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Title: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: LadySmith on December 06, 2006, 03:35:15 AM
In talking to a friend the other day, I see that there are some strange and interesting conspiracy theories out there.
He believes the current government interest in health is driven by the desire to have readily available healthy organs ready for future harvest by politicians and the rich. According to him, the smokers and obese being an economic burden is hogwash because they cut their lives short (thereby avoiding long-term and expensive health care) and because the medical establishment is not interested in saving their lives if theyre not covered by insurance. He also believes that if a major famine hits, healthy people will be eaten.
I also work with a guy who firmly believes Tupac is still alive and faked his death to get out of the thug life.
Another coworker refuses to vote because she believes the outcome has been predetermined. She said she voted before for people and issues that lost, everyone she asked also voted practically the same as she did, therefore, based upon her impromptu poll, voting must be rigged.
What about you? Heard anything that made you come close to fashioning a tin foil hat of your very own?
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Stickjockey on December 06, 2006, 03:44:58 AM
My aunt has asked me several times about the black helicopters flying around Portland. (Until recently, we had a squadron of EH-60 PaveHawks based at PDX doing local S&R work.) She's convinced they're doing some sort of weird surveillance work.

My Brother in-Law refuses to join the NRA. He's convinced it's a front for the Government to get a list of gun owners.
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Eleven Mike on December 06, 2006, 04:23:52 AM
A fellow called the local radio show this morning, and claimed that the NAZI's hated Jews mainly because they killed Christ.  He also claimed that Christianity was entirely responsible for slavery in America. 
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: richyoung on December 06, 2006, 05:19:16 AM
I am dead-certain that FDR knew that Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked - but did NOT know that torpedoes dropped from airplanes could be used at PH, NOR that the Japanese had modified battleship shells into aerial AP bombs, so allowed the attack to go ahead, convinced that the old battlewagons could not be seriously hurt...
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: meinbruder on December 06, 2006, 06:45:22 AM
I am dead-certain that FDR knew that Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked - but did NOT know that torpedoes dropped from airplanes could be used at PH, NOR that the Japanese had modified battleship shells into aerial AP bombs, so allowed the attack to go ahead, convinced that the old battlewagons could not be seriously hurt...

In a similar vein, here's a two'fer; I bought a roll of heavyweight tinfoil when I heard these.  The .gov knew about the pending attack of Sep 11th, did nothing to stop it, and then used it for political advantage.  >switch on Darth Vader voice< "Did Bush follow in the footsteps of FDR?  Only history will show!" >voice off<   

Separately, the Pentagon was hit by a destructive missile not a passenger jet, this one is even searchable on the internet.  The claim is "supported" by an almost credible lack of debris from the aircraft.  On the other hand, it doesn't explain where the forth airliner went.  Maybe it's still flying in the Twilight Zone?       
}:)>
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Chuck Dye on December 06, 2006, 06:58:56 AM
To the best of my knowledge, this one was invented out of whole cloth some time after the third pitcher of beer by persons who shall remain unnamed:

Who hired James Earl Ray?  Choosing martyrdom over ignominy, Martin Luther King hired Ray upon learning that he would soon die of a disease acquired from a woman not his wife (or a man?)  The true conspiracy in the death of MLKJr. is not in the shooting, it is in the sanitizing of medical records and autopsy results.    grin grin grin
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: The Rabbi on December 06, 2006, 07:24:33 AM
U.S. emissions from burning carbohydrons were responsible for Hurricane Katrina.  This seems to be accepted wisdom in Europe, btw.

The Jews were responsible for [fill in name of disaster here].
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: wingnutx on December 06, 2006, 07:38:54 AM
The claim is "supported" by an almost credible lack of debris from the aircraft.     

Only if you cherry-pick photos that don't show all the bits of airliner scatted on the lawn. The ones that do, well, just don't show those.

Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Sindawe on December 06, 2006, 07:41:34 AM
The strangest I've ever heard about is the speculation by one David Icke.

