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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Matt King on October 08, 2008, 09:19:59 PM
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Okay, I know Palin has a lot of support here but I think that frankly she is unqualified for office. Look, watching her in the debate made Dan Quayle seem smart.
Palin's Problems:
Has been a non-exceptional governor
Lacks a grasp of the world
Does horribly in one on one interviews
Please explain to me how this woman is ready to be the VP.
Don't turn this into Obama vs. McCain; just explain why you think Palin has the qualities to be the vice president of The United States.
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A good story in The American Conservative:
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2008/oct/06/00010/
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This has been hashed over elsewhere in many other threads here. The arguments are getting old.
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Sure, shes as qualified as anyone who is/was a Governor/Ran for Governor...She has done more in 2 years than alot of Past Governor / Presidents did when they were Governor of their states for the whole time..
The VP spot is also the perfect "On the Job training" post for her as well.. will set her up nicely for 2012. McCain ain't dying anytime soon..his mom is still alive for gods sake.
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If McCain is elected, I feel perfectly comfortable with Sarah Palin as vice president. She is more qualified that Obama but Obama has just had a couple years to get his message messaged appropriately so it plays okay with regular folks. Obama started running for President the day after the last Democratic Convention 4-years ago.
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Certainly, she could be better qualified; that saidâ„¢, I believe she's the best qualified and most level-headed among not only the current presidential and vice presidential candidates, but those we've had to choose among since Reagan left office. I believe she's made of Reagan's stuff.
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Okay, I know Palin has a lot of support here but I think that frankly she is unqualified for office. Look, watching her in the debate made Dan Quayle seem smart.
Palin's Problems:
Has been a non-exceptional governor
Lacks a grasp of the world
Does horribly in one on one interviews
Please explain to me how this woman is ready to be the VP.
Don't turn this into Obama vs. McCain; just explain why you think Palin has the qualities to be the vice president of The United States.
"Has been a non-exceptional governor." -- By your standards. From what I have heard, she's done well. OTOH I thought Clinton & Carter were "unexceptional governors" and they became presidents. Carter was a peanut farmer of all things!
"Lacks a grasp of the world." -- How do you know? IMHO Obama "lacks a grasp of the world."
"Does horribly in one on one interviews." -- Here I will admit she should have been able to do better with Couric and one or two others. However, since when is it a requirement for the office of V.P. to do well in one to one interviews?
Essentially the VP doesn't really do too much except break ties in the senate and go to funerals the president is too busy to attend. It's good on the job training for the oval office and Palin will get that if a miracle is pulled out of a hat. If it's only a rabbit, then, a certain individual with less executive experience than Palin will be in the oval office.
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Don't turn this into Obama vs. McCain
Request denied.
If Obama was not such a terrible, terrible choice for the Presidency, the question might be relevant. But the options laid before us consist of Obama, or McCain (with a chance of Palin). And since Obama is obviously much less qualified than Palin...
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OK, let's turn this into Palin vs. Biden (which is what it should be).
Ann Coulter's column today. (http://townhall.com/columnists/AnnCoulter/2008/10/08/pull_the_hair_plug_on_this_guy)
Joe Biden has 26 years of experience in Congress. Almost all of his experience has been on the wrong side of issues.
Howcumitzzit that, every four years, gun-related forums get new members questioning the most pro-gun candidates?
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Howcumitzzit that, every four years, gun-related forums get new members questioning the most pro-gun candidates?
Seems to me that a fair number of long term members got their digs in on Ron Paul during the primaries. And after.
Haven't seen much negative talk about Barr or Baldwin though.
Palin's alright on guns, from what I've seen, but she is hitched up to McCain who waltzed up in front of the NRA membership at their annual convention, dropped his pants, and squirted out a "gun show loophole" comment from is fourth point of contact.
The way I see it McCain/Palin isn't the "most pro-gun" ticket out there. It's just a slight bit less offensive than Obama/Biden.
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just explain why you think Palin has the qualities to be the vice president of The United States.
- She's over 34 years old.
- She's a natural borne citizen.
- AFAIK, she's not a convicted felon.
That makes her qualified. Whether or not she is a good choice is another matter.
