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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2625 on: June 24, 2023, 03:31:04 PM »
Lamest.

Insurrection.

EVER.

Jan 6 still holds that title
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2626 on: June 24, 2023, 03:37:56 PM »
Yeah, I would love to have been a fly on the wall for that one. Who gave up what?
My guess is he wasn't getting the support among the higher ups he was hoping for and realized he had to put the brakes on.
But what happens next? I can't see Putin just letting him off on this. And what about the troops?  How long before Prigozhin falls off a balcony?

The other big question is how this will effect the war in Ukraine
I can't see that either.  If he had just taken control of Rostov and that area, it makes more sense.  The dash to Moscow seems like something Putin would not forgive.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2627 on: June 24, 2023, 04:03:44 PM »
"Exile"?
I highly doubt he's going to be safe there considering Belarus is basically a Russian puppet state.


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Wagner boss to leave for Belarus and charges to be dropped - state media

Russian state media have just reported that Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin will leave for Belarus.

The reports say charges against him and his Wagner forces will be dropped by Russian authorities to avoid "bloodshed".
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=64974a7b1babaa614a47324a%26Wagner%20boss%20to%20leave%20for%20Belarus%20and%20charges%20to%20be%20dropped%20-%20state%20media%262023-06-24T19%3A58%3A19.962Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:ea7b2cfc-692c-4516-81bb-8845469ba387&pinned_post_asset_id=64974a7b1babaa614a47324a&pinned_post_type=share
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2629 on: June 24, 2023, 04:10:22 PM »
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Russia offers military roles to Wagner fighters

We've just heard from Dmitry Peskov, President Putin's press secretary.

Peskov says Wagner mercenaries who wish to sign a Ministry of Defence contract can, and fighters who took part today's uprising will not be prosecuted.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=64974bb5523d5b1261708551%26Russia%20offers%20military%20roles%20to%20Wagner%20fighters%262023-06-24T20%3A08%3A06.810Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:fde8715e-645d-4d2d-9986-a8e8eb63ac07&pinned_post_asset_id=64974bb5523d5b1261708551&pinned_post_type=share
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2630 on: June 24, 2023, 04:13:15 PM »
Did anyone expect this to completely fizzle out like this?


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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2631 on: June 24, 2023, 04:22:01 PM »
Lamest.

Insurrection.

EVER.

Except for J6.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2632 on: June 24, 2023, 04:22:28 PM »
Did anyone expect this to completely fizzle out like this?




I was hoping for a real coup for my birthday.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2633 on: June 24, 2023, 05:12:03 PM »
"Lets say he did somehow mange to topple Putin. Then what?

Civil War between multiple factions. Incredibly dangerous.

Ever see the fairly recent movie "Hunter Killer" with Gerard Butler?  It dealt with an attempted military coup as well.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2634 on: June 24, 2023, 05:14:09 PM »
I was hoping for a real coup for my birthday.

I was hoping for more explosions at least.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2635 on: June 24, 2023, 06:18:42 PM »
Anyone want to place bets on how long before Prigozhin accidentally falls off a balcony?

I say two weeks

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2636 on: June 24, 2023, 07:54:38 PM »
Did anyone expect this to completely fizzle out like this?





I am SO very disappointed.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2637 on: June 24, 2023, 09:05:51 PM »
I was hoping for more explosions at least.

I was waiting for a squadron of Russian helicopters to rain hellfire down on the Wagner group column.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2638 on: June 24, 2023, 09:26:20 PM »
I was waiting for a squadron of Russian helicopters to rain hellfire down on the Wagner group column.

You rooten for Putin?

I was hoping they would cancel each other out.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2639 on: June 24, 2023, 09:29:59 PM »
You rooten for Putin?

I was hoping they would cancel each other out.

Not at all, I just figured someone in the Russian military/government would do that to set an example.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2640 on: June 24, 2023, 09:34:01 PM »
Not at all, I just figured someone in the Russian military/government would do that to set an example.
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Check out the video in reply 2600
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2641 on: June 24, 2023, 11:20:37 PM »
I'm sure someone on the left is thinking "Wow! this is just like Jan 6!" or "Jan 6 was worse"

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2642 on: June 24, 2023, 11:55:14 PM »
I was waiting for a squadron of Russian helicopters to rain hellfire down on the Wagner group column.
From what I heard, they had anti-air vehicles traveling with them and shot down several aircraft. 
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2643 on: June 25, 2023, 08:10:38 AM »
Jan 6 still holds that title

Not quite. Our insurrection actually got to the capital, and entered the Capitol. It has it all over that Russian one. :rofl:
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2644 on: June 25, 2023, 11:41:34 AM »
Would love to see confirmation on this but not sure how we could one way or the other.
Did see videos of helicopters and at least one Su-25 being shot down but hard to confirm if that actually occurred during the uprising.

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Putin is believed to have suffered grievous losses as he sought to halt the Wagner 'march of justice' against his corrupt regime towards Moscow as the Wagner Group reportedly killed pilots and crew members during their attempted 'military coup'.

The Wagner group claimed to have shot down multiple Russian helicopters during its assault. Shocking footage shows huge black plumes of smoke rising into the air on a field after what is claimed to be a helicopter was targeted and burst into flames.

Russian forces appeared to confirm three of their attack helicopters had been shot down by Wagner.

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The Russians are reportedly seeking to cover-up the losses of up to 39 pilots and crew in a few hours.

They allegedly included some of Russia's leading air force crew members with one account saying 20-plus combat pilots were killed.

Putin is believed to have lost six helicopters - including three Mi-8 MTPRs specialising in electronic warfare - as well as a sophisticated Il-22 plane used to conduct battle plans at high altitude.

Business as usual, Mr President? Vladimir Putin breaks his silence in 'pre-recorded' interview about 'stepping up efforts' in Ukraine after Prigozhin's failed coup 'inflicted worst daily air force losses of the war with 39 pilots and crew killed by Wagner'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12231577/Putin-suffers-worst-daily-air-force-losses-war-Wagner-kills-39-pilots-crew.html
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2645 on: June 25, 2023, 12:19:17 PM »
I've seen conflicting reports and unsubstantiated photos.

I'd take those numbers with a large grain of salt.  I generally don't believe a vehicle is destroyed (by either side) in this war unless I see the location of the destruction geotagged, or it comes from US ISR sources.

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« Reply #2646 on: June 25, 2023, 02:30:07 PM »
Not quite. Our insurrection actually got to the capital, and entered the Capitol. It has it all over that Russian one. :rofl:

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2648 on: June 26, 2023, 09:49:20 AM »
It's all about the pancakes, people.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2649 on: June 26, 2023, 09:58:44 AM »
Daily Beast reporting Prigozhin has dropped off radar.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/cm/did-prigozhin-just-disappeared-duplicitous-105523850.html

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Could also mean he went underground realizing he is not safe. 

Which also makes me wonder why he stopped when he did.  I can guess at potential reasons, but seems odd to go that far and then get cold feet.
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