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Title: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Jocassee on November 26, 2012, 01:02:58 PM
Our Ambassador to the U.N., Susan Rice, is not black and it seems ridiculous to me that those attacking her are being accused of racism. If I hadn't been told by the media I would not have even considered her to be a "person of color."

Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: TommyGunn on November 26, 2012, 01:06:10 PM
 ???  Last time I saw her on TV she looked black to me.  What color is she?  Perhaps I need to adjust the TINT on my TV set.  =|
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: brimic on November 26, 2012, 01:09:14 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rice

Wiki says she's black.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Monkeyleg on November 26, 2012, 01:43:36 PM
Eva Mendez is darker (and more attractive), and she's not "black".
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: makattak on November 26, 2012, 02:04:23 PM
Honestly, since I hadn't ever seen Ms. Rice, I had no clue she was black until I read that I only objected to her lying on national television because I was a racist.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Ben on November 26, 2012, 02:06:38 PM
Honestly, since I hadn't ever seen Ms. Rice, I had no clue she was black until I read that I only objected to her lying on national television because I was a racist.

Good one.  :laugh:
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: roo_ster on November 26, 2012, 03:39:26 PM
Take a look at her kids (attractive buggers).

Then think: They will get an affirmative action bonus over poor white trash...to add to the "well-connected" bonus.

Here:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ft0.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcTM8PYiy9LLpD7nRUzHQzuGoGNtiRTu_rcy6x-L13kRYVrDD_gy2XSH1SG-Qg&hash=3f6a164013e34d3e1a108cc213153fc70cf1e7be)
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: longeyes on November 26, 2012, 04:34:11 PM
The issue with Rice isn't Race, it's that she's one more highly-credentialed leftist who emerged from the academic-government axis.  People used to pay their dues in Foreign Service for years with creaky overhead fans and crumbling files cabinets in far-off squalor.  Now they just get a PhD from Hopkins in International Relations and attain immediate expertise.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Jocassee on November 26, 2012, 05:55:45 PM
The issue with Rice isn't Race, it's that she's one more highly-credentialed leftist who emerged from the academic-government axis.  People used to pay their dues in Foreign Service for years with creaky overhead fans and crumbling files cabinets in far-off squalor.  Now they just get a PhD from Hopkins in International Relations and attain immediate expertise.

I agree with this. The last few months, whenever some crisis happens there seems to be a plague of young Georgetown-educated Smart People to tell us what's going on and why it's our fault.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: ArfinGreebly on November 26, 2012, 06:04:46 PM

She's black?

Hell, I had a Filipino bank teller that was "blacker" than that.

We have a young lady from India in QA -- an uncomfortably hot little number -- who's darker than that.

In fact, my son's girlfriend's buddy (seen here in purple (http://noisytypist.net/xfr/album/Sterling-pix/2012-07-29_Sterling-n-Friends0002.jpg)) is that dark, and nobody calls her "black."

What is it with "black" nowadays?  Is that a new status symbol?
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 26, 2012, 09:04:08 PM
Anytime the left has no substance to their argument all they have to do is play the race card.
If the minority they are protecting is also a woman then they can double trump with the racist/sexist combo play.
If they could find a mixed race black/Hispanic quadriplegic woman with downs syndrome to be their spokesperson they'd never even have to respond to anything because no one in the GOP would dare criticize them.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: seeker_two on November 26, 2012, 09:42:04 PM

What is it with "black" nowadays?  Is that a new status symbol?

Can I be black?.....everybody else is doing it....
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 26, 2012, 09:47:12 PM
She's black?

Hell, I had a Filipino bank teller that was "blacker" than that.

We have a young lady from India in QA -- an uncomfortably hot little number -- who's darker than that.

In fact, my son's girlfriend's buddy (seen here in purple (http://noisytypist.net/xfr/album/Sterling-pix/2012-07-29_Sterling-n-Friends0002.jpg)) is that dark, and nobody calls her "black."

