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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Balog on December 04, 2013, 07:37:39 PM
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http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2013/12/current-serving-army-ltc-and-small-wars.html
Just... :facepalm:
Here's the original article where the condescending ahole showcases truly amazing quantities of stupidity. I also note that he's the RE-est of REMF's so his "I kill people for a living" spiel is pretty pathetic. http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/bateman-on-guns-120313
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c. Bolt-action rifles with a magazine capacity no greater than five rounds. Like I said, hunting is valid. But if you cannot bring down a defenseless deer in under five rounds, then you have no fking reason to be holding a killing tool in the first place.
No worries. My hunting rifle will bring down a deer with one shot just as it would your fat foppish ass.
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Yeah, the exemption for the preferred tool for selective target elimination at range was pretty hilarious. "You can't own one of those dangerous Lorcin .22's, but a .338 Lapua capable of minute of LTC at 600 yards? Totally cool."
I need to dig up that Small Wars Journal article that was about how to violently suppress an uprising in America. Scary how many of the Army brass seem to be gearing up to fight Americans.
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Lieutenant Colonel? Look over his left pocket -- cripes, I had dang near that many ribbons after a single term of enlistment with one year in Vietnam.
Waste of oxygen ...
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Wow, the country's been at war for over 10 years and this guy made O-5 with a slick sleeve. His highest award being a Defense Superior Service Medal?!?!?!?
Okay LTC Widebody, step aside and let real men and Americans do the job here.
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His short bio; not sure what to make of it. All Guard time?
Bob was born in Lawrence, Massachusetts, and raised in Lawrence and York Harbor, Maine. He is a colonel, Army Division, New York Guard. <snip> He is the founder and president of Alliance Defense Marketing Associates. Bob and his wife Camille reside in New York City.
Copyright © 2011 by Robert J. Bateman and GAR Media LLC.
http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Robert-Bateman/1584725228
bob
eta. The New York Guard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Guard
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OK , if that's what he wants to try, is OK with me. Half of America would have a new and exciting hobby!
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Uh.... Molan Labe, dude.
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Holy shyt... he's an LTC in a State Militia (not NG), that has no acknowledgement of validity in COTUS or 2A?
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
His militia is not acknowledged as "well regulated" by COTUS or 2A. They need to be disarmed forthwith, according to his logic. Of course, he neglects the whole use of the term "people" rather than "militia" in the second half of the sentence.
And heck, if you want to throw the modernistic use of "regulated" in there to mean controlled/restrained rather than trained, then you've got a different conundrum! 2A would CLEARLY say: Keeping the militia in check being a damned good idea, people have the right to own and carry guns.
No matter how you read the 1903 militia act or the 2A, you still can't escape the fact that the second half of 2A says "people." And "people" means all of us in every other phrase it appears, in COTUS and BoR.
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No matter how you read the 1903 militia act or the 2A, you still can't escape the fact that the second half of 2A says "people." And "people" means all of us in every other phrase it appears, in COTUS and BoR.
It also depends on the definition of 'people.' There are 'elites' who don't think of conservatives/libertarians/rurals/Christians/etc as 'people' but as chattel to be used and ruled over.
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If this guy is a "lieutenant colonel" then I'm an admiral LOL
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http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Robert-Bateman/1584725228
FWIW That doesn't appear to be the same guy. Several links refer to the author as a serving officer in the Army. There is, in fact, a LTC Robert L Bateman in the army (I looked him up in our email system) and the guy that wrote the article has several bio notes that the zoominfo guy doesn't. (war college and the like)
The Army is not immune to having wrongheadedness in it's ranks.
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LTC Bateman needs to be charged under Conduct Unbecoming, as well as a Letter of Reprimand added to his file. Pondering writing to Congresscritters, Secretary of Defense and Secretary of the Army to ask their opinions of serving commissioned officers who refuse to support and uphold the Constitution in a written policy statement while using their official rank.
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This is just another version of the "I'm the only one profeshunal enough..." mentality that people who wear government issued costumes tend to suffer from.
