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When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« on: September 08, 2008, 01:36:41 AM »
When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?

Steve Chapman

September 7, 2008



This year's Republican National Convention had a different theme for each day. Monday was "Serving a Cause Greater than Self." Tuesday was "Service," Wednesday was "Reform" and Thursday was "Peace."

"We must, and we shall, set the tide running again in the cause of freedom. And this party, with its every action, every word, every breath, and every heartbeat, has but a single resolve, and that is freedom. "

Barry Goldwater, accepting the 1964 Republican presidential nomination

So what was missing? Only what used to be held up as the central ideal of the party. The heirs of Goldwater couldn't spare a day for freedom.

Neither could the Democrats. Their daily topics this year were "One Nation," "Renewing America's Promise" and "Securing America's Future." The party proclaimed "an agenda that emphasizes the security of our nation, strong economic growth, affordable health care for all Americans, retirement security, honest government, and civil rights." Expanding and upholding individual liberty? Not so much.

Forty-four years after Goldwater's declaration, it's clear that collectivism, not individualism, is the reigning creed of Republicans as well as Democrats. Individuals are not valuable and precious in their own right but as a means for those in power to achieve their grand ambitions.

You will scour the presidential nominees' acceptance speeches in vain for any hint that your life is rightfully your own, to be lived in accordance with your beliefs and desires and no one else's. The Founding Fathers set out to protect "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," but Barack Obama has a different idea.

The "essence of America's promise," he declared in Denver, is "individual responsibility and mutual responsibility"rather than, say, individual freedom and mutual respect for rights. The "promise of America," he said, is "the fundamental belief that I am my brother's keeper; I am my sister's keeper."

In reality, that fundamental belief is what you might call the promise of socialism. What has set this country apart since its inception is not the notion of obligations but the notion of rights.

"All previous systems had regarded man as a sacrificial means to the ends of others, and society as an end in itself," wrote the novelist and philosopher Ayn Rand. "The United States regarded man as an end in himself, and society as a means to the peaceful, orderly, voluntary co-existence of individuals."

That idea got lost somewhere between Thomas Jefferson and John McCain. What do Republicans believe in? McCain told us Thursday: "We believe in a strong defense, work, faith, service, a culture of life, personal responsibility, the rule of law . . . We believe in the values of families, neighborhoods and communities."

Would it be too much to mention that what sustains the American vision of those things is freedom? That without it, personal responsibility becomes hollow and service is servitude?

Apparently it would. Republicans are big on promoting freedom abroad, but in this country, the term encompasses a lot of things they don't likethe right to a "homosexual lifestyle," the right to protest the Iraq war, the right to privacy, the right not to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, and more. Conservatives who once thought Americans had too little freedom now sometimes think they have too much.

Liberals, on the other hand, are wary of embracing freedom precisely because of its historic importance to the right. They fear it means curbing the power of a government whose reach they want to expand.

While they value many personal liberties, they have no great attachment to forms of freedom that involve buying, selling, trading and accumulating. Those, after all, can involve selfishness, and Democrats, like Republicans, don't want to protect selfishness.

But freedom isn't freedom without the right to pursue what you valuemoney or knowledge, pleasure or sacrifice, God or atheism, community or misanthropic solituderather than what others think you should value. It includes the right to go to hell, and the right to tell others to do the same.

The latter is a valuable prerogative that we have not yet lost. After watching the conventions, if you have the urge to use it on either of the two major parties, feel free. If he were alive, Barry Goldwater might join you.

Steve Chapman is a member of the Tribune's editorial board. He blogs at chicagotribune.com/chapman and his e-mail address is schapman@tribune.com

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped0907chapmansep07,0,5991702.column
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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2008, 02:55:52 AM »
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Forty-four years after Goldwater's declaration, it's clear that collectivism, not individualism, is the reigning creed of Republicans as well as Democrats. Individuals are not valuable and precious in their own right but as a means for those in power to achieve their grand ambitions.

Those who define the terms almost always win the arguments. The collectivists have pushed long and hard to dumb down America. We're nearly dumb enough to elect the cockroaches.
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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2008, 03:26:13 AM »
Freedom is now 'fringe.'

Microbalrog: Any reason why your post contains a link to start a new topic?

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[Freedom] includes the right to go to hell, and the right to tell others to do the same.

I like his writing style.

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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2008, 03:44:20 AM »
Sorry for that. Was C+Ping an URL and accidentally posted the URL of the site I was on when making the post (au naturel, APS' 'make a new post' page) rather than the site the article came from.

Fixed now.
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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2008, 05:54:57 AM »
We have the choice this election between a socialist and a communist Sad

I have some hope for Palin, though, in 2012 (or maybe before).
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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2008, 06:53:21 AM »
We have the choice this election between a socialist and a communist Sad

I have some hope for Palin, though, in 2012 (or maybe before).

Palin is a moderate reformer. She's nice. She's no knight-on-white-horse.
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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2008, 07:23:48 AM »
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She's no knight-on-white-horse.

