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Re: Saudi judge looks into severing the spinal cord of a criminal
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2010, 12:56:51 PM »
I concur

I'd agree with this if they got to choose their leaders, which they don't (short of revolution)
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Re: Saudi judge looks into severing the spinal cord of a criminal
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2010, 01:07:29 PM »
Maybe I'm strange, but I really get no gratification at all from the thought of torturing criminals. I really do think that if I/'we' do that, it does bring us to a lower moral level.

This.  Maybe it is just to inflict the same damage on a perpetrator as his victim received, but that does not make it moral.  It is my opinion that there is something wrong with a third party(I can understand the victim's desire to inflict suffering) prescribing what amounts to torture.

If it warrants the inflictment of permanent paralysis, it warrants a swift death.  Anything less is bloodthirst(the bad kind).

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Re: Saudi judge looks into severing the spinal cord of a criminal
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2010, 01:49:04 PM »
I'd agree with this if they got to choose their leaders, which they don't (short of revolution)

Revolution is also a choice.
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Re: Saudi judge looks into severing the spinal cord of a criminal
« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2010, 01:55:41 PM »
Revolution is also a choice.

Great. So when you're a dissident in Soviet Russia, with your face being stepped on by the KGB, that's somehow your fault because you don't have enough compatriots to launch a revolution?
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Re: Saudi judge looks into severing the spinal cord of a criminal
« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2010, 03:05:20 PM »
 ;/

Nitrogen was talking about a choice made by an entire group, not one dissident.  So am I.
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Re: Saudi judge looks into severing the spinal cord of a criminal
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2010, 05:03:18 PM »
My goodness.  Using the ancient precept of an eye for an eye, a Saudi judge is asking hospitals to intentionally damage the spinal cord of a criminal who caused paralysis in his victim.  I wonder if any healthcare facility in the Kingdom will perform the surgery. 

You are not citing the article correctly. At this point, at least, the judge has NOT asked any hospital to perform the procedure. He has asked them IF it can be done.
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Re: Saudi judge looks into severing the spinal cord of a criminal
« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2010, 05:05:38 PM »
This.  Maybe it is just to inflict the same damage on a perpetrator as his victim received, but that does not make it moral.  It is my opinion that there is something wrong with a third party(I can understand the victim's desire to inflict suffering) prescribing what amounts to torture.

But morality is not an absolute. Morality is opinion. Muslims consider themselves to be moral, and us westerners to be immoral. What you are really saying is that their concept of morality is different from yours. (And mine, I might add.)
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Re: Saudi judge looks into severing the spinal cord of a criminal
« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2010, 06:12:39 PM »
You are not citing the article correctly. At this point, at least, the judge has NOT asked any hospital to perform the procedure. He has asked them IF it can be done.

I am sure such semantic distinctions are a great comfort to the sentenced individual.   [popcorn]

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Re: Saudi judge looks into severing the spinal cord of a criminal
« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2010, 06:30:48 PM »
But morality is not an absolute. Morality is opinion. Muslims consider themselves to be moral, and us westerners to be immoral. What you are really saying is that their concept of morality is different from yours. (And mine, I might add.)

Is that opinion, or "absolute"?
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Re: Saudi judge looks into severing the spinal cord of a criminal
« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2010, 07:12:57 PM »
Is that opinion, or "absolute"?

 :lol:

Someone's logic, it negates itself.
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Re: Saudi judge looks into severing the spinal cord of a criminal
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2010, 08:52:18 PM »
I'm sure Barney Frank, Marion Berry, and Sheila Jackson-Lee agree with that statement...  ;/

It wouldn't matter if Charles Manson agreed with the statement, that wouldn't make it wrong on it's own.
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Re: Saudi judge looks into severing the spinal cord of a criminal
« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2010, 10:09:48 PM »
Great. So when you're a dissident in Soviet Russia, with your face being stepped on by the KGB, that's somehow your fault because you don't have enough compatriots to launch a revolution?

Nowhere in the mentioning of "revolution" was the concept that "life is fair" contained. Express or implied.  =)
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Re: Saudi judge looks into severing the spinal cord of a criminal
« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2010, 12:05:36 AM »
But morality is not an absolute. Morality is opinion. Muslims consider themselves to be moral, and us westerners to be immoral. What you are really saying is that their concept of morality is different from yours. (And mine, I might add.)

You're right.

And I don't care.
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Re: Saudi judge looks into severing the spinal cord of a criminal
« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2010, 10:32:14 AM »
Great. So when you're a dissident in Soviet Russia, with your face being stepped on by the KGB, that's somehow your fault because you don't have enough compatriots to launch a revolution?

People can always leave, sneak out or whatever.
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Re: Saudi judge looks into severing the spinal cord of a criminal
« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2010, 10:59:01 AM »
People can always leave, sneak out or whatever.

Wow, they can?

I'm sorry, but this thread is SCREAMING for a Godwinning now.
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Re: Saudi judge looks into severing the spinal cord of a criminal
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2010, 01:49:19 PM »
People can always leave, sneak out or whatever.

I'm sure that ability was a great relief to the residents of Auschwitz and the 20k other camps that Germany set up a number of years ago. 

I find your 'whatever' to be highly questionable...
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Re: Saudi judge looks into severing the spinal cord of a criminal
« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2010, 02:09:07 PM »
Far be it from me to try to un-Godwin a thread.  Personally, I think every other post on APS ought to refer to the Nazis.

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There, got it out of my system.

But, there is little utility comparing the bass-ackward savages that run Saudi to the Nazis(1).  If'n you have any cash, you can leave to most anywhere else.  The vast majority of folks stay because they like it just fine(2).  I went to school with lots of Saudis.  None of them had harrowing tales of their escape.  I bet if they went to INS (at the time) with a sob story about persecution they, like millions of others, could get residency here in the USA.




(1) Little use comparing the Nazis to the "Nazis" of legend, sometimes.  If you weren't already on AH's s*** list, you could serve in the German Army without becoming a soul-compromised creature of darkness.  For instance, the units that did most of the rounding up and carting off of the Jews were composed of folks who wanted to be in those units.  Many, many Germans transferred out of the units to more pedestrian Army units.  They still found puh-lenty of folks to round up folks for genocide.

(2) The gov't petro-cash tittie is mighty tempting to them.
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Re: Saudi judge looks into severing the spinal cord of a criminal
« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2010, 02:57:34 PM »
How good do you think their investigative system is?  
You think it's anywhere approaching as good as ours, that values people's rights at all?
I think that depends on who you are.  If you are a Saudi citizen or 1st world ex-pat, I'm sure they check it out in more detail.
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Re: Saudi judge looks into severing the spinal cord of a criminal
« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2010, 06:15:02 PM »
People can always leave, sneak out or whatever.

Ha. Ha. Ha.

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