Charlie Sheen's 9/11 Comments

[Guest]

82% of CNN poll-takers agree with Charlie Sheen that the official story of the events of 9/11/01 are a government cover-up.

 Interview with Alex Jones

 Please address the various arguments rather than making the fact that "he is an actor" your entire argument.

[RaggedClaws]

How about "he is an idiot actor"?  

[Nitrogen]

Hey, wait a second.
We should listen to Mister Sheen:
He was a fighter pilot.
He was a scientist
He was a baseball player
He was a Navy Seal, as well as a soldier in the Army.

Oh, wait.  he's an actor.  He's only played those parts on TV.
Someone should remind him that playtime does not equal reality.

[K Frame]

OK, he's a bad actor.

His daddy plays the president in another TV show, so that gives him special insight.

He's still a bad actor.

And he's an idiot, too.

[cordex]

Mercedes,
Carlos Estévez is an uninformed celebrity whose opinion is as meaningless as that of Barbra Streissand's.

Alex Jones is a Fifth Circle member of the Illuminati, and what he says is distraction propaganda approved by the genocidal uberstate.  He distracts people from the true threat of munchkin invaders in CIA funded battlesuits.

[Perd Hapley]

Cordex, such enlightenment is too frightening to bear.

I didn't click on the links, but did hear some of Mr. Sheen's comments on the radio (not on the Alex Jones show).  He claims the airliners did not look like airliners.  This is silly.  If I were going to bomb the Twin Towers and claim it was destroyed by airliners, I wouldn't use a different type of plane to play the part of an airliner.  That wouldn't work.  Another interesting bit is that he thinks he is the only one to notice that the buildings fell straight down as if they were controlled-detonated.

[Guest]

Please address the various arguments rather than making the fact that "he is an actor" your entire argument.

What are the various arguments to which you are reffering? The reason that people agree with him is because he plays the president on TV, and everyone knows that TV presidents are way more honest that Real presidents.

[Guest]

Please address the various arguments rather than making the fact that "he is an actor" your entire argument.

What are the various arguments to which you are reffering? The reason that people agree with him is because he plays the president on TV, and everyone knows that TV presidents are way more honest that Real presidents.

So why are you defending the real (dishonest) pres?

 FYI, Martin Sheen plays the pres.

 (nobody else wanted to correct c_yeager on that?)

This is his son, Charlie.

So, now why do 82% of responders agree?

 Some of the observations are that 9/11 looked like a controlled demolition; that Bush didn't act surprised when told of the attack; that TV anchors/commentators also noticed that it looked like a demo; that pols had written that an "event" was needed to get the public to accept neocon plans for US intervention in the Middle East; that governments have planned or staged events before; that the official story is a conspiracy theory, too, unless one believes that four plane attacks were a coincidence; that Bin Laden was/is a CIA asset; that Cheney told US defenses to stand down that morning; that there was a planned exercise that morning similar to what actually happened that confused air traffic controllers; that the war in Iraq was already planned and waiting for an event; that we are asked to believe that the US can't protect its own military headquarters; ......

 More...

[grampster]

Looks to me like there is going to be a massive undersupply of tinfoil soon.  Can anyone buy tinfoil futures?

82% of the POLL TAKERS agree there is a coverup?  Who are the takers? The Taliban?
So who did these 82% Talibani poll takers actually poll?  Al Quaida members?  No wait, I think they did a straw poll of the moonbats that were exiting the last Oscar's show.  As for Mr. Sheen, I believe he is a drug and alcohol abuser and it shows.  Paranoia is a symptom of both.  So are delusions.  But then he does live in a made up world.  He is an actor not a geopolitical fellow at (pick your institution)

Most polls are dreck and are slanted heavily in the direction of those who order them.  He who pays the bill, gets the goods.

Mercedes you ask folks to take a statement you make that is specious on it's face and expect to get reasonable conversation?  C'mon, how can you hold onto such an outrageous position?

If America wanted to be the "empire" about which those of you on the Left seem to be deluding yourselves, there are better ways of doing it since America seems to be the only superpower left on earth.  Iraq is small potatoes in the vast spectrum of geopolitics.  We have the firepower, without using nuclear weapons, to destroy the infrastructure of anyone and everyone we disagree with in the middle east.  Who could stand in the way?  France?  Germany?  Russia? North Korea? China?  No, none of them because their existance depends on America doing what no one else can do.  Stabilize the world and then stand by and take *expletive deleted*it from those who stand on the sidelines.  Teddy Roosevelt had a great quote about bystanders.  Look it up.   That's why America, mostly, can't be accused of doing what Mr. Roosevelt denigrated.   We are not bystanders.  We are not a people who stand by and let history overtake us; we make it and are the better for it.  