BTW, I suggested SP as a good choice for vice prez months ago on TFL. I was really excited when McCain picked her. But with McCain's proposal to buy up mortgages *at their original value* rather than current market value, I don't think I could vote for him even if he picked Jesus for a running mate. I thought Democrats had socialist tendencies, but even they haven't proposed such a massive redistribution of wealth. (I sent McCain an email about this, I don't expect a reply, but I wonder if anyone bothers to read it)
[p.s. How do you create a numbered list? I couldn't get OL tags to work]
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Has been a non-exceptional governor
Lacks a grasp of the world
Does horribly in one on one interviews
FAIL.
I find your base assertions simply false on their face.
Does that help?
I can't find adequate support for your claims.
Quite the contrary.
I must therefore enter a ruling of "TROLL" in response.
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AmCon will oppose anybody who runs with McCain.
Even Buchanan likes Palin.
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Request denied.
That reminds me of Palin in the debate - "No, I won't answer the question you asked, but I will repeat this talking point I memorized" :rolleyes:
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That reminds me of Palin in the debate - "No, I won't answer the question you asked, but I will repeat this talking point I memorized" :rolleyes:
Agreed. I know I'll catch flying monkey poo here, but I thought she sucked in the debate. She was just a walking talking talking-point.
I think she was a smart choice for the election for McCain, but not a good choice.
Her inexperience is a non starter. She's got as much experience as Obama, and as several previous presidents. Being Governor of a state, she doesn't get the option to vote "present".
However, she's more conservative than McCain. Thus she required some reeducation (which is why she has been sequestered from the MSM).
She's not been exposed to any real world foriegn policy experience. Sure, she can see Russia from Alaska.....from a tiny island at the end of the Aleutian chain where she's never visited before.
Me, I'd rather see Palin take a whack on her own after another 4 years as Governor. Maybe a high level cabinet position in between to get some foriegn policy experience.
She's qualified. Just the same as any other American that meets the requirements.
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That reminds me of Palin in the debate - "No, I won't answer the question you asked, but I will repeat this talking point I memorized" :rolleyes:
All politicians do that though - look at both McCain and (especially) Obama in the last debate. The difference with her was that she isnt particularly good at it, and she has found herself under such a microscope that any slipup (real or invented) will be trumpeted. Look at Biden, who was praised in some quarters for coming across as calm, rational and effective despite the tide of fibs he was coming out with.
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I submit that Palin is more qualified to be PRESIDENT than the current Democrat Party nominee to that office.
Howdoyalikemenow?
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All politicians do that though - look at both McCain and (especially) Obama in the last debate. The difference with her was that she isnt particularly good at it.
Oh, I absolutely agree that debating seems to be about dodging the question. It just stood out to me in the debate when she did that as it stood out when Mr. Tactical pants answered a question that was specifically NOT asked.
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Okay, I know Palin has a lot of support here but I think that frankly she is unqualified for office. Look, watching her in the debate made Dan Quayle seem smart.
Palin's Problems:
Has been a non-exceptional governor
Lacks a grasp of the world
Does horribly in one on one interviews
Please explain to me how this woman is ready to be the VP.
Don't turn this into Obama vs. McCain; just explain why you think Palin has the qualities to be the vice president of The United States.
The search feature is your friend.
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Oh, I absolutely agree that debating seems to be about dodging the question. It just stood out to me in the debate when she did that as it stood out when Mr. Tactical pants answered a question that was specifically NOT asked.
My only question is why are singling her our for doing what is commonly done by not only candidates, but political pundits every day?
If you want to say she didn't do it as smoothly, that is fine with me.
I would also ask this: People often ask where all the smart, decent, honest people are and why they don't run for office. IMO, this sort of criticism is one of the reasons. It really has little to do with what sort of elected official they would be and only focuses on how smooth they are on TV. We all expect our candidates to be as smooth as TV anchors reading a teleprompter yet most people don't like the anchors.
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I would also ask this: If the media went after Obama and Biden like they have Palin, do you think Obama and Biden would look as smooth or as polished? Would Obama have even made it out of the primaries?
IMO, the only reason Palin's qualifications are questioned is to distract from the fact that she is more qualified than Obama. That came up after she was picked as VP and I think some people didn't like it.