"Uh, Uh, I get to kill people because the State tells me too so it's OK so I'm the only one profeshunal enough to haz guns and stuff.. uh..." :police:
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LTC Bateman needs to be charged under Conduct Unbecoming, as well as a Letter of Reprimand added to his file . . .
In consideration of what I've read the C-in-C is doing to the officer corps, it wouldn't surprise me if LTC Bateman's name has been added to the C-in-C's short list for promotion to general.
At least, it wouldn't surpise me if that possible opportunity crossed LTC Bateman's mind before he made his statement.
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So which Bateman is it? The picture of the guy on the right in the first link, supposedly Bateman, is that an Army uniform?
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So which Bateman is it? The picture of the guy on the right in the first link, supposedly Bateman, is that an Army uniform?
In the sipseystreets link he is the one on the right.
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I've often wondered about the periodic meaning behind the word "security" as it pertains to the 2A.
Of course we have our modern definition of "security" but it seems to me that back in the day, security meant more that something would not be changed, or it would remain in the state that it is in.
Could "necessary to the security of a free state" be re-written into modern speech as "necessary to keep a free state free"?
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In the sipseystreets link he is the one on the right.
Thats what I want to know. That either dark blue or black jacket, is that a US Army uniform?
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Thats what I want to know. That either dark blue or black jacket, is that a US Army uniform?
Yes. That is the new Army Service Uniform (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_service_uniform). It is mostly the old dress blues and replaces the old green service uniform or Class As (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_service_uniform#Green_Service_Uniform) like the MAJ (LTC?) on the left in that picture is wearing.
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My bad. Here is the "right" one I think. =|
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/robert-bateman/79/860/971
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Yes. That is the new Army Service Uniform (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_service_uniform). It is mostly the old dress blues and replaces the old green service uniform or Class As (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_service_uniform#Green_Service_Uniform) like the MAJ (LTC?) on the left in that picture is wearing.
Wow. I guess the Army was envious of the Marine Corps' poor color coordination. ;/
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Wow, the country's been at war for over 10 years and this guy made O-5 with a slick sleeve. His highest award being a Defense Superior Service Medal?!?!?!?
Okay LTC Widebody, step aside and let real men and Americans do the job here.
Presuming we had the right picture, this from his bio is problematical
Twenty-eight years later I am still wearing the uniform.
Deputy Chief of Plans
NATO, Allied Rapid Reaction Corps
September 2010 – Present (3 years 4 months) Gloucester, United Kingdom
Deputy, Future Plans
ISAF Joint Command (IJC) Kabul, Afghanistan
January 2011 – January 2012 (1 year 1 month) Kabul, Afghanistan
Analyst
Office of Net Assessment, OSD, Pentagon
February 2006 – January 2010 (4 years)
Strategist
Multinational Security Transition Command - Iraq (MNSTC-I)
January 2005 – February 2006 (1 year 2 months) Baghdad, Iraq
Strategy and Doctrine
Department of the Army, G3
Government Agency; 10,001+ employees; Military industry
August 2002 – December 2004 (2 years 5 months) The Pentagon
Research Fellow
Center for Security and International Studies (CSIS)
July 2001 – August 2002 (1 year 2 months) Washington, DC
And given the era, I also served for years myself in places decidedly less comfortable; combat zones like Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as a few other nasty places.
Hey, bob! Want to try to explain what you were doing the previous 16 years? And why you still have a slick sleeve?
stay safe.
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In the ASU the CSIB goes on the pocket. SSI-FWS is still retained in ACU's. Spiney Street changed the photo soI don't know if he had one on or not. I am curious what was up with the red name tag.
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In the ASU the CSIB goes on the pocket. SSI-FWS is still retained in ACU's. Spiney Street changed the photo soI don't know if he had one on or not. I am curious what was up with the red name tag.
That red name tag is what really stood out.
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If you go back to the OP link they have changed the picture, evidently they had the wrong Bateman.