  If most folks would engage their brains instead of their emotions, there would be clarity.  The price we have had to pay so far for the implications Iraq represents are also small potatoes.  I say that to not denigrate the sacrifices our country is making in lives, blood, sweat, tears, heartbreak and money.  I mention it as a perspective against the sacrifices America has made over the last 150 years which have made the world a much more civilized place than it would be if the appeasors, socialists, communists, Left wing moonbats, and assorted other ugly gargoyles that have infested the earth since time began had free reign.  

It is also disappointing to see some Americans are so caught up in instant gratification and lack of a knowledge of history that their view of human events are so short sighted and impatient.  It took America nearly 100 years to stabilize.  Freedom also does not come with out risk or sacrifice.  Freedom is not free.
I am, though I disagree with him on many issues, proud of the fact that our president has taken a stand against all the criticism, selfish and avaricious elements, the short sighted and the moonbats, to declare what America stands for unequivocally.  I am even more proud of the brave young men and women who share that vision and boldly put themselves into harms way to promote that notion.

I so wonder why people delude themselves with the conspiracy theory when reality  is clearly in view and so much more interesting and even more scary.

[Guest]

Looks to me like there is going to be a massive undersupply of tinfoil soon.  Can anyone buy tinfoil futures?

82% of the POLL TAKERS agree there is a coverup?  Who are the takers? The Taliban?
So who did these 82% Talibani poll takers actually poll?  Al Quaida members?  No wait, I think they did a straw poll of the moonbats that were exiting the last Oscar's show.  As for Mr. Sheen, I believe he is a drug and alcohol abuser and it shows.  Paranoia is a symptom of both.  So are delusions.  But then he does live in a made up world.  He is an actor not a geopolitical fellow at (pick your institution)

Most polls are dreck and are slanted heavily in the direction of those who order them.  He who pays the bill, gets the goods.

Mercedes you ask folks to take a statement you make that is specious on it's face and expect to get reasonable conversation?  C'mon, how can you hold onto such an outrageous position?

If America wanted to be the "empire" about which those of you on the Left seem to be deluding yourselves, there are better ways of doing it since America seems to be the only superpower left on earth.  Iraq is small potatoes in the vast spectrum of geopolitics.  We have the firepower, without using nuclear weapons, to destroy the infrastructure of anyone and everyone we disagree with in the middle east.  Who could stand in the way?  France?  Germany?  Russia? North Korea? China?  No, none of them because their existance depends on America doing what no one else can do.  Stabilize the world and then stand by and take *expletive deleted*it from those who stand on the sidelines.  Teddy Roosevelt had a great quote about bystanders.  Look it up.   That's why America, mostly, can't be accused of doing what Mr. Roosevelt denigrated.   We are not bystanders.  We are not a people who stand by and let history overtake us; we make it and are the better for it.  

  If most folks would engage their brains instead of their emotions, there would be clarity.  The price we have had to pay so far for the implications Iraq represents are also small potatoes.  I say that to not denigrate the sacrifices our country is making in lives, blood, sweat, tears, heartbreak and money.  I mention it as a perspective against the sacrifices America has made over the last 150 years which have made the world a much more civilized place than it would be if the appeasors, socialists, communists, Left wing moonbats, and assorted other ugly gargoyles that have infested the earth since time began had free reign.  

It is also disappointing to see some Americans are so caught up in instant gratification and lack of a knowledge of history that their view of human events are so short sighted and impatient.  It took America nearly 100 years to stabilize.  Freedom also does not come with out risk or sacrifice.  Freedom is not free.
I am, though I disagree with him on many issues, proud of the fact that our president has taken a stand against all the criticism, selfish and avaricious elements, the short sighted and the moonbats, to declare what America stands for unequivocally.  I am even more proud of the brave young men and women who share that vision and boldly put themselves into harms way to promote that notion.

I so wonder why people delude themselves with the conspiracy theory when reality  is clearly in view and so much more interesting and even more scary.

My first post is only 5 freakin' lines long, with a couple of links! Why didn't you click on them before making a fool of yourself, like c_yeager did? If you are not interested in who carried out the 9/11 attacks, don't post on my thread. And, at your apparent age you should be ashamed of all of that baseless namecalling.

[Guest]

So why are you defending the real (dishonest) pres?

I am?

FYI, Martin Sheen plays the pres.