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But with McCain's proposal to buy up mortgages *at their original value* rather than current market value, I don't think I could vote for him even if he picked Jesus for a running mate. I thought Democrats had socialist tendencies, but even they haven't proposed such a massive redistribution of wealth. (I sent McCain an email about this, I don't expect a reply, but I wonder if anyone bothers to read it)
My email to McCain was a reply to spam that he sent to me (not sure how I got on his mailing list) I put an "ack" on it, and I just got confirmation that he deleted the mail without reading it. That means no one even opened it. What an ass.
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No, of course she isn't qualified. However, when I explained this earlier, I got a talking to. :laugh:
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That reminds me of Palin in the debate - "No, I won't answer the question you asked, but I will repeat this talking point I memorized" :rolleyes:
Well, ask a stupid question...
Mr. King is not being realistic. The question of whether Palin is qualified is directly tied to the question of Obama's qualifications. And compared to Obama (or Biden), Palin's superior qualifications are unmistakable. Unless, of course, one's mind is held captive by the surreal ideology of the Democratic Party.
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Well, ask a stupid question...
Mr. King is not being realistic. The question of whether Palin is qualified is directly tied to the question of Obama's qualifications. And compared to Obama (or Biden), Palin's superior qualifications are unmistakable. Unless, of course, one's mind is held captive by the surreal ideology of the Democratic Party.
This only works if you're a "lesser of two evils" type of voter and not everyone is. The question Mr. King is asking seems to be excluding that type of reasoning. Just because I won't vote Obama/Biden, doesn't mean I have to vote McCain/Palin.
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Yeah, she's unqualified for myriad reasons.
But the biggest reason she's not qualified is that she's not congress.
The right thing to do is elect the whole of congress, both houses, to the presidency.
Absolutely.
Because they have lots of experience, and world knowledge, and expertise, and -- did I leave anything out? -- oh, yeah, corruption.
We're in this frigging mess because of all the goddamned expertise and experience and all that *expletive deleted*it in Washington.
Palin has shown one thing: she's not part of the DC business as usual, and disinclined to take dictation from her party.
Scary stuff, that.
I am seriously fed the hell up with all the "qualified" aholes we have in government at all levels.
Economy is in the toilet because these idiots are so well qualified, we're on the brink of electing a bloody Marxist to play patty-cake with socialist majorities in both chambers, and we're worried about whether SHE is "qualified?"
Gee Zeus Key Riced All My Tea.
Hell, I'M not "qualified" and I could do a better job than the idiots who've been running things for all these years.
I know Kirk could do better, too, but he's evidently too smart to want that job. None of the people I've ever known who OUGHT to have had the job would touch it with anyone's ten foot pole.
I have long held that anyone who actually WANTS to be president shouldn't be allowed to be.
Palin may be willing to do that job, but it hasn't been her lifelong goal, or even one spanning decades.
The other two pukes (make that three) have spent their lives accruing power with eventual ascension to the throne as the ultimate objective.
Give the girl a chance. One thing is sure: she won't be pushing to ban guns.
I mean, what the hell is she gonna do that's worse than what we now have?
Who knows? Maybe the world's tin pot dictators will take a short vacation from posturing and threatening the US, uncertain of whether this lady is crazy enough to push the button.
That would make a pleasant change.
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Arf, why don't you tell us how you really feel? =D
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She can't even keep to her own campaign's talking points, promising to keep people's social security safe after McCain said he'd have to cut them, for instance.
Conservative bigwigs like George Will, Charles Krauthammer. Lincoln Chafee, David Frum, and Kathleen Parker are amongst other conservatives that agree. I want to say even Chuck Hagel agrees, but I'm not sure.
She's an empty skirt, much like Obama, only she's much worse at being one.
She doesn't even understand what the job of the Vice President is, as made obvious by her answer in the VP debate. That alone scares me.
Having said that, as long as nothing happens to John McCain, she's perfectly qualified to be a figurehead to send out to state funerals and other meaningless functions. She's wholelly unqualified to be President should John McCain keel over and die.
There are far more people I'd rather have (both that I disagree and agree with, but can at least respect) in the office of vice president. Biden, for instance, as said, is on the wrong side of many issues, and I'd rather have a wrong, intelligent man like Biden than a correct idiot in charge should something happen.
