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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2700 on: July 09, 2023, 09:31:27 AM »
"So now we're moving the goalposts to "prior to 2018"?  BS."

I didn't set any goalposts. I've said MULTIPLE times that the US had been providing aid to Ukraine for years prior to the invasion - I'm not sure why you're not able to see/comprehend that.


Bullshit.  Now you're just lying.

I'll quote you again:

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The Russian army stalled long before the Ukrainians began receiving any substantial assistance from the west.

That statement is untrue.  And the bold part is clearly a conversational goalpost.

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« Reply #2701 on: July 11, 2023, 09:37:43 PM »
As y'all may be aware, NATO declined to admit Ukraine as a new member.

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« Reply #2702 on: July 12, 2023, 03:12:53 PM »
Another one bite the dust

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Lt Gen Oleg Tsokov is said to have died in a strike on a hotel housing Russian military commanders in Berdyansk, on Ukraine's occupied southern coast.

Russia's defence ministry has not officially confirmed his death. But it was widely announced by Russian war channels on the Telegram messaging app.

TV host Olga Skabeyeva said "absolutely all media" were reporting it.

Ukraine: Russian general reported killed in attack on Berdyansk hotel
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66171638
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« Reply #2703 on: July 14, 2023, 10:41:44 AM »
Looks like Sweden will be joining the gang

Turkey backs Sweden's Nato membership
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66160319
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« Reply #2704 on: July 14, 2023, 10:52:10 AM »
Looks like Sweden will be joining the gang

Turkey backs Sweden's Nato membership
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66160319

Zeihan’s take.

https://youtu.be/VGccm1aZaxw

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« Reply #2705 on: July 14, 2023, 10:39:40 PM »
... and how long until Russian television begins airing "Swan Lake" nonstop.

About that

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MILLIONS of Russians were warned "the hour of reckoning has come" during prime time viewing after Putin's state TV was hacked.

Mainstream broadcasters across the Russian empire were plastered with the ominous message after cyber forces breached their network.

The video was reportedly made by Ukraine's defence ministry and showed rolling footage of their advancements on the battlefield.

It then cut to a blacked-out screen as the warning "the hour of reckoning has come" appeared in bold white Ukrainian words.

Bizarrely, video of ballerinas from Swan Lake then appeared.

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END OF DAYs Millions of Russians warned ‘hour of reckoning has come’ as Putin’s state TV is HACKED in ‘Ukrainian sabotage attack’
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23058745/russians-warned-hour-of-reckoning-state-tv-hacked/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sunyoutubestories


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« Reply #2706 on: July 21, 2023, 07:19:00 PM »
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I'm gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust

Could have been cancer or maybe not

BODY COUNT Billionaire Putin crony Igor Kudryakov, 64, found dead at Moscow apartment in latest high profile death
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23133800/putin-crony-igor-kudryakov-dead/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sunyoutubestories
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« Reply #2707 on: July 21, 2023, 07:46:52 PM »
Isn’t average age at death for Russian adults under 60?

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« Reply #2708 on: July 21, 2023, 07:49:26 PM »
Isn’t average age at death for Russian adults under 60?

Before or after the war?
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« Reply #2709 on: July 21, 2023, 08:12:06 PM »
Before

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« Reply #2710 on: July 22, 2023, 07:45:20 AM »
Without NATO/USA boots on the ground in numbers Zelensky's Ukraine will probably end up as a land locked suburb of Poland.
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« Reply #2711 on: July 26, 2023, 12:32:36 PM »
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« Reply #2712 on: July 26, 2023, 01:14:05 PM »
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« Reply #2713 on: August 04, 2023, 10:12:26 AM »
I assume if CNN is reporting this, the numbers are actually higher.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll-ukraine/index.html

I guess the "replace the LGBT flag in your profile with a uki flag" fad is slowly getting old.

I have been in the "stop the money drops" column since very early on. Randomly throwing cash at them, which is likely going to oligarchs, is ridiculous. Even the arms stuff has gotten out of hand, IMO.

I don't necessarily have a problem with, as mentioned in the article, intelligence and similar help. With the caveat that we're getting truthful info trickling down to the public. I'm still not sure that everything is on the up and up here.
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« Reply #2714 on: August 04, 2023, 10:28:28 AM »
I assume if CNN is reporting this, the numbers are actually higher.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll-ukraine/index.html

I guess the "replace the LGBT flag in your profile with a uki flag" fad is slowly getting old.

