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For the geek in all of us - 1 petaflop sustained
« on: June 24, 2008, 07:05:17 AM »
A true one petaflop machine.

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Scientists unveiled the world's fastest supercomputer Monday, a $100 million machine that for the first time has performed 1,000 trillion calculations per second in a sustained exercise.


An IBM engineer inspects the world's fastest computer in the company's Poughkeepsie, New York, plant.

 The technology breakthrough was accomplished by engineers from the Los Alamos National Laboratory and the IBM Corp. on a computer to be used primarily on nuclear weapons work, including simulating nuclear explosions.

The computer, named Roadrunner, is twice as fast as IBM's Blue Gene system at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, which itself is three times faster than any of the world's other supercomputers, according to IBM.

"The computer is a speed demon. It will allow us to solve tremendous problems," said Thomas D'Agostino, head of the National Nuclear Security Administration, which oversees nuclear weapons research and maintains the warhead stockpile.

But officials said the computer also could have a wide range of other applications in civilian engineering, medicine and science, from developing biofuels and designing more fuel-efficient cars to finding drug therapies and providing services to the financial industry.

To put the computer's speed in perspective, if every one of the 6 billion people on Earth used a hand-held computer and worked 24 hours a day, it would take them 46 years to do what the Roadrunner computer can do in a single day.

IBM and Los Alamos engineers worked six years on the computer technology.

Some elements of the Roadrunner can be traced to popular video games, said David Turek, vice president of IBM's supercomputing programs. In some ways, he said, it's "a very souped-up Sony PlayStation 3."

"We took the basic chip design [of a PlayStation] and advanced its capability," said Turek.

But the Roadrunner supercomputer is nothing like a video game.

The interconnecting system occupies 6,000 square feet with 57 miles of fiber optics and weighs 500,000 pounds. Although made from commercial parts, the computer consists of 6,948 dual-core computer chips and 12,960 cell engines, and it has 80 terabytes of memory.

The cost: $100 million.

Turek said that in a two-hour test May 25, the computer achieved a "petaflop" speed of sustained performance, something no other computer had ever done. It did so again in several real applications involving classified nuclear weapons work this past weekend.

"This is a huge and remarkable achievement," Turek said.

A "flop" is an acronym meaning floating-point-operations per second.

One petaflop is 1,000 trillion operations per second. Only two years ago, there were no actual applications in which a computer achieved 100 teraflops -- a tenth of Roadrunner's speed -- said Turek, noting that the tenfold advancement came over a relatively short time.

The Roadrunner computer, now housed at the IBM research laboratory in Poughkeepsie, New York, will be moved next month to the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

Along with other supercomputers, it will be key "to assure the safety and security of our [weapons] stockpile," D'Agostino said. With its extraordinary speed, it will be able to simulate the performances of a warhead and help weapons scientists track warhead aging, he said.

But the computer -- and more so the technology that it represents -- marks a future for a wide range of other research and uses.

"The technology will be pronounced in its employment across industry in the years to come," Turek predicted.

Michael Anastasio, director of the Los Alamos lab, said that for the first six months, the computer will be used in unclassified work including activities not related to the weapons program. After that, about three-fourths of the work will involve weapons and other classified government activities.

Anastasio said the computer, in its unclassified applications, is expected to be used not only by Los Alamos scientists but by others. He said there can be broad applications such as helping develop a vaccine for HIV, examine the chemistry in the production of cellulosic ethanol or understand the origins of the universe.

And Turek said the computer represents still another breakthrough, particularly important in these days of expensive energy: It is an energy miser compared with other supercomputers, performing 376 million calculations for every watt of electricity used.
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Re: For the geek in all of us - 1 petaflop sustained
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2008, 07:10:24 AM »
Imagine the games you could play on it. grin
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2008, 07:13:14 AM »
Imagine the games you could play on it. grin
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2008, 07:15:56 AM »
The funny thing is that there's actually a formula for undertaking certain super-computing jobs where you can predict that it's faster to wait for computers and microprocessors to advance and start it later on the faster machine, than it is to start computing on the job now.  laugh
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2008, 07:59:37 AM »
I wonder what this means for cryptography.....
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2008, 08:19:34 AM »
I wonder what this means for cryptography.....

Not a lot. Unless someone comes up with a mathematical shortcut, even common commercial and open-source cryptography has been pushed several orders of magnitude beyond the curve of Moore's Law and the increase in computing power.

The advantage, mathematically speaking, always goes to the encryptor. It's very easy to add complexity, every digit longer in the encryption key exponentially increases the number of solutions that need to be tested in a brute force attack. With a 2048 bit RSA key, assuming there's no undocumented exploitable flaw, this newest machine would still probably be hard pressed to break open-source PGP encryption that uses a well-chosen agressive keyphrase before the sun leaves the main sequence and starts going red-giant.

OTOH, as quantum computing gets online, all bets are off. It does that Shrodinger's Cat dead/not dead spooky "compute all the solutions at once", sort of thing.

Fortunately there's quantum encryption too. Which is unbreakable unless you've got the fundamental ability to alter the physical laws of the universe. And it has the added benifit that quantum encryption can even tell the reciever if someone tried to read the message because the quantum signature is altered by the very act of (unsuccessfully) reading the message.
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2008, 08:54:41 AM »
Quantum encryption is fun. Due to Heisenberg's principle, if you try to inspect the quantum packets without the key, you've already changed them and thus made them into gibberish.