What is it with "black" nowadays?  Is that a new status symbol?



Are you joking? "Black" indicates African ancestry. Actual skin color may vary.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Strings on November 26, 2012, 09:54:06 PM
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Are you joking? "Black" indicates aboriginal African ancestry. Actual skin color may vary.

FIFY

A white South African doesn't count...
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: ArfinGreebly on November 26, 2012, 09:58:55 PM

Are you joking? "Black" indicates African ancestry. Actual skin color may vary.


So . . . how many generations back is that valid?

Does my Scottish-via-Norse/Celt/French-via-Caucuses-via-blah-blah-blah-via-Mesopotamia-via-(??)-out-of-Africa heritage count?

'Cuz, if it does, I was a freckle-faced, sandy-haired, pale-and-sunburned African-American kid in my youth, and now just a tubby, graying, still-easily-sunburned African-American olde dude.

Doesn't that entitle me to something?
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: longeyes on November 26, 2012, 09:59:09 PM
Susan Rice is but one of a sizeable cadre of black women Obama has placed in critical, policy-making roles in this administration.  We are not talking here just about "diversity."  Draw your own conclusions.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Ron on November 26, 2012, 09:59:52 PM
The only "fair" thing to do is destroy the idea of "America".
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: TommyGunn on November 26, 2012, 11:44:10 PM


Are you joking? "Black" indicates African ancestry. Actual skin color may vary.

Egyptians are from Africa.  So are Libyans. 
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on November 27, 2012, 08:18:14 AM


Are you joking? "Black" indicates African ancestry. Actual skin color may vary.

tagalog folks count if its the anthropologists or gov counting
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: brimic on November 27, 2012, 08:43:31 AM
Reminds me of this:
http://www.wnd.com/2004/01/22929/
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Fly320s on November 27, 2012, 09:37:54 AM
I was born a poor, black child.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: SADShooter on November 27, 2012, 09:39:39 AM
I was born a poor, black child.

Do you like your sandwiches wrapped in cellophane?
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: lee n. field on November 27, 2012, 10:44:26 AM
Egyptians are from Africa.  So are Libyans. 

And Berbers.

And the Afrikanns have been there for 350 years, long enough for the language to become distinct from the mother tongue.  How long does it take?
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Boomhauer on November 27, 2012, 11:05:18 AM
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What is it with "black" nowadays?  Is that a new status symbol?

It's the ultimate excuse.

Won't do you job and about to get fired? You're disadvantaged because of your skin pigment, so you are entitled to that job.
Somebody won't give you a job because you are unqualified? Play the race card.
Arrested because you commit a crime? The police are targeting you because you are black, not because you are the black male who just robbed the liquor store.
In politics and you are attacked for your unsuitability? Whip it out. The race card, that is.
Want .gov aid? Whip out your race card, you get a bigger slice of the pie since you aren't an evil whitey. (Student aid is a good example of this, you get more if you are a so-called "minority").

I'll believe the line "we are all equal" when the .gov stops basing everything on race and puts a stop to everything affirmative action.



Oh, and I like how Herman Cain "isn't authentically black" but anytime a Dem steps up to the plate, they cannot be criticized due to a somewhat darker skin.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: roo_ster on November 27, 2012, 11:13:14 AM
I was born a poor, black child.

Die, gas pumper.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Balog on November 27, 2012, 11:14:58 AM
Honestly, since I hadn't ever seen Ms. Rice, I had no clue she was black until I read that I only objected to her lying on national television because I was a racist.

I am so reposting that all over the internets...  :laugh:
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Viking on November 27, 2012, 11:23:02 AM


And the Afrikanns have been there for 350 years, long enough for the language to become distinct from the mother tongue.  How long does it take?
Ah, you don't understand - atleast by how it's played over here, the second a person steps of the plane from Afghanistan, Somalia, Mongolia or any other place, he or she immediatly becomes German/Swedish/French/Icelandic, atleast according to the leftist 'tards here...Afrikaaners, OTOH, are white, and thus, they can never become Africans, no matter how long their ancestors have lived in Africa, because being white is the ultimate in evil.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: longeyes on November 27, 2012, 09:30:09 PM
Here's the picture: think South Africa, post-Mandela. 
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Fly320s on November 27, 2012, 10:05:03 PM
Die, gas pumper.