Yeah, I said it.
I do not think the Palin choice was a good choice. Picking someone for obvious political reasons is not putting your country first.
I'm pretty much disgusted with my choices, and will be throwing my vote away for Bob Barr. The thought of McCain/Pailn scares me abotu as much as Obama/Biden, so I will not vote for either of them.
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She can't even keep to her own campaign's talking points, promising to keep people's social security safe after McCain said he'd have to cut them, for instance.
How about TALKING, not talking points? I'm sick of rehearsed talking points!!!
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How about TALKING, not talking points? I'm sick of rehearsed talking points!!!
Don't even get me started on this. I'm sick of it on both sides. Every time I hear "Maverick" or "Main Street" from either side, I want to do something that might or might not get me in trouble with the secret service if I ever publicized it. For crying out loud, just say what you think.
Also, don't be afraid to admit you were wrong about something. If McCain came out and said he was wrong for getting involved with the Keating 5 for instance, or if Obama said he shouldn't have said the surge didn't work, I'd gain plenty of respect for either of them.
GOD FORBID you ever learn from your mistakes in politics!$!@$@#$@!#$%#!@$@#
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WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE LET THE CYNIC GET A WORD IN EDGEWISE!
What does being qualified have to do with elected office? Take a good hard look at the current ship of fools steaming in DC and tell me it is a well-run enterprise.
And by the way, Monkeyleg nailed it Howcumitzzit that, every four years, gun-related forums get new members questioning the most pro-gun candidates?
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If McCain came out and said he was wrong for getting involved with the Keating 5 for instance
McCain did and has said it repeatedly.
But to me her biggest problem is in trying to remember her talking points. Dadgumit, "LET SARAH BE SARAH !!!!"
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Has anyone ever seen the commercial where a bunch of firefighters in turnout coats are running Congress and going right through the agenda in seconds in a matter-of-fact manner?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO6DORwBzuA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO6DORwBzuA)
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Ann Coulter's column today. (http://townhall.com/columnists/AnnCoulter/2008/10/08/pull_the_hair_plug_on_this_guy)
Howcumitzzit that, every four years, gun-related forums get new members questioning the most pro-gun candidates?
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You won't like my answer.
It's because pro gun folks are notoriously single issue voters, along with pro lifers.
You can be (pro life|pro gun) and want to murder old folks for their gold, return to child labor to fix the economy, pave over the entire planet, and spend a trillion dollars to put a giant magnyfing glass in space over China, and you'd have nearly a guaranteed block of pro gun and pro life voters.
As said elsewhere, it's the basic test. If a politician doesn't trust you with a gun, they don't trust you, period.
This also, but not as much.
And yes, before someone asks, I'm having a really rotten day. I hate politics these days.
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Ann Coulter's column today. (http://townhall.com/columnists/AnnCoulter/2008/10/08/pull_the_hair_plug_on_this_guy)
Howcumitzzit that, every four years, gun-related forums get new members questioning the most pro-gun candidates?
You won't like my answer.
It's because pro gun folks are notoriously single issue voters, along with pro lifers.
You can be (pro life|pro gun) and want to murder old folks for their gold, return to child labor to fix the economy, pave over the entire planet, and spend a trillion dollars to put a giant magnyfing glass in space over China, and you'd have nearly a guaranteed block of pro gun and pro life voters.
As said elsewhere, it's the basic test. If a politician doesn't trust you with a gun, they don't trust you, period.
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Sorry Nintrogen, but your post lacks the Oxygen necessary to sustain life.
To be merciful, I will put it out of its misery:
Conservative bigwigs like George Will, Charles Krauthammer. Lincoln Chafee, David Frum, and Kathleen Parker are amongst other conservatives that agree. I want to say even Chuck Hagel agrees, but I'm not sure.
Will is the only "conservative bigwig" in your list. I am not surprised the Eternal Tory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_Champion) is not impressed with the savage from the hinterlands. Her message is poison to East Coast weenies.
Kraut comes close, but being a gun-grabber & big spender, will always be asterisk-ed.
