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cassandra and sara's daddy

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well anyone know?
« on: March 22, 2010, 08:41:15 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqqDE89pMaw&feature=player_embedded# :facepalm:

so was stupak duped?  or was he amongst the duped? and by proxy his constituents.

or was he complicit in the duping? if your rep was one of the prolife dems send em this with a note promising accountability
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Re: well anyone know?
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2010, 08:58:03 AM »
Volokh had a good post on this:  http://volokh.com/2010/03/22/the-stupak-conundrum-why-did-the-stupak-nine-change-their-positions-on-the-health-care-bill-in-exchange-for-a-meaningless-executive-order/

I tend to agree.  I used to live in Stupak's district and never had the impression he was stupid.  While it may certainly be true that he didn't know executive orders can't override a law, he probably knew they could be rescinded.  Even if he didn't, I am sure one of staffers knows.

This likely allowed him to save face.  He was in a bad position if this didn't pass.  While there were others, he was seen as the leader of the pro-life Dems and there were all sorts of calls from around the country to see him defeated in the next election. 

I don't think most voters are all that bright, so I doubt that they will see him as being complicit.  Most will remember him taking a stand and "forcing" Obama to make a concession.  He is fairly popular in his district, so I think it is hard to say he will lose because of what happened.
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Re: well anyone know?
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2010, 08:59:07 AM »
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Re: well anyone know?
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2010, 09:45:19 AM »
thanks for the move  i wasn't paying attention
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Re: well anyone know?
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2010, 10:53:44 AM »
I'm thinking he was complicit in an attempt to dupe his contituents.

He has to know an executive order will not override legislation.

As such, since the Democrats were shot down on "deem and pass" which would allow him to PRETEND he wasn't voting for Federally subsidized abortion, they gave him another way to pretend he wasn't voting for federally subsidized abortion.

It's obvious his values are for sale for the right price.
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Re: well anyone know?
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2010, 11:07:36 AM »
Quote from: makattak on March 22, 2010, 10:53:44 AM
I'm thinking he was complicit in an attempt to dupe his contituents.

He has to know an executive order will not override legislation.

As such, since the Democrats were shot down on "deem and pass" which would allow him to PRETEND he wasn't voting for Federally subsidized abortion, they gave him another way to pretend he wasn't voting for federally subsidized abortion.

It's obvious his most of congresses' values are for sale for the right price.

FTFY.

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Re: well anyone know?
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2010, 06:50:04 PM »
Yup. Of course he knows all that. He's posturing. Dems are especially good at that.

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Re: well anyone know?
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2010, 11:07:31 PM »
I would bet the price being 30 pieces of silver.   Pelosi through one of her Evil Army of Flying Monkeys "assistant" House leaders controls the purse strings for re-election campaign funds.  So Stupak and the other 9 or 12 were basically told "Accept the Executive Order deal or no money for you this summer and fall." 

Chicago Politics at it's finest....... [barf]
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Re: well anyone know?
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2010, 12:51:51 AM »
sadly in today's prices, i bet it was closer to 300 pounds of plutonium. :facepalm: or $6.7 million, which ever is less. :angel:
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