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Wow. I guess the Army was envious of the Marine Corps' poor color coordination. ;/
Someone needed an OER bullet. Because what we really needed in the middle of two wars was a new DRESS uniform. Not, you know, to replace the "Soldier tested" UCP (ACU uniform). ;/
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Someone needed an OER bullet. Because what we really needed in the middle of two wars was a new DRESS uniform. Not, you know, to replace the "Soldier tested" UCP (ACU uniform). ;/
In fairness, I do not have fond memories of the green polyester monkey suit. I would have welcomed almost any change in that regard.
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To summarize the last six or eight posts, there is a lot of confusion about which LTC Bateman we are talking about. I think it is the LinkedIn profile BobR posted, based on comments he made in the article. If so he has deployed and earned his combat patch. MNSTC-I and IJC are both downrange and he was gone over a year both times.
However, I'm skeptical of anyone that writes "And given the era, I also served for years myself in places decidedly less comfortable; combat zones like Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as a few other nasty places. Thankfully I have seen much of the rest of the planet under more pleasing circumstances" when they worked as a planner and strategist at corps level headquarters. I have not been one but our Plans guys and 59s at USD-N spent most of their time doing slides and assessments. Based on his photo below, assuming it is him, he's taking the obligatory Fobbit "Look Ma! I'm on a helicopter flying to ANOTHER FOB!" picture in a bird (no shame, I have one too), has no NOD's plate on his helment, and has a fairly clean collar on his IBA.
(https://lh3.ggpht.com/-5rkOMWEG6vA/UqF7-gpGKmI/AAAAAAAAZm8/F4o9U9x-5S4/s1600/Bateman.jpg)
That's probably just where he got assigned. There isn't much to do outside the wire for LTCs if they aren't a battalion commander, brigade DCO/XO/S-3, or *TT commander. Especially if you aren't combat arms and have been doing stuff like strategist. And maybe he was doing a lot of liaison work with the ISF/ANSF and was outside the wire everyday. I can't say for sure. But I sort of doubt it.
Having been outside the wire a fair amount my first deployment it bugs me a bit when people beat the "combat deployment" drum too hard when they are basically a Fobbit. Like one of my NCOs said of being stationed at Camp Speicher with a division HQ "This whole FOB is Freedom Rest (small semi-resort for Soldiers to take a four-day pass from more austere conditions)."
Alright, thus ends the speculation...
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In fairness, I do not have fond memories of the green polyester monkey suit. I would have welcomed almost any change in that regard.
I rather liked it. Green is unambiguously Army. Blue is like...Marines?...Air Force?...Navy?...Coast...Guard? And I miss full color tabs (not that I had any) and patches on the sleeves. I think I could live with the ASU if they ditched the never to be sufficiently cursed CSIB and went back to patches. Not having my Big Red One on my right shoulder just makes me grouchy. :)
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I miss Khakis.* Although the Class B greens with the black sweater were good. The Class A jacket was no different then wearing a suit coat (with a bunch of pins stuck through it.)
But yes, my earlier comment was based on the picture that SSI posted with the story (I should have guessed that they had the wrong guy and the wrong pic. ;/)
Anywho, having said that. Yep given his job titles and assignments sounds like he definitely was "Bob on the FOB." (http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Bob+on+the+FOB&id=210B3C00412A38591422AA3BD66C1EBF8D889AF3&FORM=IQFRBA)
And given his writings, this guy in particular:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-qMFBsUOaGY4%2FTXIDU7JP-5I%2FAAAAAAAADe0%2FGSwPfTfYMgs%2Fs1600%2FBOB%252BON%252BTHE%252BFOB%252B3.jpg&hash=2ef8a7b0c1fc3f7b7c59bf3fbe8ba5c82b0381b2)
*They only had them for about 18 months after I enlisted. Got a set in basic, also was issued 3 sets of BDU and one "pickle suit" (the OD green fatigues.) Always fun to see who screwed up on "pickle suit day" in basic as we came racing out of the barracks into formation. There'd always be at least one guy in BDUs, or on occasion one guy in a pickle suit when BDUs were the uniform of the day. Much hilarity would ensue. [popcorn] [popcorn]