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In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the Illuminati are a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

I've read The Biggest Secret and that pretty much sums it up.
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: brimic on December 06, 2006, 08:04:11 AM
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and that many prominent figures are reptilian
Some of the posters heremight be reptilian. laugh
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: roo_ster on December 06, 2006, 08:22:58 AM
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and that many prominent figures are reptilian
Some of the posters heremight be reptilian. laugh
Sssurely that issss unssssupported bythe data.
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: griz on December 06, 2006, 08:37:15 AM
1. Some people who believe the US government actually orchestrated the 9-11 attacks for reasons unkown.
2. A carburetor that will cause an old pushrod V-8 to get 100 MPG was patented, but Detroit or the oil companies bought the patent to keep people dependant on gasoline.
3. My favorite:  I know a couple people who believe that rich people do not pay taxes.  This is because of secret loopholes that only they know about.
4. I will go ahead and list psychics here and apologize in advance to the folks who believe.
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Fjolnirsson on December 06, 2006, 10:42:38 AM
My two favorites I've heard are both from a highly intelligent high school girl I know.
 http://www.haarp.net/Apparently, Bush orchestrated Katrina using Haarp.
The second I don't have an url for, and don't remember all that well. The gist is that Earth was "seeded" by aliens millenia ago, and now that alien seed is coming to the forefront, resulting in children with amazing alien powers. These children are highly intelligent, and frequently are diagnosed with ADD/ADHD and autism, among other things.

 laugh
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Vodka7 on December 06, 2006, 12:47:49 PM
My father, who otherwise has never subscribed to any type of conspiracy theory in his life, is absolutely convinced the CIA assassinated Malcolm X.
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Matthew Carberry on December 06, 2006, 12:59:21 PM
My two favorites I've heard are both from a highly intelligent high school girl I know.
 http://www.haarp.net/Apparently, Bush orchestrated Katrina using Haarp.
The second I don't have an url for, and don't remember all that well. The gist is that Earth was "seeded" by aliens millenia ago, and now that alien seed is coming to the forefront, resulting in children with amazing alien powers. These children are highly intelligent, and frequently are diagnosed with ADD/ADHD and autism, among other things.

 laugh

http://skepdic.com/indigo.html

"Indigo" children, named for the color of their unique auras.

See, they are "special" and "gifted", not normal kids poorly parented.  rolleyes

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how to recognize the Indigo Child

The Indigo Child is recognizable by his or her aura and by certain other traits, according to The Indigo Children website (owned by Kryon Writings).

They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it)
They have a feeling of "deserving to be here," and are surprised when others don't share that.
Self-worth is not a big issue. They often tell the parents "who they are."
 They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).
They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in line is difficult for them.
They get frustrated with systems that are ritually oriented and don't require creative thought.
They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in school, which makes them seem like "system busters" (nonconforming to any system).
They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often extremely difficult for them socially.
They will not respond to "guilt" discipline ("Wait till your father gets home and finds out what you did").
They are not shy in letting you know what they need.
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Fjolnirsson on December 06, 2006, 02:02:46 PM
Yep, that's the one.....
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Brad Johnson on December 06, 2006, 02:15:14 PM
Well, I don't know about you guys and gals, but all that stuff they advertise at 3 a.m. on TV works exactly like they say it does. They even doubled my order for free! All I had to do was pay a small shipping and handling charge...

Brad
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: griz on December 06, 2006, 02:51:52 PM
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Well, I don't know about you guys and gals, but all that stuff they advertise at 3 a.m. on TV works exactly like they say it does. They even doubled my order for free! All I had to do was pay a small shipping and handling charge...

I KNEW it was true!! grin  Where's my credit card shocked
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: RayannaDeerfox on December 06, 2006, 07:06:26 PM
I've been working on writing a type of sci-fi novel where children are 'hooked' into a machine that allows them to live a full life (i.e. life here on earth) in a matter of minutes, thereby allowing them a lifetime of knowledge in a short period of time.  I explained my (unwritten) novel to a friend of mine who exclaimed, "Yes!  It's true!  And when you wake up you find the Blue Water People!"  He was completely serious.  How, in Gods' name, do you look at that person again with a straight face?

P. S.  He believes in the Illuminati thing, too.... He calls them the "Snake People"
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Guest on December 06, 2006, 07:33:37 PM
Quote from: RayannaDeerfox
How, in Gods' name, do you look at that person again with a straight face?

