Man bites dog!, Journalist taken in by fake story that confirms his bias

[makattak]

Oh, and the bias? Religion is an unhealthy delusion and the religious ought to be considered mentally ill:

http://www.thenewsnerd.com/health/apa-to-classify-belief-in-god-as-a-mental-illness/

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/sarah-stites/2015/07/27/journalist-laments-we-wont-be-forcing-faithful-straightjackets

Seems Mr. Tayler wants to put his political opponents in Jail er.. an "institution."

Other quotes from the fully rational Mr. Tayler:

“Imagine, so many Supreme Court justices and Republican politicians, from Antonin Scalia to Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum, disqualified in one fell swoop on mental health grounds from holding public office!”

He'd be eager to load us all onto cattle cars.

[roo_ster]

Yep, one of hte biggest reasons to not give up arms is due to folk like him in positions of influence.

[vaskidmark]

strong and passionate belief in a deity or higher power, to the point where it impairs one’s ability to make conscientious decisions about common sense matters

Define "conscientious", "decisions", and "common sense matters".

Because taken at the commonly understood meanings, there is a guy living off of welfare in DC who exhibits the problem of not being able to make conscientious decisions about common sense matters, and who professes to have a strong and passionate belief in a deity or higher power.  I'll be glad to point out where he lives.

Did you know that not being mentally ill is a mental illness?

Someone has got to put a stop to this scamming of third party reimbursement payers.

stay safe.

[BlueStarLizzard]

The issue with the APA and it's latest round of attempts to add to the DSMV is that they seem to have confused the possibility of mental illness based on actual symptoms with other stuff.

The whole "100% of serial killers drank milk as children, there for drinking milk causes people to become serial killers" issue.

There are certainly people out there who's mental illness is expressed in religious terms, but being religious is not a mental illness in of itself.

Neither is being a gun owner.

[MechAg94]

Amazing how many people view "common sense" as anything they agree with....but I guess that is why it is not a legal term.

[Firethorn]

There are certainly people out there who's mental illness is expressed in religious terms, but being religious is not a mental illness in of itself.

This was what I was thinking.

[BlueStarLizzard]

This was what I was thinking.

Well, religion does lend itself well as a "rational" reason to hearing voices. If someone is clinging to any sanity they might possess, god speaking to them is a lot nicer concept than their brain is FUBAR.

[dogmush]

Well, religion does lend itself well as a "rational" reason to hearing voices. If someone is clinging to any sanity they might possess, god speaking to them is a lot nicer concept than their brain is FUBAR.

This happened to my cousin's ex.  Started hearing voices, convinced himself it was God, then started obeying the voice, hard left into *expletive deleted*ing crazy.  My cousin and her kid got out before the fire, but there's some trauma there.

[MechAg94]

There are religious examples, but there are also plenty of examples that are non-religious.  Take the author of the article for example.   

[230RN]

MechAg94 remarked,

Amazing how many people view "common sense" as anything they agree with....but I guess that is why it is not a legal term.

No, but "reasonable" and "reasonable man" are, with the same pitfalls.

[BlueStarLizzard]

MechAg94 remarked,

No, but "reasonable" and "reasonable man" are, with the same pitfalls.

Damned If You Do (2004)

Sister Mary Augustine: I don't believe He is inside me, and is going to save me, I believe He is inside me whether I live or die.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0606018/quotes?item=qt0435104

I would say this would be my personal marker for the difference between religious refusal and religiously based delusions.
Basically, if a person is capable of understanding the reality of what science says are their chances, than they are capable of refusing medical assistance on whatever grounds they want.
I'm pretty sure a lot of those Jehovah's Witnesses know they will die without blood or surgery. If that's what they want, then let them die.

The only issue I wouldn't want to touch with a 100 foot pole is someone with religious beliefs refusing medical care for a child that will result in the probably death of the child when the medical care is standard medical practice.

[TommyGunn]

I would say this would be my personal marker for the difference between religious refusal and religiously based delusions.
Basically, if a person is capable of understanding the reality of what science says are their chances, than they are capable of refusing medical assistance on whatever grounds they want.
I'm pretty sure a lot of those Jehovah's Witnesses know they will die without blood or surgery. If that's what they want, then let them die.
The only issue I wouldn't want to touch with a 100 foot pole is someone with religious beliefs refusing medical care for a child that will result in the probably death of the child when the medical care is standard medical practice.

I know a few Jehovah's Witnesses and they do not reject surgery -- in fact one has undergone several surgeries.
They do reject blood transfusions,  but will accept blood expanders.
I respect a lot of their beliefs, however, I do have some problems with their principles of neutrality in so far as international politics is concerned....and their abstintion from participating in voting.  

[Firethorn]

and their abstintion from participating in voting.  

Apparently that's an individual thing.

[vaskidmark]

It's mainly Christian Scientists, and I think 7th Day Adventists too.

As for what you do when it is a child?  Two options: try to convince the courts that the child, regardless of their protestations otherwise, is too young to have sincerely held religious beliefs and seek an order taking the kid away and another telling doctors to treat; or you stop trying to impose your will and beliefs on another.

styay safe.

[230RN]

^

...you stop trying to impose your will and beliefs on another.

Well, now, you see, that's reasonable to them.

But not to me, with me being a firm believer in letting everyone go to hell in their own choice of handbasket --at whatever speed they choose.