War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....

[WLJ]

A few more Moskva memes:  https://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1893361&page=68

I'm too lazy to upload the images.  Just scroll down that page.

Looks like they deleted them
Saw them earlier but they're gone now.

[Hawkmoon]

Yep -- they were there when I looked earlier, and now they're gone.

I should have saved them when I could.

[Hawkmoon]

Did it sink or not?

Russian says no.
Ukraine, Turkey, Romania say yes

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-61101906?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=625822ec6b7942142fe945f8%26Turkey%20not%20involved%20in%20Russian%20vessel%20rescue%20-%20official%262022-04-14T13%3A54%3A45.735Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:ac946c06-f709-4bbb-9b9f-2b51ce7bcaf9&pinned_post_asset_id=625822ec6b7942142fe945f8&pinned_post_type=share

Apparently, yes.

https://www.newsweek.com/moskva-cruiser-sinks-black-sea-russia-denies-missile-strike-1698139

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ex-MP Vladimir Bortko - said the fate of the Moskva was grounds for war.

That it! No more hugging,

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-61101906?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=62594277b1e16c43aefe6396%26Sinking%20of%20Moskva%20a%20blow%20to%20national%20pride%262022-04-15T10%3A06%3A17.146Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:7d1bb1f5-92ac-4bfe-80c2-40e745781f9e&pinned_post_asset_id=62594277b1e16c43aefe6396&pinned_post_type=share

[WLJ]

Reports are the Russians attacked the factory where the missiles that they said didn't hit the Moskva are made.

No I didn't misword that

[charby]

I often wonder what would happen if Putin got painted in a corner and started launching nukes?

[Nick1911]

I often wonder what would happen if Putin got painted in a corner and started launching nukes?

Kinda musing on that too.  I don't think the rest of the world would be real interested in jumping into a literal nuclear war.  Appeasement sucks, and might lead to a nuclear war tomorrow, but it beats nuclear war today.

I think it's a little remote still though.  I could see Putin lighting one off as a demonstration in the black sea or sea of azov.

[French G.]

Could very well do it and not just local to that conflict. The economic shutdown really does hurt. The number #2 export is somewhat tarnished too since this hasn't exactly been a sales ad for glorious russian military hardware which we wish to sell your country.

[charby]

Kinda musing on that too.  I don't think the rest of the world would be real interested in jumping into a literal nuclear war.  Appeasement sucks, and might lead to a nuclear war tomorrow, but it beats nuclear war today.

I think it's a little remote still though.  I could see Putin lighting one off as a demonstration in the black sea or sea of azov.

I can see him dropping a nuke on one of the cities in Ukraine that doesn't have historic significance to the Orthodox Church. Possibly Finland since there is no love between them.

[AZRedhawk44]

I can see him dropping a nuke on one of the cities in Ukraine that doesn't have historic significance to the Orthodox Church. Possibly Finland since there is no love between them.

Finland isn't a member of NATO, but they are Western and have Western alliances.  Might as well be.  The US Public, and probably the rest of Europe as well, would be horrified and enraged by a nuke strike on a nation that has never been a Warsaw Pact member, has Western values, and has mostly been a laid back peaceful Scandinavian country for the 20th and 21st centuries.  There's be Arctic naval and air battles almost instantly, to my reckoning.

[charby]

Finland isn't a member of NATO, but they are Western and have Western alliances.  Might as well be.  The US Public, and probably the rest of Europe as well, would be horrified and enraged by a nuke strike on a nation that has never been a Warsaw Pact member, has Western values, and has mostly been a laid back peaceful Scandinavian country for the 20th and 21st centuries.  There's be Arctic naval and air battles almost instantly, to my reckoning.

Probably be short lived naval air battle, since the only Russian Carrier is under repairs due to damage from a crane during a refit. It's kind of crazy how many Russian navy ships are under repair or refit currently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_aircraft_carrier_Admiral_Kuznetsov

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'Highly likely' that Finland will join Nato, says Finland Europe minister
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-61101906?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=625940e26b7942142fe9473e%26%27Highly%20likely%27%20that%20Finland%20will%20join%20Nato%2C%20says%20Finland%20Europe%20minister%262022-04-15T14%3A42%3A56.927Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:6819cd90-001c-4b17-8a96-64c1070222c3&pinned_post_asset_id=625940e26b7942142fe9473e&pinned_post_type=share

[Angel Eyes]

Did the Moskva have nukes on board?

https://www.dailywire.com/news/sunk-russian-flagship-may-have-carried-nuclear-warheads-report

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Somewhere in Ukraine a Ukrainian farmer is yelling "Jack Pot!"

[Angel Eyes]

Ukrainians trolling again:

https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1514941186397683715

[MillCreek]

Not knowing specifics, but I think it is interesting that a modern cruiser-size ship, with modern CIWS, would go down after two anti-ship missile strikes.  I wonder if both missiles struck the target or was at least one neutralized by the CIWS.  If both missiles came through the CIWS, I wonder what that means for Western navies.