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Re: Hurray -- Carbon Free Sugar!
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2009, 12:39:43 PM »
Quote from: French G. on May 09, 2009, 11:24:20 PM
Al Gore's light bill?

It would take a lot of credits to cover those megawatts, not to mention the gas powered driveway lights and the private jet.
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Re: Hurray -- Carbon Free Sugar!
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2009, 01:47:22 PM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on May 09, 2009, 08:12:55 PM
I have a serious question.

what activities do carbon-credits actually fund?
If that really is a serious question I have no idea why you'd expect a serious answer from this group. If you're looking for ManBearPig jokes on the other hand... ;/

Anyway, judging by this site it looks like they are mainly supposed to pay for carbon sequestration, reforestation, and investment in renewable energy and efficiency.
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Re: Hurray -- Carbon Free Sugar!
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2009, 01:49:19 PM »
If you dislike the posters on this forum (and feel the need to insult us whenever you can) I wonder why you post here?
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Re: Hurray -- Carbon Free Sugar!
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2009, 02:13:43 PM »
Quote from: ronnyreagan on May 11, 2009, 01:47:22 PM

Anyway, judging by this site it looks like they are mainly supposed to pay for carbon sequestration, reforestation, and investment in renewable energy and efficiency.

See this is my point. I was waiting for someone to post this.

It is POSSIBLE to off-set the release of CO2 into the athmosphere by funding actvities that reduce the amount of CO2 in there (I don't know that research into 'renewable energy' in the future actually does that directly). If you fund (a pound of sugar + off-setting the CO2 release that occured in the production of this pound of sugar), then you are, effectively, funding a zero net emission process.

If you are a person that believes releasing CO2 into the athmosphere is bad, then maybe this is what you should do.

It's certainly not dumber than people who pay extra money to ensure their food is kosher or halal.
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Re: Hurray -- Carbon Free Sugar!
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2009, 02:24:09 PM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on May 11, 2009, 02:13:43 PM
It is POSSIBLE to off-set the release of CO2 into the athmosphere by funding actvities that reduce the amount of CO2 in there (I don't know that research into 'renewable energy' in the future actually does that directly). If you fund (a pound of sugar + off-setting the CO2 release that occured in the production of this pound of sugar), then you are, effectively, funding a zero net emission process.

That's the theory, but it's not what happens.  Most of the techonology to make carbon offsets worthwhile is still somewhat speculative.  Planting trees is a real world solution, but it takes a while before the offsets really get going.  By that time, you've already produced more than the tree is going to take care of. 

Currently, the offset programs are primarily good for allowing people to feel (or more accurately claim) that they are doing good.  If you can afford enough carbon credits to offset private jet use, you won't be able to afford the private jet.
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Re: Hurray -- Carbon Free Sugar!
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2009, 02:36:32 PM »
Yeah, but we're not talking about private jets here, we're talking sugar.
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Re: Hurray -- Carbon Free Sugar!
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2009, 02:44:34 PM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on May 11, 2009, 02:36:32 PM
Yeah, but we're not talking about private jets here, we're talking sugar.

We're talking about both really. To get "carbon free" sugar, they likely artificially compartmentalized the product line.  Only a certain portion of overhead was allocated to that product line (instead of being spread around as you would with any mass-market product).  If the execs travelled to X to discuss products including this one, the other products got the full overhead expense, not this one.  The same with telecons (which generate carbon in and of themselves) or equipment upgrades (lots of carbon there).  That way, they reduce the offsets they have to buy. 
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Re: Hurray -- Carbon Free Sugar!
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2009, 03:47:56 PM »
Quote from: tyme on May 09, 2009, 01:25:33 PM
To anyone who actually read the FAQ on that site, they are not claiming that their sugar doesn't contain carbon.  Their choice of terms may be unfortunate, but they clearly state that their use of "carbon free" is intended to mean that the product has a neutral carbon footprint.


Isn't carbon a neutralizer of sorts anyway (as it's used in all sorts of filters and deodorizers)? ???
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Re: Hurray -- Carbon Free Sugar!
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2009, 10:56:26 AM »
Quote from: seeker_two on May 11, 2009, 03:47:56 PM
Isn't carbon a neutralizer of sorts anyway (as it's used in all sorts of filters and deodorizers)? ???

I think carbon dioxide is what we're really talking about.
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Re: Hurray -- Carbon Free Sugar!
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2009, 11:17:44 AM »
Want to reduce CO2.................stop breathing...........chris3
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Re: Hurray -- Carbon Free Sugar!
« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2009, 02:08:17 PM »
Well since sugar contains a lot of carbon molecules, wouldn't producing sugar 'capture' carbon  ??
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Re: Hurray -- Carbon Free Sugar!
« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2009, 02:39:20 PM »
Quote from: scout26 on May 12, 2009, 02:08:17 PM
Well since sugar contains a lot of carbon molecules, wouldn't producing sugar 'capture' carbon  ??

Producing ANY plant would "capture" carbon.

Quite literally as plants use CO2 for photosynthesis.
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Re: Hurray -- Carbon Free Sugar!
« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2009, 03:17:21 PM »
Quote from: makattak on May 12, 2009, 02:39:20 PM
Producing ANY plant would "capture" carbon.

Quite literally as plants use CO2 for photosynthesis.

Producing a product from said plant generates CO2.  It also precludes that plant from capturing any further CO2.

We need to stop vegetarians!  They are killing the plants that will save the world!
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Re: Hurray -- Carbon Free Sugar!
« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2009, 09:50:18 PM »
Quote from: buzz_knox on May 12, 2009, 03:17:21 PM
Producing a product from said plant generates CO2.  It also precludes that plant from capturing any further CO2.

We need to stop vegetarians!  They are killing the plants that will save the world!

Either that....or make them breathe CO2 to make up for the loss....
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Re: Hurray -- Carbon Free Sugar!
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2009, 09:52:44 PM »
Carbon free sugar?  I'll settle for tax free sugar.

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