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Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« on: May 27, 2009, 11:56:34 PM »
I don't think that I will be counted in this census if I get one of these questioniers. 


Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
Mandatory Census survey inquires about citizens' difficulty undressing, bathing
Posted: May 27, 2009
11:00 pm Eastern
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=99337

By Chelsea Schilling



The federal government is forcing 3 million Americans to disclose sensitive, personal information about finances, health and lifestyle in a 14-page survey – including questions about availability of household flush toilets and difficulty with undressing and bathing.

The 2009 American Community Survey, an annual supplement to the decennial Census, asks about residents' personal relationships and whether a home has hot and cold running water, a flush toilet, bathing facilities, appliances and phone services. It also asks how many rooms are in a home and what vehicles are used at each household.

The new questionnaire asks respondents what they pay for electricity, gas, water and sewer every month and whether residents receive food stamps.

Question 16 asks, "About how much do you think this house and lot, apartment, or mobile home would sell for if it were for sale?"

Respondents are required to disclose costs associated with rent or mortgage, annual real estate taxes on and fire, hazard and flood insurance expenses.

For each person in the household, the questionnaire asks for citizenship status, education level, whether that person attends private or public schools. It also features questions about health coverage, hearing and vision impairment and physical, mental or emotional conditions.

It asks if residents "have difficulty dressing or bathing" or "doing errands alone such as visiting a doctor's office or shopping" or whether they have difficulty making decisions. Respondents must indicate if they have served in the military, their current marital status and whether they have been married or given birth to children in the last 12 months. The Census Bureau claims its question is used as a "measure of fertility" and is used to "carry out various programs required by statute, including … conducting research for voluntary family planning programs."

The letter asks where residents worked last week and whether they drove a car, rode a bus, subway railroad, ferryboat, taxicab or bicycle to get there. It then asks what time they left for work and how long their commute lasted.

Respondents are also required to disclose their place of employment, duties and income.

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While many recipients may consider the questionnaire to be tedious and meddling, the Census Bureau warns that citizens are required by law to complete it and may be fined as much as $5,000 for willfully refusing. While an individual may feel uneasy about answering each question truthfully, the fine for filing false information can be as much as $500.

The Census Bureau estimates that the form takes an average of 38 minutes for each household to complete.

While the U.S. Constitution allows Americans to be counted for purposes of taxation and political representation, Jim Harper, a privacy expert at the Cato Institute, told the New York Post the survey is "a classic example of mission creep over the decades – this constitutional need to literally count how many noses are in the United States has turned into a vast data-collection operation."

Rep. Ron Paul blasted the government for spending "hundreds of millions of dollars" on the survey and called the questionnaire "insulting" in his Texas Straight Talk column.

"The questions are both ludicrous and insulting," he wrote. "The survey asks, for instance, how many bathrooms you have in your house, how many miles you drive to work, how many days you were sick last year, and whether you have trouble getting up stairs. It goes on and on, mixing inane questions with highly detailed inquiries about your financial affairs. One can only imagine the countless malevolent ways our federal bureaucrats could use this information. At the very least the survey will be used to dole out pork, which is reason enough to oppose it."

Paul continued, "The founders never authorized the federal government to continuously survey the American people. More importantly, they never envisioned a nation where the people would roll over and submit to every government demand. The American Community Survey is patently offensive to all Americans who still embody that fundamental American virtue, namely a healthy mistrust of government. "

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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2009, 12:05:30 AM »
Does it have to actually flush before I can answer "Yes"?

Are my answers as "protected" as the info I give on my tax returns?  What happens if they find out my expenses are greater than my income?

And yes, we have gone over this before.  http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=19425.0  You can be fined and/or jailed for refusing to respond.

I think I'm going to let one of the voices in my head deal with the census questionaire.

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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2009, 04:51:04 AM »
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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2009, 08:21:42 AM »
Same questions as on the "long form" I got during the last census . . . which also wanted to know what time I left for work each morning, and, IIRC, what time I came home. (Yeah, sure, I'm going to tell someone when the house is empty.)