I have been in the "stop the money drops" column since very early on. Randomly throwing cash at them, which is likely going to oligarchs, is ridiculous. Even the arms stuff has gotten out of hand, IMO.

I don't necessarily have a problem with, as mentioned in the article, intelligence and similar help. With the caveat that we're getting truthful info trickling down to the public. I'm still not sure that everything is on the up and up here.
What bugs me is that with recent talk about our own Social Security trust fund projected to run out of money in about 10 years, we're still finding the $$$ to prop up the Ukrainian pension system.

This doesn't pass the smell test.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2715 on: August 04, 2023, 12:27:04 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/europe/ukraine-sea-drone-russian-warship-black-sea-intl/index.html

A large Russian amphib is apparently sinking after a sea-borne autonomous drone attack.
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« Reply #2716 on: August 17, 2023, 08:41:07 AM »
They're dead Jim
Stories are a bit short on details

Jailed Russian general, 69, 'who knew secrets of Putin's £1billion ($1.3B) Black Sea palace' dies mysteriously in prison ahead of parole bid - the second top Kremlin commander to perish within days
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-12416387/Jailed-Russian-general-69-knew-secrets-Putins-1billion-1-3B-Black-Sea-palace-dies-mysteriously-prison-ahead-parole-bid-second-Kremlin-commander-perish-days.html

Russian general previously in charge of Ukrainian invasion found dead
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-12414305/Russian-general-previously-charge-Ukrainian-invasion-dead.html
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« Reply #2717 on: August 17, 2023, 09:27:46 AM »
Seems like Kiev and Moscow are competing to see who can kill more Russian officers.

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« Reply #2718 on: August 17, 2023, 09:41:17 AM »
Seems like Kiev and Moscow are competing to see who can kill more Russian officers.

That reminds me about a story I read about the Rhodesian war against terrorists.  The Rhodesian forces in a particular area kept a scoreboard.  "Our losses", "Terrorists killed by us" and "Terrorists killed by other terrorists."  The Rhodesians considered themselves to be winning if the second number was higher than the third....

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« Reply #2719 on: August 17, 2023, 10:56:55 AM »
Put the Russian and Ukrainian booths right next to each other   >:D

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2720 on: August 17, 2023, 12:14:14 PM »

Jailed Russian general, 69, 'who knew secrets of Putin's £1billion ($1.3B) Black Sea palace' dies mysteriously in prison ahead of parole bid - the second top Kremlin commander to perish within days
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-12416387/Jailed-Russian-general-69-knew-secrets-Putins-1billion-1-3B-Black-Sea-palace-dies-mysteriously-prison-ahead-parole-bid-second-Kremlin-commander-perish-days.html

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« Reply #2721 on: August 21, 2023, 09:22:10 AM »
Ed Nash with some updated info on the F-16 deal and the possibility of Ukraine getting Gripens from Sweden as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEP6-tTh07A
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« Reply #2722 on: August 21, 2023, 09:19:14 PM »
Wagner back in the news

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The U.S. Embassy in Belarus issued an alert Monday for all American citizens in the country to leave immediately and warned against traveling there.

The warning comes after Lithuania closed two of its major border crossings with Belarus over concerns about the Russian mercenary group Wagner that has established operations in the country.

US citizens in Belarus told to ‘depart immediately’
https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-citizens-belarus-told-depart-immediately
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« Reply #2723 on: August 22, 2023, 09:40:14 AM »
The border closings happen last week I thought.  Poland has done some changes on their border as well.  Russia or Belarus directly attacking a NATO country would be a serious escalation.  I assume Putin is ticked off that Poland is openly supporting and supplying arms to Ukraine. 
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« Reply #2724 on: August 23, 2023, 01:43:46 PM »
And scratch Prigozhin, maybe

Live Wagner boss Prigozhin on passenger list of crashed plane - Russia
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-66599774

Wagner group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin feared dead in plane crash: Jet believed to be carrying warlord 'falls from the sky' north of Moscow two months after failed coup
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12437935/Private-plane-believed-transporting-Wagner-chief-Yevgeny-Prigozhin-crashes-Russia.html
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