Parker is famous for swallowing the anti-Palin hype, going wobbly, calling for her to be replaced, and being quoted and praised by the MSM for her "growth." The same MSM pretty much ignored her book, "Save the Males," as it did not tear into a fellow conservative. Check out here wikipedia entry. As of 2008-10-09 1515CDT, EVERY SINGLE REFERENCE cited has to do with her slamming of Palin.
[What do Will, Kraut, & Parker all have in common? All are East Coast Washington Post opinion writers and syndicated by the WaPo.]
Frum might be a bigwig in his own mind, and maybe he is, in Canada. Where he was born and is a citizen.
Chaffee has never been any sort of conservative, let alone a bigwig. The Chaffee family has, over generations, put the "INO" in "RINO." They have never claimed to be conservative.
Ah, Chuck Hagel. The favorite Republican of the press, now that McCain is running against their Golden Boy. He's always good for a anti-Republican or anti-conservative quote. Senator, yes. Conservative bigwig, not so much.
She doesn't even understand what the job of the Vice President is, as made obvious by her answer in the VP debate. That alone scares me.
You scare easily, especially since she got the answer right: POTUS replacement, Pres of Senate, with any and all privileges allowed by POTUS or Senate.
Your boy Biden flubbed the content of it and placed the executive powers in Article I. And he's the one with the spiffy law degree, isn't he?
There are far more people I'd rather have (both that I disagree and agree with, but can at least respect) in the office of vice president. Biden, for instance, as said, is on the wrong side of many issues, and I'd rather have a wrong, intelligent man like Biden than a correct idiot in charge should something happen.
Now there's a recipe for disaster and an interesting window on to your thought process. "Staaaay with the flock," even as it is lead over the cliff by a known black sheep...
I would much rather have someone with the correct world view and instincts than a glib liar like Biden who has spent his entire career seeking higher office and being wrong on every great issue of the day. Or don't you recall the way he fought the Reagan re-build of the armed forces, fought Reagan when he got tough with the Soviets, and lied his way through the Bork nomination?
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One last bit:
Biden has been on the public teat since before age 30, when he was elected to the Senate. He has made in excess of $100K for decades. He owns a 6000+sqft mansion on 6+ acres in Delaware worth millions. Yet, his net worth is less than Palin's at $150K.
It seems that while Palin & her hubby were busting their humps and staying out of debt, they socked away some cash and made prudent investments. Meanwhile, Biden accumulated much debt & mortgages, he is worth less than the rube from Alaska.
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This only works if you're a "lesser of two evils" type of voter and not everyone is. The question Mr. King is asking seems to be excluding that type of reasoning. Just because I won't vote Obama/Biden, doesn't mean I have to vote McCain/Palin.
This only works if you're a "lesser of two evils" real-world type of voter and not everyone is. The question Mr. King is asking seems to be excluding that type of reasoning the facts of the American electorate, and what they will vote for. Just because I won't vote Obama/Biden, doesn't mean I have to vote McCain/Palin for a candidate that actually has a slight chance of winning the election.
Fixed that for you. Given our Constitution, and our ideal of government by consent of the governed, it is simply not enough to vote for the best candidate. One must persuade one's fellow citizens to one's point of view. When some Constitutionalist, libertarian third party achieves that, then we will make some progress. Until then, my vote for a deeply flawed candidate (McCain) or party is one of the few things I can do to preserve our Constitution and liberties from the ravages of those that are even worse enemies of the same.
I've voted for third parties before. I may again. But I've seen through the sham of "lesser of two evils" so your Jedi mind tricks won't work on me. Any vote cast for a human being is a lesser of some number of evils. It's just that your vote for a less-evil politician (Paul, Barr, whatever) is doing more harm than good.
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"The perfect is the enemy of the good", you say? I say that if nobody ever insisted on the perfect, there'd never be any good.
In other words, running moderate candidates because they're 'more likely to win' is a strategic error. Eventually you'll end up fielding a candidate so moderate he's unable to excite his own base - and therefore incapable of winning. Eventually "b-b-but the other guy is worse!" will fail to scare your own people - even if the other guy IS much worse.
By all means, vote for McCain - but know that McCain is an enemy of liberty, just like Obama.
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Eventually you'll end up fielding a candidate so moderate he's unable to excite his own base - and therefore incapable of winning.