 (nobody else wanted to correct c_yeager on that?)

This is his son, Charlie.

I cant tell the difference, and I doubt many others can either, that is the point.

So, now why do 82% of responders agree?

I just told you why, but you dont want to listen because you are trying to get a bunch of people to jump on board with your idiotic conspiracy theory, and it isnt going to happen. Maybe 82% of people who vote in CNN polls about Charlie Sheen agree with some portion of your theory, but out here you arent going to get as much mileage.

[gunsmith]

Sheen is a stupid actor. Period.
online polls are easy to manipulate, we do it all the time on thr, it's quite entertaining.

[The Rabbi]

Looks to me like there is going to be a massive undersupply of tinfoil soon.  Can anyone buy tinfoil futures?

82% of the POLL TAKERS agree there is a coverup?  Who are the takers? The Taliban?
So who did these 82% Talibani poll takers actually poll?  Al Quaida members?  No wait, I think they did a straw poll of the moonbats that were exiting the last Oscar's show.  As for Mr. Sheen, I believe he is a drug and alcohol abuser and it shows.  Paranoia is a symptom of both.  So are delusions.  But then he does live in a made up world.  He is an actor not a geopolitical fellow at (pick your institution)

Most polls are dreck and are slanted heavily in the direction of those who order them.  He who pays the bill, gets the goods.

Mercedes you ask folks to take a statement you make that is specious on it's face and expect to get reasonable conversation?  C'mon, how can you hold onto such an outrageous position?

If America wanted to be the "empire" about which those of you on the Left seem to be deluding yourselves, there are better ways of doing it since America seems to be the only superpower left on earth.  Iraq is small potatoes in the vast spectrum of geopolitics.  We have the firepower, without using nuclear weapons, to destroy the infrastructure of anyone and everyone we disagree with in the middle east.  Who could stand in the way?  France?  Germany?  Russia? North Korea? China?  No, none of them because their existance depends on America doing what no one else can do.  Stabilize the world and then stand by and take *expletive deleted*it from those who stand on the sidelines.  Teddy Roosevelt had a great quote about bystanders.  Look it up.   That's why America, mostly, can't be accused of doing what Mr. Roosevelt denigrated.   We are not bystanders.  We are not a people who stand by and let history overtake us; we make it and are the better for it.  

  If most folks would engage their brains instead of their emotions, there would be clarity.  The price we have had to pay so far for the implications Iraq represents are also small potatoes.  I say that to not denigrate the sacrifices our country is making in lives, blood, sweat, tears, heartbreak and money.  I mention it as a perspective against the sacrifices America has made over the last 150 years which have made the world a much more civilized place than it would be if the appeasors, socialists, communists, Left wing moonbats, and assorted other ugly gargoyles that have infested the earth since time began had free reign.  

It is also disappointing to see some Americans are so caught up in instant gratification and lack of a knowledge of history that their view of human events are so short sighted and impatient.  It took America nearly 100 years to stabilize.  Freedom also does not come with out risk or sacrifice.  Freedom is not free.
I am, though I disagree with him on many issues, proud of the fact that our president has taken a stand against all the criticism, selfish and avaricious elements, the short sighted and the moonbats, to declare what America stands for unequivocally.  I am even more proud of the brave young men and women who share that vision and boldly put themselves into harms way to promote that notion.

I so wonder why people delude themselves with the conspiracy theory when reality  is clearly in view and so much more interesting and even more scary.

+1 to the Grampster.  Nice to see prospect of surgery hasnt dulled your wit or senses.  Nice use of the word "dreck" btw.

[Gewehr98]

Is this the same Charlie Sheen who was arrested for alcoholism, drugs, and domestic abuse, and factored into the Heidi Fleiss story?

I doubt even the Taliban would want him.

[grampster]

Er...Mercedes.  What makes you right and me wrong?  I didn't specifically call anyone a name; merely pointed out definitions of some groups of people, who for the most part, sadly, daily expose themselves, and worse, get a bully pulpit.   I wonder, if your only purpose was to direct folks to some links to generate debate, why you have become so defensive.  To parphrase Muhammed Ali (loosely) "If it's true it ain't (braggin')" namecalling.

For myself, I choose to believe in the word of honorable men and women (some of whom I know) that have had boots on the ground in combat, or those men or women of character that have some first hand knowledge of events, who have spent years in the service of our country.  It seems to me a conspiracy of the size than Mr. Sheen and his ilk propose, would fall apart by the sheer weight of the egos that would need to be held in check.

