Biden Admin Proposing New Rule that Would Effectively Ban Gas Generators

[RocketMan]

The Consumer Product Safety Commission is concerned over CO emissions from gas generators and how some people manage to kill themselves using them.  The CSPC is proposing excessively stringent standards for CO emissions that generator manufacturers may not be able reach.
The story at the Epoch Times says it all.  It was a free read for me.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/biden-administration-rule-would-ban-nearly-all-portable-gas-powered-generators_5411420.html

[Ben]

This administration is a horse's ass convention.

I keep putting this on the backburner, but if it looks like if this ban has legs, I need to support the Chinese and get one of the 2KWish Harbor Freight Predator generators. I have a 9KW Champion, but that thing is loud and heavy, and I keep thinking about a little gas sipper for things like the fridge and chest freezer during a power outage. In fact a 2.5ish peak genny could run my propane furnace (I'm pretty sure it's 1500 watts draw after startup) for Winter emergency heat during an outage.

[WLJ]

Just go into reader view (F9 in firefox) to bypass requirement for an e-mail address

[RoadKingLarry]

I picked up one of these a couple of years ago when I was refitting my boat. Needed power and the marina boat yard had one 2-plug 20A outlet to share between 4 people working on boats.
Very quiet, very economical. Sadly I think it has been discontinued.
https://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/Honda-EG2800I-Portable-Generator/p70740.html

[WLJ]

You notice the bit about dishwashers and the link?

The proposal seeks to cut energy use by 27 percent and water use by 34 percent in new conventional household dishwashers made in the United States or imported into the country, starting three years after the publication of the final rule.

This means that the maximum estimated annual energy use for standard-sized dishwashers would be 223 kWh/year and the maximum per-cycle water consumption would be 3.3 gallons.

Biden Admin Takes Aim at Dishwashers to Tackle ‘Climate Crisis’ After Gas Stove Clampdown
https://www.theepochtimes.com/biden-admin-takes-aim-at-dishwashers-to-tackle-climate-crisis-after-gas-stove-clampdown_5249224.html

[K Frame]

I've said it before, I'll say it again, this isn't about the administration wanting to "save lives."

They want to cost people lives. Fewer people for a greener world.

[K Frame]

Absolutely refuses to let me either join or log in to see the article.

[K Frame]

Just go into reader view (F9 in firefox) to bypass requirement for an e-mail address

Sweet.

[Archangel]

Wait, what?

So now my gas generator has been unfortunately lost in a tragic boating accident??

 

[WLJ]

[HankB]

I'm SURE there's some greenie in the Biden administration who thinks you can use an electric motor running off a battery to run the generator that charges the battery . . .

[WLJ]

I'm SURE there's some greenie in the Biden administration who thinks you can use an electric motor running off a battery to run the generator that charges the battery . . .

Well if it's settled science that men can get pregnant..............

[dogmush]

Interesting that the proposed rule does not apply to diesel generators. 

[BobR]

This is causing some concern in the RV community. A lot of generators out there in and near RVs.

bob

[tokugawa]

I've said it before, I'll say it again, this isn't about the administration wanting to "save lives."

They want to cost people lives. Fewer people for a greener world.

 Yep. The entire climate scam is for this purpose.

And you know, the petty tyrants need to see the ordinary folk suffer- it is just no fun for them unless they can hurt someone.
i don't remember who it was, maybe CS Lewis, who stated (through a fictional character) that tyrants and control freaks HAVE to cause pain- because if people go along with orders willingly, that might mean they were OK with the program, and that does not illustrate sufficient control over them- the control HAS to be by force, against an unwilling person, for the tyrant to get their power hit.

[Cliffh]

One of the first on-site calls I had after starting a computer repair shop was 'cause the lady's computer wouldn't start.  She'd unplugged the power strip so she could plug in the vacuum.  Computer worked just fine after plugging the power strip in to the wall outlet.

After reading those two articles I'm feeling sad.  And angry.  And frustrated that there's really nothing I can do to make those jack-wagons in DC stop with all the bullshit "climate change/renewable energy".

[JTHunter]

I've said it before, I'll say it again, this isn't about the administration wanting to "save lives."

They want to cost people lives. Fewer people for a greener world.

They have to try something !  After all, the pandemic didn't do enough.

[230RN]

"The agency estimated that the new rules would save consumers nearly $3 billion in utility bills over 30 years."