You don't. You pat them on the head and walk away.
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: RocketMan on December 06, 2006, 07:36:58 PM
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In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the Illuminati are a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.

Damn, that explains so much about my ex-wife.  I'm paying alimony to a snake.
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Antibubba on December 06, 2006, 08:11:30 PM
Boxcar Willie???

That explains everything!
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: gunsmith on December 07, 2006, 12:54:51 AM
I was having a heated political disscussion at work with a black co worker who was trying to tell me the NRA
founded the KKK.
I guided him thru a short history of reconstruction and the difference between Nathan Bedford and U Grant
...He was SHOCKED & didn't believe the NRA was founded by Union officers and Lincoln was not a Dem, that the KKK were the Dem's.

 He pointed his finger at me and told me how "Katrina followed the same path as the slave ships"
then stormed off.

I guess thats a conspiracy theory...only what one I was to confused to ask.
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: 280plus on December 07, 2006, 01:38:08 AM
I recall a while back, me and this cute girl (woman) I liked were driving down a dark back country road. She says to me, dead serious, "I don't like these roads at night. I don't want to be abducted by aliens." I was thinking , "Hmmm... just about time to take you home. "   cheesy

Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Fly320s on December 07, 2006, 04:43:38 AM
Take her home?

Aren't you supposed to run out of gas?
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: StopTheGrays on December 07, 2006, 06:47:50 AM
There is a rumor that George HW Bush was involved with the assassination of JFK.

You have to read this for yourself to get the full jist of the reasoning behind the claim. Anything I snip and post would not do it justice...

http://www.planetquo.com/The-George-H-W-Bush-JFK-Murder-Connection


Then there is the contrails, which:
Distribute mass inoculations to some unknown disease, or
Distribute components of some unknown disease


My favorite theory is that any alien research or remains have been removed from Area 51 to a Biochem warfare base located in a remote part of Utah. This is where tons of contaminated have been moved to as well because the base is supposed to be free from EPA inspections and regs due to the top secret nature of the base. It is also has less chance of people wanting to sneak in due to the chems and bio hazards in the place.
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: richyoung on December 07, 2006, 08:56:51 AM
There is a rumor that George HW Bush was involved with the assassination of JFK.

You have to read this for yourself to get the full jist of the reasoning behind the claim. Anything I snip and post would not do it justice...

http://www.planetquo.com/The-George-H-W-Bush-JFK-Murder-Connection


Then there is the contrails, which:
Distribute mass inoculations to some unknown disease, or
Distribute components of some unknown disease


My favorite theory is that any alien research or remains have been removed from Area 51 to a Biochem warfare base located in a remote part of Utah. This is where tons of contaminated have been moved to as well because the base is supposed to be free from EPA inspections and regs due to the top secret nature of the base. It is also has less chance of people wanting to sneak in due to the chems and bio hazards in the place.


That would be Dugway Proving Grounds, Utah.  I've been there.  Beleive me, there's almost no reason to go there, lotsa of reasons not to, plus the fact that "there's no 'there' there..."
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: wingnutx on December 07, 2006, 09:20:17 AM
You can find plenty of true-believers on indymedia.org

Check the page for your home state/town.

Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Marnoot on December 07, 2006, 09:31:14 AM
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That would be Dugway Proving Grounds, Utah.
Some place it there, but many "new Area 51" theorists place it in eastern Utah. I can't remember exactly where. I think it might have been the Green River Complex near Helper. There is a 1.5 mile long airstrip out there, certainly long enough for some of the larger military aircraft. But it being the new Area 51, I highly doubt.
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Strings on December 07, 2006, 12:48:23 PM
Honestly, I've always thought Area 51 was a case of smoke and mirrors. Could there be some kind of government research about aliens, possibly including remains of such? Sure... it's possible. If there is, I doubt Area 51 has ever been involved: I think it's meant to distract the populace (and any possible foreign agents) from wherever the actual site is...
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: 280plus on December 07, 2006, 12:57:55 PM
 cheesy

No, not when things like THAT come out of them.  shocked

Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 07, 2006, 01:48:11 PM
Speaking of George H.W. Bush the spook:

In the aftermath of the 2000 election, a local "African" * talk show host thought it was mighty suspicious that Pres.-elect Bush's father had previously been the head of the Secret Police (the CIA).  I called to ask her why the sitting Pres. and Veep wouldn't have more secret influence on elections, but she just screamed at me and hung up. 


