Army adopts SIG P320

[T.O.M.]

Handled a p320 today.  It felt pretty good to me, but I like the SIG grip angle.  I would put a Hogue grip sleeve on if it was mine.  Light weight.  Compared to my Glock, it would be easier to get a gloved trigger finger in the trigger guard.  I think the Army could have done worse...if it is as durable as it is claimed to be.  My $.02 worth.

[dogmush]

You don't have to turn it in to the armory when you go off shift?

I'm a Reserveist, so I usually draw my weapon for a weekend at a time.  We only open the arms room twice on drills where we are shooting.  The soldiers keep their weapons for the whole weekend.  But even once it's turned in, it's my weapon, no one else uses it.  On Deployments I have my M9 the whole time.

I have put first Crimson Traces, and then I switched to Pachmeyer grips on my M9 without an issue. Plenty of my troops have personal accessories on their M4's. (grips, slings and the like)  No one really messes with it.

[MechAg94]

Handled a p320 today.  It felt pretty good to me, but I like the SIG grip angle.  I would put a Hogue grip sleeve on if it was mine.  Light weight.  Compared to my Glock, it would be easier to get a gloved trigger finger in the trigger guard.  I think the Army could have done worse...if it is as durable as it is claimed to be.  My $.02 worth.

That is pretty much my feeling.  From all reports, it is a good pistol.  The modularity might actually be a good match to the military supply system since the serial numbered part is the trigger and mechanism that fits in the frame. 

I passed up the P320 compact to get my current carry gun.  I may come back later and pick one up.  We will see. 

[lee n. field]

Does anyone but us gunnies make such a big fuss over this?  Do off-road types get hyped up over a Humvee replacement?  Foodies about field rations?

[Fly320s]

I'm a Reserveist, so I usually draw my weapon for a weekend at a time.  We only open the arms room twice on drills where we are shooting.  The soldiers keep their weapons for the whole weekend.  But even once it's turned in, it's my weapon, no one else uses it.  On Deployments I have my M9 the whole time.

I have put first Crimson Traces, and then I switched to Pachmeyer grips on my M9 without an issue. Plenty of my troops have personal accessories on their M4's. (grips, slings and the like)  No one really messes with it.

Wait a sec.  If your draw your weapon for a drill weekend, you take it home with you?  And others take their rifles home?

[T.O.M.]

Does anyone but us gunnies make such a big fuss over this?  Do off-road types get hyped up over a Humvee replacement?  Foodies about field rations?

I know that car junkies get into the selected vehicles, for different reasons.  They get excited about the possibility of a civilian version being made available for sale.  Foodies?  They laugh at MREs, make jokes about them, and refuse to eat them. 

I think gun people just like to debate gun stuff.  Back when I got into guns, in the 80s, the big debate was 9mm vs. .45 ACP vs. .357 Magnum for defensive use.  There was also the 1911 vs. DA autos, and revolver vs. auto for defensive/duty use.  Now, the great caliber war continues, though not as hotly contested.  Revolver vs. auto is over.  And the 1911 vs. all other autos will live on forever. 

[MechAg94]

I know that car junkies get into the selected vehicles, for different reasons.  They get excited about the possibility of a civilian version being made available for sale.  Foodies?  They laugh at MREs, make jokes about them, and refuse to eat them. 

I think gun people just like to debate gun stuff.  Back when I got into guns, in the 80s, the big debate was 9mm vs. .45 ACP vs. .357 Magnum for defensive use.  There was also the 1911 vs. DA autos, and revolver vs. auto for defensive/duty use.  Now, the great caliber war continues, though not as hotly contested.  Revolver vs. auto is over.  And the 1911 vs. all other autos will live on forever. 

I think internet discussion boards allowed a lot more people to witness those debates and participate.  It also allowed a whole lot of the bad information that was floating around to be brought to light and refuted or explained.  I also remember the AR vs AK wars.  There were tons of old rumors and hearsay from Vietnam, etc about the M16 and AK that got brought up.  I am sure I didn't see all of it.  I haven't seen some of that come up in years.

I still saw the one about unloading your magazines to rest the springs pop up not to long ago. 

[wmenorr67]

Wait a sec.  If your draw your weapon for a drill weekend, you take it home with you?  And others take their rifles home?

I imagine that they would only be drawing them when they are going to the "field" where they will be overnight and not returning home.  The whole two days(8 hours) a month is bullshit.  There are more times than not we report in at 6 pm Friday night and are't leaving to go home until 5 pm Sunday.

[dogmush]

Wait a sec.  If your draw your weapon for a drill weekend, you take it home with you?  And others take their rifles home?

I imagine that they would only be drawing them when they are going to the "field" where they will be overnight and not returning home.  The whole two days(8 hours) a month is bullshit.  There are more times than not we report in at 6 pm Friday night and are't leaving to go home until 5 pm Sunday.

Yep, what he said.  Our ranges are usually rolled into a bunch of other stuff.  Usually at least a Thurs-Sun field problem or exercise. Obviously different units are run differently, but as a watercraft guy (low-density, high operational tempo, lots of stuff to get underway) I haven't done a "Only sat-Sun, go home at night" drill since about 2005.

[MillCreek]

Revolver vs. auto is over. 

From previous posts, I know that a lot of us here still carry revolvers occasionally, if not frequently. 

[T.O.M.]

From previous posts, I know that a lot of us here still carry revolvers occasionally, if not frequently. 

I do, too.  But I haven't read a real argument about full sized auto versus full sized revolver as fighting tools in a very long time.  I think that the reliability of modern semiauto handguns has pretty much brought that argument to an end.

[just Warren]

I think gun people just like to debate gun stuff. 

Damn straight! In fact my Smith & GLOCK .9MM is way better than your Beretta Blackhawk!

[lee n. field]

I do, too.  But I haven't read a real argument about full sized auto versus full sized revolver as fighting tools in a very long time.  I think that the reliability of modern semiauto handguns has pretty much brought that argument to an end.

"Revolver vs. Auto shootout!" used to be a staple of the gun rags, something that would come up every couple years.  I haven't seen it in a while.  But, I haven't read a gun magazine in quite a while.

[just Warren]

Bring back the harmonica gun!

[MechAg94]

Damn straight! In fact my Smith & GLOCK .9MM is way better than your Beretta Blackhawk!

What about the 50 mm rifle? 

[Devonai]

I imagine that they would only be drawing them when they are going to the "field" where they will be overnight and not returning home.  The whole two days(8 hours) a month is bullshit.  There are more times than not we report in at 6 pm Friday night and are't leaving to go home until 5 pm Sunday.

You forgot the dreaded MUTA 6!

[Firethorn]

I know that car junkies get into the selected vehicles, for different reasons.  They get excited about the possibility of a civilian version being made available for sale.  Foodies?  They laugh at MREs, make jokes about them, and refuse to eat them.

Actually, they tend to make eating them challenges.  Like getting a bucket of ice water dumped on you, shaving your head, or running in a marathon while wearing a gas mask.

What about the 50 mm rifle?

30 rounds in half a second!

[wmenorr67]

You forgot the dreaded MUTA 6!

We don't do those often enough.  We usually will do MUTA 5's when 6's would be so much better in the long run, more training time available.

Currently we do have a group doing MUTA 6's since they are preparing for a trip overseas.