Which is precisely what happened to McCain until he picked Palin, and one reason why McCain is trailing Obama so horribly in campaign cash. (The other reason is that Mr. Change decided to break nearly all of his primary campaign promises, including accepting public funding).
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Which is precisely what happened to McCain until he picked Palin, and one reason why McCain is trailing Obama so horribly in campaign cash. (The other reason is that Mr. Change decided to break nearly all of his primary campaign promises, including accepting public funding).
I'm not sure Palin will be enough. We'll wait and see.
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Micro,
I agree with that, if we're talking about the Repub primaries. But that's not what I'm talking about right now.
In the past couple of years, I've said many times on this board that the Republicans can only win with a candidate that is conservative, or at least looks like one. I have never had very high hopes that McCain could win, precisely because I do NOT believe that a moderate Republican is more likely to win the election than a conservative Republican.
As for McCain being an enemy of liberty, that was true one year ago. At this point, his ticket is the only one that will at least rape liberty gently, without all the chains and torture devices. =(
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She's an empty skirt, much like Obama, only she's much worse at being one.
Oh man! Did I miss something? Will this be on the news? Obama, an empty skirt?
I love the comparisons. SP is always compared to Obama. Wouldn't that give you the impression that Obama is on the same level of inexperience? Back during Obama's run for Senate he sounded even worse than SP. Always great during a scripted speech but during interviews, he sounded very unsure of himself and, IMHO, like an idiot. I was impressed with him until I saw him in interviews. SP actually sounds better at this stage than Obama did, she at least sound sure of herself. Obama has come a long way but he is still learning on the job, otherwise why would he have to keep changing his opinion continuously?
I mean really, Obama is the least experienced candidate the Democrats have ever put up for office and maybe, like Arf says, for Obama and SP, this is a good thing. At least SP has not had a drink of the Congressional koolaid. Can't say the same for O.
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I agree with that, if we're talking about the Repub primaries. But that's not what I'm talking about right now.
Neither am I. Have you read Aristotle's 'Poetics'?
Aristotle defines tragedy as the story of a man inherently noble, yet suffering from an inherent flaw, one that inevitably leads him to his doom.
The American Conservative movement's history can thus be viewed as an Aristotelian tragedy.
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I want ArfinGreebly to explain his point. And tell me who hell he supports because I think he is patronizing us. That's not fair.
Couldn't say it any better. I promise to plagiarize if given the opportunity.
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Biden has been on the public teat since before age 30, when he was elected to the Senate. He has made in excess of $100K for decades. He owns a 6000+sqft mansion on 6+ acres in Delaware worth millions. Yet, his net worth is less than Palin's at $150K.
It seems that while Palin & her hubby were busting their humps and staying out of debt, they socked away some cash and made prudent investments. Meanwhile, Biden accumulated much debt & mortgages, he is worth less than the rube from Alaska.
And you believe the numbers?
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Qualified is not a word I'd be applying to the people in power because we have one purpose and they have quite another. The concept is meaningless.
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I'm a one-issue voter: LIBERTY. Guns are just a sub-set of that, albeit a rather enjoyable one.
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Biden has been on the public teat since before age 30
When I first read that I spotted the error, as you cannot be a senator before you're 30, then looked up Biden's record.
The dude was 30 years and 2 months old when he took his Senate office.
Holy crap! That's gotta be a record.
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Here's a question for you.
Ability or Experience.
Given the option, which would you choose?
I'd pick ability.
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When I first read that I spotted the error, as you cannot be a senator before you're 30, then looked up Biden's record.
The dude was 30 years and 2 months old when he took his Senate office.
Holy crap! That's gotta be a record.
I am having a rough day with folks reading what they think I wrote rather than what I wrote.
I did not write "has been in the Senate since before the age of 30," I wrote, "Biden has been on the public teat since before age 30." That includes his two years on the Wilmington city council.
I'm thinking the error is non-existent.
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My sweet wife may vote Repub for the first time ever just because she hates Mr. Smug so so much. I explain the Palin qualified thing to her this way. Dumb old George Bush has been kicking around DC for 8 years. If he didn't manage to accidentally mash the big red nookular button then nobody else will. Short of that any gaffes are something to make cartoons out of.