Stay away from the cans!
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 27, 2012, 10:31:00 PM
Oh, and I like how Herman Cain "isn't authentically black" but anytime a Dem steps up to the plate, they cannot be criticized due to a somewhat darker skin.

I hadn't heard the "Herman Cain isn't authentically black" line. That's hilarious.

Back to Ms. Rice -- I still want to know why our ambassador to the U.N. was giving out press briefings in regard to the killing of our ambassador to Libya. Ms. Rice is not the Secretary of State, she is not a Deputy Secretary of State (if there is such a critter), she is not in any way in a position above the ambassador to Libya. At best, as another ambassador she would be (would have been) his equal in rank/position. I can't think of any valid reason why one ambassador would be giving press briefings about the killing of another ambassador. She simply isn't in the chain of command.

Except that she's "a person of color," and thereby immune to criticism.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Monkeyleg on November 27, 2012, 10:44:52 PM
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I hadn't heard the "Herman Cain isn't authentically black" line. That's hilarious.

Really? They said the same thing about Colin Powell, Alan Keyes, and other black Republicans. Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams get that, too.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: longeyes on November 28, 2012, 12:01:46 PM
I hadn't heard the "Herman Cain isn't authentically black" line. That's hilarious.

Back to Ms. Rice -- I still want to know why our ambassador to the U.N. was giving out press briefings in regard to the killing of our ambassador to Libya. Ms. Rice is not the Secretary of State, she is not a Deputy Secretary of State (if there is such a critter), she is not in any way in a position above the ambassador to Libya. At best, as another ambassador she would be (would have been) his equal in rank/position. I can't think of any valid reason why one ambassador would be giving press briefings about the killing of another ambassador. She simply isn't in the chain of command.

Except that she's "a person of color," and thereby immune to criticism.

She's both too important to criticize and too unimportant not to throw under the bus.  Such is the state of modern racial emancipation.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Scout26 on November 28, 2012, 10:00:27 PM
I hadn't heard the "Herman Cain isn't authentically black" line. That's hilarious.

Back to Ms. Rice -- I still want to know why our ambassador to the U.N. was giving out press briefings in regard to the killing of our ambassador to Libya. Ms. Rice is not the Secretary of State, she is not a Deputy Secretary of State (if there is such a critter), she is not in any way in a position above the ambassador to Libya. At best, as another ambassador she would be (would have been) his equal in rank/position. I can't think of any valid reason why one ambassador would be giving press briefings about the killing of another ambassador. She simply isn't in the chain of command.

Except that she's "a person of color," and thereby immune to criticism.

Because Hillary is/was smart enough to say "Oh. Hell. No." when they tried to give her the assignment. 
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Jocassee on November 29, 2012, 09:19:59 AM
This issue was actually highlighted by my background in South Africa. As you may know there are a lot of mixed-race people down there. By and large they are referred to as "Coloured." Most of them have about the same general complexion, facial features, and hair type as Susan Rice--except usually darker. That tells me that Susan Rice, in all likelihood, is more than half white. In any case she definitely does not have what they would call in the old days "negroid" features, not even close. She does not speak with a black dialect. If I were sitting in a room with her and she didn't tell me I would never guess she was black. All that to say what you guys have already said--charges of racism in this case are completely and utterly ridiculous.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Scout26 on November 29, 2012, 05:33:34 PM
I have a couple of questions.