Wow.  I'm all for it.  That means I could save a hundred million dollars a year.

You go, Joe!

Terry, 230RN

[Calumus]

One of the first on-site calls I had after starting a computer repair shop was 'cause the lady's computer wouldn't start.  She'd unplugged the power strip so she could plug in the vacuum.  Computer worked just fine after plugging the power strip in to the wall outlet.

I've had 3 of those so far this year, including one where the woman actually followed the advice in the pic. She was quite embarrassed when I pointed out that at least one of her daisy chained power strips had to be plugged into the wall....

[WLJ]

One of the first on-site calls I had after starting a computer repair shop was 'cause the lady's computer wouldn't start.  She'd unplugged the power strip so she could plug in the vacuum.  Computer worked just fine after plugging the power strip in to the wall outlet.

After reading those two articles I'm feeling sad.  And angry.  And frustrated that there's really nothing I can do to make those jack-wagons in DC stop with all the bullshit "climate change/renewable energy".

I've had 3 of those so far this year, including one where the woman actually followed the advice in the pic. She was quite embarrassed when I pointed out that at least one of her daisy chained power strips had to be plugged into the wall....

Not uncommon to find office setups that were just installed/moved to be found like that. People see all the plugs on the floor after the cords are dropped down to the floor and plug them in often followed by a call to tech support because nothing will power on.

Another common call is no power often accompanied by a burning smell from the power strip after they plug in their 1,500 watt heater they brought from home into the same strip. Scary number of times that has happened despite them being told never to do that. Usually a woman wearing a skimpy outfit in winter. "But I was cold".

[Ben]

One thing on this, because I'm researching them myself, is that the "solar power generators" are actually coming into their own now. Not the Jackery ones, but like the EP Cube and the Ecoflow, which can be charged up by AC or genny (ironically) as well - not just solar. But they do seem to be at a point where solar will handle much of the charging, even when using them as whole house generators.

They are still way more expensive than a gas generator for near equal performance, so I'd be interested in seeing if part of this anti-generator push will result in more subsidies and tax credits to get these types of generators over gas gennys.

Here's an example of a solar genny in use:

https://youtu.be/wPUbRhucRnA

[Nick1911]

We recently had a major storm caused power outage in KC.  I was down for three days.  I had friends that were down for 5 days.  Between a big inverter and an engine-driven welder/generator, I was fine.

My MIL was down for about 6 hours, and are musing on a solar generator.  They know they got lucky this time, and want to be better prepared for a multi-day outage.  I'm of the opinion that a small inverter gas unit would be better, but they think that dealing with gasoline sounds like too much of a PITA.  They live on a suburban lot, and do not have other gas equipment currently.

In my head, they need about 600w continuous to run their fridge and freezer.  I'm basing that on my own energy observations in my home.  600w, 24hr a day is 14kw-hr.  My solar panels output 250 watts in full sun, correctly oriented.  Each weigh 45 pounds or so, and are about 3x4 feet.  In our area, a 250 watt panel will produce an average of about 750 w-hr per day.  So.... optimal conditions, they need 19 panels, weighing in at 900lbs to to make this work?  Which they will have to haul out into the yard after a storm?

How does that make more sense then a 50lb Honda EU1000 and three gallons of gasoline?  Where is my math or assumptions wrong?

[zahc]

Your math is right. Solar is pretty much a joke for most practical purposes. Sadly people often absorb the hype and marketing, and are disappointed when they find out their solar panel that seems huge will barely trickle charge their phone. And that's when it happens to be sunny.

Then again if you don't have gasoline it's a lot better than nothing.

[230RN]

Your assumptions are OK.  It's the government's assumptions that are wrong.

It's part of the error I call "Fervid Thinking," where Nobility interferes with Practicality.

You see that a lot with many socialistic/communistic/liberal proposals.

[cordex]

Sadly people often absorb the hype and marketing, and are disappointed when they find out their solar panel that seems huge will barely trickle charge their phone. And that's when it happens to be sunny.

I know this was intended to be a bit exaggerated, but it doesn’t take a very big panel at all to saturate most phones’ charging capability.  Something like a 13”x17” panel can put out 20 watts easy.

I came to the same conclusion regarding generators and have a tiny, quiet 2000 watt gas generator for emergency use.  Now that I have a tractor I’m seriously considering a used PTO generator like Charby recommended a while back that could drive my whole house with capacity to spare.