said something regrettable like most anyone would. Then after Ruby Ridge, people who had personal experience of him may have edited their memories, or what stuck out to them to "fit" his new public persona of murderous sniper, etc.

That's not to say he wasn't a class A-1 jerk either. Just that there's no verifiable way to know, unless someone's got a letter, memo, or recording of him saying he was really interested in what killing someone would be like.

[HankB]

Saw on another forum that the H-S Precision booth at the SHOT show wasn't seeing much traffic . . . a few people were stopping by and looking to see if the Horiuchi endorsement was present in their literature.

It wasn't . . . but I guess a few people let it be known to the guys in the booth that using Horiuchi was a truly odious action. (No word on their response.)