*Yeah, that's right, African.  She doesn't want to be called Black or American, even though she was born here.
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Antibubba on December 08, 2006, 10:37:29 AM
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I don't want to be abducted by aliens." I was thinking , "Hmmm... just about time to take you home. " 

Maybe she didn't want to be abducted, but she might have been okay with getting probed.    angel
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: molonlabe on December 08, 2006, 10:55:57 AM
No but I would like to share this cause I LMAO
http://eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Judas on December 08, 2006, 03:12:54 PM
well, that elections are all rigged is probably stretching the truth a bit.
That computerized elections are accurate and truthful...well.
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Waitone on December 08, 2006, 03:38:29 PM
My favorite is a double super secret clandestine black organization in the fedgov has learned to control the weather.  Specifically hurricanes can now be whistled up and steered to a target.  But, the Japanese mob managed to steal the technology and is now busy fighting the double super secret clandestine black organization because it is aligned with the Illuminati and George HW Bush.  The Reason Katrina was do damaging is both groups were busy trying to steer the hurricane.  The illuminati wanted to flush NO and the Japanese mob wanted Mobile flushed.
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: MechAg94 on December 08, 2006, 04:34:35 PM
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Separately, the Pentagon was hit by a destructive missile not a passenger jet, this one is even searchable on the internet.  The claim is "supported" by an almost credible lack of debris from the aircraft.  On the other hand, it doesn't explain where the forth airliner went.  Maybe it's still flying in the Twilight Zone?
Go to www.snopes.com for this one. 
Real good conspiracies are not supposed to have actual physical proof that can be used to debunk them.  Smiley
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: ilbob on December 08, 2006, 06:38:52 PM
many people believe so called green house gases are causing the earth's temperature to rise.
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Winston Smith on December 08, 2006, 07:27:50 PM
guns cause crime?
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 09, 2006, 04:37:59 AM
No but I would like to share this cause I LMAO
http://eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php
Superb!
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: 280plus on December 09, 2006, 12:11:42 PM
Ok, now THAT was disturbing.  grin
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: mustanger98 on December 09, 2006, 04:07:59 PM
Separately, the Pentagon was hit by a destructive missile not a passenger jet, this one is even searchable on the internet.  The claim is "supported" by an almost credible lack of debris from the aircraft.  On the other hand, it doesn't explain where the forth airliner went.  Maybe it's still flying in the Twilight Zone?       
}:)>

That fourth airliner somehow got stuck in the Bermuda Triangle. Yeah, really...
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Cosmoline on December 09, 2006, 05:19:42 PM
Honestly, I've always thought Area 51 was a case of smoke and mirrors. Could there be some kind of government research about aliens, possibly including remains of such? Sure... it's possible. If there is, I doubt Area 51 has ever been involved: I think it's meant to distract the populace (and any possible foreign agents) from wherever the actual site is...

That's right on the money.  Area 51 is probably the worst kept "secret" base in the world.  It's ironically the best known military facility aside from the Pentagon itself.  For many decades sightseers could go to a nearby mountain and look at the jets with telescopes.  Anything the DOD flew out of there they WANTED people to see.  The real secret bases are, of course, secret.  But try telling some of the Art Bell crowd that and they turn violent  grin 
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Strings on December 09, 2006, 07:08:09 PM
Cosmo, I had one young lady here try telling me that all the secret bases are interconnected, underground: Area 51, some place in the Rockies, one in LA...  rolleyes
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 10, 2006, 06:30:19 PM
The second I don't have an url for, and don't remember all that well. The gist is that Earth was "seeded" by aliens millenia ago, and now that alien seed is coming to the forefront, resulting in children with amazing alien powers. These children are highly intelligent, and frequently are diagnosed with ADD/ADHD and autism, among other things.

Ah, yes -- the "blue baby" theory.
Title: Re: Conspiracies & Strange (non-religious) Beliefs
Post by: 280plus on December 11, 2006, 08:51:59 AM
My stepdaughter is an alien? That WOULD explain a few things.  laugh