As for my age, I think some might agree that 62 years, of which maybe 50 might be considered sentient, especially if one was brought up properly by interesting parents and associates, might just have a fairly discerning viewpoint vs those immersed in fantasy and the delusion that fame somehow grants wisdom.

For the record.  I don't believe Mercedes to be a moonbat, nor do I intend to insult his/her opinions.  In fact, I enjoy Mercedes' posts and the arm wrestling that occurs here from time to time.  Perhaps I mistook Mercedes' desire for comment on Mr. Sheens opinions to be his/her beliefs.  I don't think I did.  If I came off that way, I apologize.  I do think, however, Mr. Sheen is a moonbat and I am convinced that there are a number of people on this planet that fit the descriptions that I put forth to a T.  I otherwise stand by my comments.

Shalom, Rabbi.

[Perd Hapley]

Sheen claims the collapse of the WTC looked like a controlled demolition.  I wonder, if you were to blow up the WTC from the inside, while blaming it on a couple of passenger jets, would you go to all the trouble to "control" the demolition?  Why?  Just blow it already.  

And Sheen claims the jet airliners didn't look like jet airliners.  So, the Illuminati figured they'd blame the whole thing on jihadis flying airliners, but then ended up using the wrong planes?  Boy, those suckers are dumb.

[grampster]

Am I stupid or what?

[brimic]

The link is to prisonplanet.com  I'm even going to pollute my brain with that crap by clicking on the interview video link.

Controlled demolition?  What, the terrorists went back to the drawing board and became much more skilled at placing explosives after they failed to blow up the WTC a decade earlier?

[280plus]

Some of the observations are that 9/11 looked like a controlled demolition;

I'd say it WAS a controlled demolition. I'm sure some form of engineers were involved in the planning.

[Ben]

Didn't look like airliners? "They" really did screw up. All "They" had to do was tell the boys at Area 72 Delta Zulu to temporarily retool the underground plant where the X-307s are made and have it churn out a a few airliners.

"They" also didn't use enough money to pay the people pretending to be the relatives of "dead" passengers. Somebody is blabbing.

[Guest]

So why are you defending the real (dishonest) pres?

I am?

Your critique implies that you believe the "official" (presidential) explanation for the attacks.

FYI, Martin Sheen plays the pres.

 (nobody else wanted to correct c_yeager on that?)

This is his son, Charlie.

I cant tell the difference, and I doubt many others can either, that is the point.

Between father and son???!!!

So, now why do 82% of responders agree?

I just told you why, but you dont want to listen because you are trying to get a bunch of people to jump on board with your idiotic conspiracy theory, and it isnt going to happen. Maybe 82% of people who vote in CNN polls about Charlie Sheen agree with some portion of your theory, but out here you arent going to get as much mileage.

That's O.K. It should be at least as interesting as grits, trucks, mowers and cell phones.
 
All I'm going for is exposure of the differing views so that when the true plot is discovered, APers will recall discussing it.

[Guest]

Sheen is a stupid actor. Period.
online polls are easy to manipulate, we do it all the time on thr, it's quite entertaining.

I'm  not sure what you mean, but here is the CNN question:

 "Do you agree with Charlie Sheen that the U.S. government covered up the real events of the 9/11 attacks? "

 Now, I suppose that anything is possible; CNN could be downright crooked (motive?). But people are answering "yes" or "no" to that question and about 84% of 45,725 voters are saying they agree. Where's the manipulation?

 It is a fallacy that because someone is wrong about one thing he is therefore wrong about everything.

[Guest]

Is this the same Charlie Sheen who was arrested for alcoholism, drugs, and domestic abuse, and factored into the Heidi Fleiss story?

I doubt even the Taliban would want him.

Cutting-edge logic.

 Funny how flustered this worldview-challenge makes state-worshippers.

[Guest]

Sheen claims the collapse of the WTC looked like a controlled demolition.  I wonder, if you were to blow up the WTC from the inside, while blaming it on a couple of passenger jets, would you go to all the trouble to "control" the demolition?  Why?  Just blow it already.

I believe that he was speaking of WTC #7 - the one that collapsed but wasn't hit by a plane.

[280plus]

That poll is bogus anyways. It does not represent a random polling, it represents those who, for some strange reason, feel it necessary to vote in an online query. The fascination escapes me. I suspect the results are so skewed because those who believe there is some .gov conspiracy is going on would be more inclined to run and vote while the majority those that think the whole idea is ludicrous couldn't be bothered  to take the time to go to the website and vote. Me being one of them.