1.  Where was the president during those 7-8 hours?  Since his every move is tracked, that should be easy to answer.
2.  Who changed the "Talking Points" paper?  All the Intel-weenies say that it had "Al-Qaeda" and "Terrorist Attack" in it when they passed it on/up.
3.  What military assets (if any) were alerted to assist during this time frame ?   
4.  Who was monitoring the situation and who was that person reporting to and when?
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: SADShooter on November 30, 2012, 09:21:19 AM
I have a couple of questions.

1.  Where was the president during those 7-8 hours?  Since his every move is tracked, that should be easy to answer.
2.  Who changed the "Talking Points" paper?  All the Intel-weenies say that it had "Al-Qaeda" and "Terrorist Attack" in it when they passed it on/up.
3.  What military assets (if any) were alerted to assist during this time frame ?  
4.  Who was monitoring the situation and who was that person reporting to and when?

"Pish-posh, peon. Can't you understand we're trying to fundamentally transform America here? We can't be bothered to worry about minutiae and mundane details. Go raid your Twinkie hoard and watch some American Idol. You'll feel better."
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: longeyes on November 30, 2012, 11:51:45 AM
Don't wake up the President, he needs his strength for transformation.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 01, 2012, 02:35:40 AM
"Black" indicates aboriginal African ancestry. Actual skin color may vary.


Yeah, if you wanna be more specific about it. (And assuming blacks were there first.) But, yeah, trying to claim that Rice is not black, because someone of another heritage is darker than she is just reveals ignorance of what the word "black" means, in context.

I know some 1/8 black (African-American) people who look as "white" as I do. And you probably couldn't consider them "black." But 100 years ago, people who knew about their grandmother's skin color would have considered them black, just because "one drop" was enough. People (most people) aren't as rigid about such things anymore, but it has a lot do with whether one can "pass" as one race or another, and how much one chooses to identify with (or is accepted by) each racial group.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: lee n. field on December 01, 2012, 09:27:32 AM
Don't wake up the President, he needs his strength for transformation.

The President has pupated.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: longeyes on December 01, 2012, 10:46:26 AM
I think Caligula went through the same metamorphosis...

Divinity is in the vicinity.

Watch out for the Iron Butterfly.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: lee n. field on December 01, 2012, 12:36:49 PM
I think Caligula went through the same metamorphosis...

Divinity is in the vicinity.

A pinch of incense, offered to the genius of the 0ne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_cult_%28ancient_Rome%29).  Just a pinch, is all that's required.

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I was to have been a god, you see. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Cartagia)
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: sanglant on December 01, 2012, 06:22:14 PM
i never burn less then a gram. [popcorn]

better add the quote. [tinfoil] :police:

A pinch of incense, offered to the genius of the 0ne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_cult_%28ancient_Rome%29).  Just a pinch, is all that's required.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: slingshot on December 03, 2012, 10:44:47 AM
She's typical of the President's choices for high posts.  If you are white and say something negative about a black official in the Obama Administration, then you're a racist.  That is the way it's played and it works.

She is a mouth piece for the current Administration, nothing more.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Ron on December 03, 2012, 11:30:43 AM
This whole focus on racial matters, not the big issues like affirmative action etc. but the cultural divide is actively being promoted by the Dems.

We are falling for it, just read the threads here at APS. If it is happening here it is more than likely a widespread phenomenon.

While it may be too simplistic to view all of what the president does through the lens of Saul Alinsky, it sure does make one pause to reflect.

"The first step in community organization is community disorganization."

"The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength."

“Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions."

Instead of a full frontal attack using the racism charge they've created little skirmishes where they pull it out once the battle has been joined. They rope a dope and then hit with charges of racial insensitivity.

There are racially mixed marriages in my family, I've dated outside my race and currently my Mexican brother in law to be and sister are living with me. Yet many here programmed by our education system and media propaganda mill probably view me as some type of racially insensitive troglodyte because I won't tiptoe around the frikkin obvious.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: longeyes on December 03, 2012, 12:36:37 PM
The people on this forum did not invent "disparate impact."  Racial division and even racial supremacy are part of the agenda of the people in power.  We are merely attempting to parry the thrusts.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: SteveS on December 03, 2012, 03:00:39 PM
The issue with Rice isn't Race, it's that she's one more highly-credentialed leftist who emerged from the academic-government axis.  People used to pay their dues in Foreign Service for years with creaky overhead fans and crumbling files cabinets in far-off squalor.  Now they just get a PhD from Hopkins in International Relations and attain immediate expertise.

