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Space Crime
« on: August 24, 2019, 02:20:01 PM »
Apparently the first crime (alleged) committed off world:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nasa-astronaut-identity-theft-bank-account-divorce-wife

I never thought about who might have jurisdiction on the ISS.
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2019, 02:34:12 PM »
In before the lock.   :lol:
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2019, 06:09:52 PM »
Where's the diversity brigade? Here we have a first that's a woman AND a lesbian, but I don't see them excited about it.
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2019, 11:26:03 PM »
I don't know much about the space program, but the only two astronaut criminals that come to mind are women.
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2019, 01:48:08 AM »
Quote from: fistful on August 24, 2019, 11:26:03 PM
I don't know much about the space program, but the only two astronaut criminals that come to mind are women.

Obviously, the diversity brigade will have to recruit some male criminals into the space program.
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2019, 09:06:50 AM »
Quote from: fistful on August 24, 2019, 11:26:03 PM
I don't know much about the space program, but the only two astronaut criminals that come to mind are women.

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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2019, 09:09:56 AM »
You must believe the woman
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2019, 09:22:43 AM »
Actually the OP wasn't about women or gays, it was about how one might prosecute crimes in space, or if currently, one could get away with committing crimes in space. If you're in the ISS, could you ask for asylum in a member country? If you're in a US spacecraft, I would presume, that like with an embassy, you are on "US soil".

There may already be legal documentation covering this, but I've never heard of any.
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2019, 09:42:34 AM »
In this case it was committed by a NASA employee on a NASA computer and maybe on NASA time so that might be a factor in jurisdiction also 
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2019, 09:50:24 AM »
Quote from: Boomhauer on August 25, 2019, 09:42:34 AM
In this case it was committed by a NASA employee on a NASA computer and maybe on NASA time so that might be a factor in jurisdiction also 

I don't know, but I'm guessing crimes must have been committed by now in Antarctica. Laws are likely tied to individual country outposts, but there must be some guidelines for the continent itself. Those might be precedent for "space law".
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2019, 12:29:40 PM »
Jurisdictional issues don't matter much any more - consider the prosecutions in the U.S.A. of drug lords who never set foot in U.S. territory. Or the "human rights" prosecutions by some European nations of people who never set foot in their country or harmed one of their citizens.
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2019, 12:45:34 PM »
Airlock her until she confesses.
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2019, 01:01:21 PM »
Yep.  Space her.
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2019, 01:05:13 PM »
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2019, 01:58:17 PM »
Sweet, another home town girl!!!  Spokane now has the white NAACP president who pretends to this day to be black and now the 1st known space criminal...... it must be the heavy metals in the water from all of the mining upstream. ;)

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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2019, 10:01:03 AM »
Spacecraft are in the legal jurisdiction of the sponsoring nation which launched them.

In the case of the ISS that gets muddied quite a bit.  The astronaut would have launched from Russia.  Then docked with the Russian portion of the ISS, then moved into portions deployed by the US during the Shuttle era.

But, I'm sure that there is already treaty or international agreement paperwork in the ISS founding documents that assigns legal jurisdiction for the actions of any astronaut back to his or her originating nation by default, to be sorted later via diplomatic channels if necessary.

Jurisdiction talk comes up a lot for SpaceX and Mars colonization fans.  In particular, what will it take for an outpost to actually become Martian rather than Chinese or American or whatever.  Never really considered it in context of a multinational outpost like the ISS though.
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2019, 11:04:22 AM »
I guess I hadn't realized they had regular internet access from the space station. 
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2019, 11:16:04 AM »
Quote from: MechAg94 on August 26, 2019, 11:04:22 AM
I guess I hadn't realized they had regular internet access from the space station. 

They more than likely flow through a NASA firewall.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/nasa-communications-network-to-double-space-station-data-rates
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2019, 12:04:00 PM »
Quote from: Ben on August 24, 2019, 02:20:01 PM
Apparently the first crime (alleged) committed off world:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nasa-astronaut-identity-theft-bank-account-divorce-wife


Ms. McClain has a novel defense:

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McClain has denied these allegations, telling the inspector general’s office in an interview last week that she was acting in routine by checking the family’s finances to make sure they had sufficient funds to pay bills for their son.

Although they've been involved in an acrimonious divorce proceeding for a year, she refers to Worden's bank account as "the family's finances," and she refers to Worden's son as "their son" even though she (McClain) is not an adoptive parent. Good luck with that.
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2019, 07:40:13 PM »
Love wins.
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2019, 11:17:28 PM »
Quote from: fistful on August 26, 2019, 07:40:13 PM
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2019, 12:27:49 PM »
I am disappoint, I was expecting some hot girl on girl space action... lez’s in real life always disappoint.
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Re: Space Crime
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2019, 06:50:40 PM »
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Re: Space Crime
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2019, 06:26:35 AM »
Where’s Trump’s Space Force when it’s needed?


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