I honestly answered the question about how many people lived in my home, and left the rest blank. Never heard anything more.
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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2009, 10:31:42 AM »
And............ACORN is going to be handling this, one of the biggest crime familys in the country....................chris3

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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2009, 10:40:36 AM »
And they need to know all this...why exactly?
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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2009, 10:40:46 AM »
I'd tell them I poop in a 5 gallon bucket, bag my poop and throw it away at work.

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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2009, 11:47:20 AM »
And they need to know all this...why exactly?

I'm thinking it ties into the GW/CC crusade this administration is on. 
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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2009, 11:17:44 PM »
I am so looking forward to getting the long form =D =D =D.
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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2009, 11:23:03 PM »
I scared the *expletive deleted*it out of a census worker verifying addresses a while back.

I'm looking forward to the next time they stop by.  =D

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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2009, 11:29:08 PM »
My folks got the long form in 2000 as well as in 1990, there were these types of questions on it then, too.

I'm sure our lords and masters have a really good reason for wanting this information from the proles.
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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2009, 02:06:58 AM »
Here's a link to the questionnaire:

http://www.prb.org/Census2010/AboutACS.aspx

Is is odd anyone should find it just a bit intrusive?

I note there are questions on veteran status.  After the release of the infamous Homeland Security bulletin about veterans being "possible" national security threats, should I be worried about answering that?



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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2009, 04:06:19 AM »
I don't understand how these questions are actually useful for much of anything. Is it basically for the creation of doom and gloom statistics?

I can see merit to some of the questions (4 or 5) but the rest don't seem important to the future of this country (or they seem like they could be used to distract citizens from actual issues).

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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2009, 05:43:36 AM »
I'm sure our lords and masters have a really good reason for wanting this information from the proles.

Send a copy to each of your senators and your rep.  Insist that, if they need so much information about you, it's only fair that you have all the same information about them.  Then demand that the census go back to being only address and ages of residents.

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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2009, 09:40:00 AM »
The government on one level or another already knows where I live, how much earnings I report and marital status from my annual tax return. They know who I work for because that is who they steal collect my monthly tax contributions from.
They also know all there is to know about my military service and veterans status.
Information about my home is available on county tax rolls including how long I have lived there.
Knowing where I live and where I work they can determine my daily commute (an d be jealous of my 2 mile commute from a place in the country =D).
My birth records are on file with a government agency in the county I was born in, those records include my immediate ancestory (military records also has this information).

If I get the long form the answer to Language spoken at home will be Kilngon.

If you think about it they already have all this information they just need to compile it better.
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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2009, 11:22:14 AM »
Send a copy to each of your senators and your rep.  Insist that, if they need so much information about you, it's only fair that you have all the same information about them.  Then demand that the census go back to being only address and ages of residents.

Great idea!



If I get one of these I will attest to the accuracy of the number of humans at the addy.

I suspect any other answers will be less useful for compiling an accurate database.
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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2009, 06:19:35 PM »
Oh no, no, no!

You've all got the wrong idea.  You MUST fill out the information, and do it correctly.

How else will our government know how many loaves of bread to bake, and where to set up the circuses??

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« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2009, 07:27:55 PM »
Got one of those in 90 or 2000, I don't remember which. I answered the relevent questions about how many people in the household & ages & sent it back like that. Never heard another word.
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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2009, 11:01:04 PM »
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Got one of those in 90 or 2000

A flush toilet??   ;/
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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2009, 05:39:28 PM »
Yep. Next I'm gonna try that store bought paper. They tell me it comes on a roll so's ya don't hafta tear pages.

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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2009, 07:52:02 PM »
What will they think of next!?!   :O
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Re: Big Brother asks: 'Do you have a flush toilet?'
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2009, 12:09:29 PM »
Not politics. Closed.
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