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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2008, 09:47:39 AM »
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Fortunately there's quantum encryption too. Which is unbreakable unless you've got the fundamental ability to alter the physical laws of the universe. And it has the added benifit that quantum encryption can even tell the reciever if someone tried to read the message because the quantum signature is altered by the very act of (unsuccessfully) reading the message.

Really? Is that available to the public, or do you need some type of multi-million dollar top secret computer to run it?
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2008, 12:49:52 PM »
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"a very souped-up Sony PlayStation 3."

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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2008, 01:16:03 PM »
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Scientists unveiled the world's fastest supercomputer Monday, a $100 million machine that for the first time has performed 1,000 trillion calculations per second in a sustained exercise.

Don't worry - the next version of MS Windows and Office will slow it down to a crawl  undecided
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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2008, 01:45:43 PM »
They talk about curing AIDS and exploring the Big Bang...

But I'm fairly certain it will end up piped into a core internet relay in LA or New York where it can deconstruct and analyze domestic IP packets for our dear DHS.
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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2008, 02:25:22 PM »
One has to wonder how long it took to tell it to do all that  laugh
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2008, 04:33:17 PM »
6948 Dual processors running in parallel.  shocked

I read that some computer engineer calculated the number of processors running in parallel necessary to simulate the human brain. ... don't remember the number but it wasn't all that large.

Are we approaching the time when a computer could actually become sentient?

A 1000 trillion floating point operations a second! We can't be far away.
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2008, 05:09:06 PM »
That old crap will be obsolete in 6 months. They'd be lucky to get 25% back on their return if they can get some sucker on Ebay to buy it.  grin

Oh, and the new Windows 7.0 is going to use all of it's resources so that they can show some pretty new sparkly rippling windows and happy paper clips that pop up and tell you how great you are.

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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2008, 06:01:10 PM »
... and happy paper clips that pop up and tell you how great you are.

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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2008, 09:10:49 PM »
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Imagine the games you could play on it.

Most of the technological advances of the last 30 years can be attributed to two desires: Games and Porn.
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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2008, 04:25:54 AM »
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Fortunately there's quantum encryption too. Which is unbreakable unless you've got the fundamental ability to alter the physical laws of the universe. And it has the added benifit that quantum encryption can even tell the reciever if someone tried to read the message because the quantum signature is altered by the very act of (unsuccessfully) reading the message.

Really? Is that available to the public, or do you need some type of multi-million dollar top secret computer to run it?

You need a physical medium that can represent the quantum states that encrypt the data, or a direct line of sight laser beam, thag can be altered by the correct interorgating quantum state that tries to read it, or the incorrect one and destroys it and alerts the reciever to the attempted tap.

So right now quantum encryption is more of a transmission protocol and not a storage format. Generally it's quantum entanglment of photons, or by a photons polarization state in a fiber optic network.  Although it's not impossible someone could figure out "quantum RAM" or a quantum optical disk someday.

And currently you could have a computer network that's linked together only by quantum encrypted fiber optic links. (I suspect there's a few high security .gov/.mil and high end .com systems out there.) However, you could still walk up to such a machine if it wasn't locked down and take data away on a disk or thumb-drive etc.

It's quite possible you could make a machine with a very tight operating system and hardware design that only allows input and output on the quantum encrypted fiber optic network though.
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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2008, 07:25:43 AM »
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6948 Dual processors running in parallel.  shocked

I read that some computer engineer calculated the number of processors running in parallel necessary to simulate the human brain. ... don't remember the number but it wasn't all that large.

Are we approaching the time when a computer could actually become sentient?

A 1000 trillion floating point operations a second! We can't be far away.

Read the July Wired issue. It used to be a science-fiction staple that one day the number of computers on the internet would equal the number of synapses in the human brain and once that magical number was reached, stuff (R) would happen. But apparently we are passed that point and (I think) nothing has. Except lolcatz.
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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2008, 09:33:14 PM »
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It used to be a science-fiction staple that one day the number of computers on the internet would equal the number of synapses in the human brain and once that magical number was reached, stuff (R) would happen. But apparently we are passed that point and (I think) nothing has. Except lolcatz.

So what you're saying is we've reached the equivalent of a human brain that's been stoned since Junior High??  And if we're living in the Matrix, then I won't take the Red Pill, but drink the "detox" tea?

Whoa!


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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2008, 09:45:11 PM »
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Imagine the games you could play on it.

Most of the technological advances of the last 30 years can be attributed to two desires: Games and Porn.

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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2008, 10:17:38 PM »
Do not underestimate the Jihadis desire for porn.  They simply repress it until they can finally blame it on someone else, which leads them to kill indiscriminately.

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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2008, 02:37:08 PM »
Do not underestimate the Jihadis desire for porn. 


America has been famous for its 'sexual depravity', it's pin-ups, dancing girls, and so forth, since at least the late 19th century.

And you know what happened when America, with it's runaway capitalism, its porn, its consumerism, encountered a culture with patriarchal  values and a focus on loyalty and discipline?

First, that culture had its merchant navy destroyed, their capital put to the torch, and over 95% of their industrial production capacity trashed.

And then America nuked them.

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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2008, 02:53:32 PM »
And now they produce some of the worlds most bizarre porn.

Connection?
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« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2008, 02:53:39 PM »
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"The computer is a speed demon. It will allow us to solve tremendous problems," said Thomas D'Agostino...

Oh, yeah? Like how come my T shirts always come out of the dryer inside-out?
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« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2008, 02:56:03 PM »
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"The computer is a speed demon. It will allow us to solve tremendous problems," said Thomas D'Agostino...

Oh, yeah? Like how come my T shirts always come out of the dryer inside-out?

How about where all the missing socks go?
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