More like a she-bear on a snow machine  grin
Freedom is a heavy load, a great and strange burden for the spirit to undertake. It is not easy. It is not a gift given, but a choice made, and the choice may be a hard one. The road goes upward toward the light; but the laden traveller may never reach the end of it.  - Ursula Le Guin

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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2008, 07:59:17 AM »
Because freedom means you don't get "free" health care, a minimum wage, subsidized mortagages, and the federal government can't arbitrarily decide that abortion suddenly became an inalienable right out of nowhere.
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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2008, 10:58:19 AM »
That was a good article. Freedom is the most important thing a man can have.
At an assembly today our principle said that in America we have the freedom to express ourselves, but not the freedom to offend others. That is total BS.  angry angry The Bill of rights aknowledges that we have the freedom to express ourselves. Part of that freedom is the right to disagree with and offend others. I am still mad about that.

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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2008, 05:41:56 PM »
How old are you, freedom lover?

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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2008, 10:05:26 AM »
17. I'll be 18 quite soon. Got one more year of high school after this. I guess it shows, since I am ill-informed about politics and recent American history. Schoolwork leaves little time for reading books. If they're gonna ban me, it was nice being a member.

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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2008, 10:23:11 AM »
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17. I'll be 18 quite soon.
 
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If they're gonna ban me, it was nice being a member.
  You in the doghouse, bro?  police  It's not from this thread.  Yours was a well-reasoned response.  When I was 17-18, I could be in the middle of a sentence and if there were certain sources of distractionheygirlwhat'sgoin'on?  What was I saying?   laugh

Be careful in school.  Teachers/admin have long memories.  Do well, become valedictorian and THEN light 'em up!  grin 

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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2008, 10:36:46 AM »
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You in the doghouse, bro?

Nope. I just expect the mods to ban me since I am not 18.

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When I was 17-18, I could be in the middle of a sentence and if there were certain sources of distractionheygirlwhat'sgoin'on?  What was I saying?

There's no cute babes in my house, but I was the same way in junior high. I probably still would be if I was not on prescription medication.


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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2008, 10:49:24 AM »
Why in the world would they ban you for being 17?
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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2008, 10:55:42 AM »
Why in the world would they ban you for being 17?

Exactly, the young are the easiest to corrupt.

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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2008, 11:33:30 AM »
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Why in the world would they ban you for being 17?

Maybe I'm just overly paranoid. I probably got the idea they would because most teenagers have a bad reputation for being innapropriate on serious boards. Plenty of 'em have been banned at THR (I read threads there.) Of course, I'm sure most of them have deserved it.

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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2008, 11:46:50 AM »
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Why in the world would they ban you for being 17?

Maybe I'm just overly paranoid. I probably got the idea they would because most teenagers have a bad reputation for being innapropriate on serious boards. Plenty of 'em have been banned at THR (I read threads there.) Of course, I'm sure most of them have deserved it.

You'll be fine here.

Heck I've been on here and THR before this forum since I was 15-16.

I'm all for freedom.  But that kind of Rand-inspired, wookie-suit wearing, paulian voting, non-socialist thinking doesnt have any place in the world anymore.

Honestly, I think its a natural cycle.  Inevitably, a free society turns into a socialist society when the populous realizes they can vote for free stuff for them at the expense of a minority.  Ultimately, the big producers (Exxon et al.) decide they have had enough, and move off shores and the country becomes poorer.


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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2008, 03:34:03 PM »
i'm glad to know your age. while you and i see things very differently you do far better than many of your peers at expressing your positions. many of which i look forward to disagreeing with. i do ask you let us know the firstr time yoyu find yourself sounding like your dad. horrible moment
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2008, 04:06:44 PM »
We've had members your age before.  One is now a mod.  Behave and you'll be just fine.  Believe it or not, some of our adult members can't even do that much.

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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2008, 04:56:51 AM »
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I'm all for freedom.  But that kind of Rand-inspired, wookie-suit wearing, paulian voting, non-socialist thinking doesnt have any place in the world anymore.

This is sarcasm, yes?
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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2008, 06:50:08 AM »
i'm glad to know your age. while you and i see things very differently you do far better than many of your peers at expressing your positions. many of which i look forward to disagreeing with. i do ask you let us know the firstr time yoyu find yourself sounding like your dad. horrible moment

If it doesn't happen soon, just wait until you raise your kids.
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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2008, 10:15:20 AM »
Guys, thanks for the advice, respect, and support. It's good to know that I won't be banned unless I do something innapropriate. I appreciate that you people take me seriously and treat me equally.

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Re: When did the idea of freedom become a political orphan?
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2008, 07:07:05 PM »
i'm glad to know your age. while you and i see things very differently you do far better than many of your peers at expressing your positions. many of which i look forward to disagreeing with. i do ask you let us know the firstr time yoyu find yourself sounding like your dad. horrible moment

If it doesn't happen soon, just wait until you raise your kids.

I've instructed 2Swap to immediately smack me in the face if I ever start acting like my Dad.
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