I saw a few pieces on her over the weekend and her resume doesn't seem all that bad.  She also looks pretty black to me.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: ArfinGreebly on December 03, 2012, 03:02:21 PM

Dat's 'cuz you a RACISS!!
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: seeker_two on December 03, 2012, 09:55:47 PM
I saw a few pieces on her over the weekend and her resume doesn't seem all that bad.  She also looks pretty black to me.

All that proves is that it's time for you to buy a new TV....
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: SteveS on December 04, 2012, 06:29:25 AM
All that proves is that it's time for you to buy a new TV....


Woo hoo. I am glad I'm not a racist.

Seems like she is being made the fall-gal for the administration.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: longeyes on December 04, 2012, 07:07:25 AM
That assumes anyone takes a fall.

Who really is left to care?

I think we need to look at America with a very cold eye right now.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: SteveS on December 04, 2012, 08:02:14 AM
I think we need to look at America with a very cold eye right now.

I think we have had to do this for a long time.  People seem to have short memories once their party is in power.
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 04, 2012, 08:52:37 AM
I saw a few pieces on her over the weekend and her resume doesn't seem all that bad.  She also looks pretty black to me.

While working for the Clinton administration in '96 she was a leading voice in refusing to take Bin Laden when offered by Sudan.
While in the state dept. in '98 her voice was deciding factor in refusing requests from US embassies in africa additional security against car bombs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-susan-rices-tarnished-resume/2012/11/16/55ec3382-3012-11e2-a30e-5ca76eeec857_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-susan-rices-tarnished-resume/2012/11/16/55ec3382-3012-11e2-a30e-5ca76eeec857_story.html)

www.biography.com/people/susan-e-rice-391616 (http://www.biography.com/people/susan-e-rice-391616)
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: longeyes on December 04, 2012, 11:10:29 AM
I think we have had to do this for a long time.  People seem to have short memories once their party is in power.

Indeed, but Americans are, we are told, an open-minded and optimistic people.  They are.  Perhaps way too much so.  We are too much in love with our myths about our inevitability.  This is just escapism. 
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: Scout26 on December 05, 2012, 11:34:29 AM
While working for the Clinton administration in '96 she was a leading voice in refusing to take Bin Laden when offered by Sudan.
While in the state dept. in '98 her voice was deciding factor in refusing requests from US embassies in africa additional security against car bombs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-susan-rices-tarnished-resume/2012/11/16/55ec3382-3012-11e2-a30e-5ca76eeec857_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-susan-rices-tarnished-resume/2012/11/16/55ec3382-3012-11e2-a30e-5ca76eeec857_story.html)

www.biography.com/people/susan-e-rice-391616 (http://www.biography.com/people/susan-e-rice-391616)

Another Jamie Gorelick  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Gorelick)!!!
Title: Re: I have to get something off my chest about Susan Rice.
Post by: SteveS on December 05, 2012, 03:26:40 PM
While working for the Clinton administration in '96 she was a leading voice in refusing to take Bin Laden when offered by Sudan.
While in the state dept. in '98 her voice was deciding factor in refusing requests from US embassies in africa additional security against car bombs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-susan-rices-tarnished-resume/2012/11/16/55ec3382-3012-11e2-a30e-5ca76eeec857_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-susan-rices-tarnished-resume/2012/11/16/55ec3382-3012-11e2-a30e-5ca76eeec857_story.html)

www.biography.com/people/susan-e-rice-391616 (http://www.biography.com/people/susan-e-rice-391616)

I never suggested that she was any good at her job, but just that she didn't go straight from college into her current job.