Remember, being a mayor is kinda like being a community organizer except that you actually have to make decisions. =D
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Here's a question for you.
Ability or Experience.
Given the option, which would you choose?
I'd pick ability.
Well, I don't think she has the ability either.
But that's my opinion.
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Biden has been on the public teat since before age 30, when he was elected to the Senate. He has made in excess of $100K for decades. He owns a 6000+sqft mansion on 6+ acres in Delaware worth millions. Yet, his net worth is less than Palin's at $150K.
If only Biden had followed McCain's example - he's been on "the public teat" his entire life, cheated on his first wife and married into money. That is how it's meant to be done :cool:
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If only Biden had followed McCain's example - he's been on "the public teat" his entire life, cheated on his first wife and married into money. That is how it's meant to be done :cool:
There is being on the public teat sat on your arse in Congress, and then there is being on the public teat getting shot at, tortured and sat in an A4 on the burning deck of an aircraft carrier. One is considerably tougher than the other - can you guess which?
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There is being on the public teat sat on your arse in Congress, and then there is being on the public teat getting shot at, tortured and sat in an A4 on the burning deck of an aircraft carrier. One is considerably tougher than the other - can you guess which?
I agree there is a difference, but both are still "the public teat". Even excluding McCain's military service he's been suckling longer.
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I agree there is a difference, but both are still "the public teat". Even excluding McCain's military service he's been suckling longer.
Uh, wrong.
Biden was elected to Wilmington city council in 1970 and to the US Senate in 1972, at age 30, while McCain was still a POW in Vietnam. McCain was first elected to office in 1982. So, excluding McCain's military service, Biden has 12 years on McCain, 10 of that federale.
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Uh, wrong.
Biden was elected to Wilmington city council in 1970 and to the US Senate in 1972, at age 30, while McCain was still a POW in Vietnam. McCain was first elected to office in 1982. So, excluding McCain's military service, Biden has 12 years on McCain, 10 of that federale.
You're right, my math was wrong. McCain has been sucking off the public teat for his entire life, but less of it was in done in Washington than Joe Biden. I guess that's something he has going for him.
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Here's a question for you.
Ability or Experience.
Given the option, which would you choose?
I'd pick ability.
Overall, I would pick someone with values and a world view that is at least somewhat similar to mine. =|
I don't particularly want someone with ability and/or experience in leading us down a road over a cliff :mad:
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But there is free stuff at the bottom of the cliff. What's the problem? ???
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But there is free stuff at the bottom of the cliff. What's the problem? ???
Lemmings are socialist animals.
=D
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Tallpine is a reactionary bourgeois oppressor, who keeps the people from falling off the cliff. He is the enemy.
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This has been hashed over elsewhere in many other threads here. The arguments are getting old.
And we have settled exactly what, in this rehashing of the subject?
Geez, this stuff gets old.
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People are just looking for something to bitch about.
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Maybe a better question is how many Americans are "really qualified?"
Half this country is lost, probably terminally.
Great leadership without a great people is an empty concept.
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Maybe a better question is how many Americans are "really qualified?"
Half this country is lost, probably terminally.
Great leadership without a great people is an empty concept.
Just because some people vote for guys you don't like doesn't mean Americans are not a great people.
Americans are the guys who build spacecraft in their back yards and fly them. To space.
Americans are the guys who build fusion reactors for school science projects, and the things work.
Americans are the people who own a full 30% of the world's guns.
There are third-world nations where members of the US military are literally worshipped as gods.
These things would not be possible if American culture were not, at its core, great.
Do not, I repeat, discount the world's greatest nation because the wrong people are in charge.
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I think I found the qualification. It has something to do with this:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thisnation.com%2Fmedia%2Fphotos%2Fconstitution.jpg&hash=56aadb48da48b83cfde162ba247381a4f3ac8cbd)
I think they're supposed to "uphold it" or "defend it" or something like that.
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And nobody's hero provides the definitive answer. Not that Palin is a Constitutional scholar, or will perfectly uphold the document, but she's a whole lot closer than the other three principals. This thread is over.
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This thread is over.
Second the motion.
The motion has been seconded.
All in favor?
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Aye.
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....for now....
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The ayes have it.