Author Topic: When is it going to end... ??? (Read 2402 times)

charby · « **on:** May 10, 2006, 06:06:11 AM »

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Ga. Student Suspended for Threatening Song
May 09 10:52 AM US/Eastern
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SUWANEE, Ga.

A high school student was suspended for five days after singing a spoof of "On Top of Ol' Smokey" that includes lyrics about shooting a teacher.

Beth Ann Cox, 16, a junior at Peachtree Ridge High School, said she had been humming the song during German class but denied singing loudly or directing the lyrics at her teacher, Phil Carroll.

"I'd had a song stuck in my head all day, like the tune of it," she said. "This kid in front of me asked me about the song. So I told him the words. I didn't say them loudly."

The song includes the lyrics: "On top of Ol' Smokey, all covered with blood, I shot my poor teacher with a .44 slug."

Administrators pulled Cox out of class later Friday and asked why she had threatened her teacher. She was suspended Monday.

Cox has had differences with the teacher in the past, said her mother, Suzanne Cox.

"We feel that Dr. Carroll has some kind of a vendetta out for our daughter. And he used this to take a stand against her," Suzanne Cox said.

Sloan Roach, spokeswoman for the school district, about 30 miles northeast of Atlanta, said the suspension was "appropriate disciplinary action" for disrupting class.

I went to school in the 80's an no one gave a rats derriere about what version of a song we sang, Ol' Smokey was a classic at recess and so was Joy to the World (the school burned down) at Christmas time. I would be more concerned about education in the classroom than some student singing about a version of a song that probably been around since public education started. There are a lot more problems at a school a principal should be concerned with then this.

-C

El Tejon · « **Reply #1 on:** May 10, 2006, 06:17:23 AM »

Kids are no longer kids. They are grist in the Great Mill of Socialism.

charby · « **Reply #2 on:** May 10, 2006, 06:19:16 AM »

Quote from: El Tejon

Kids are no longer kids. They are grist in the Great Mill of Socialism.

Badger

Nice, may I borrow that for a sig line?

-C

mtnbkr · « **Reply #3 on:** May 10, 2006, 06:39:10 AM »

I don't disagree with what either of you are saying, but how do you resolve that with the recent Fairfax Co shooting where the perp gave off subtle and not so subtle warning signs for years prior to commiting his crime?

Don't get me wrong, I don't think everyone who sings that song is a potential murderer. In fact, me and my classmates used to sing that and similar songs in elementary and Jr High. Not knowing the student or the teacher, it's hard to make a judgement call. This could be the idle singing of a bored student or it could be one of many warning signs from a deranged mind.

Chris

K Frame · « **Reply #4 on:** May 10, 2006, 07:01:29 AM »

"...it could be one of many warning signs from a deranged mind."

Note to self...

Break contact with Chris' family the SECOND his daughter discovers guns...

Guest · « **Reply #5 on:** May 10, 2006, 07:09:46 AM »

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When is it going to end... Huh?

When public schools and mandatory education are abolished...as they should be.

The Rabbi · « **Reply #6 on:** May 10, 2006, 07:23:21 AM »

I went to school in the '60s and '70s and we sang songs like that all the time. No one thought anything of it.
Anyone remember singing Glory Glory Halleluja with the lyrics:
Glory Glory Halleluja,
Teacher hit me with a ruler.
I met her at the door
With a loaded .44
And that was the end of school.

mtnbkr · « **Reply #7 on:** May 10, 2006, 07:29:36 AM »

Yup. I remember that one too. It didn't mean anything then and probably doesn't now, but what if the kid singing it today is known to have "problems", has been in trouble, etc. What do you take seriously and what do you blow off as "kids being kids"?

Apparently the kid who shot up the police station in Fairfax Co Monday was giving off bad vibes for years prior to his last act. If someone had taken him seriously, would it have been proper to act or sit back and hope?

Chris

bratch · « **Reply #8 on:** May 10, 2006, 07:31:29 AM »

How about:

Joy to the World
The teacher's dead
We barbequed
Her head

grampster · « **Reply #9 on:** May 10, 2006, 07:38:48 AM »

...and I used to bring my double 20 ga or my .22 and hunt to and from school. El T's comment about socialism is spot on. The family has been broken down so much for so long, that many kids have not had the benefit of being civilized by their family before and during their education years.

I ask this question. When did anyone have to teach a kid how to do wrong? I submit that doing right is a learned behavior and doing wrong is a natural one. A good deal of our children have not had the benefit of being taught the difference, and why good is preferable to bad.

Sindawe · « **Reply #10 on:** May 10, 2006, 07:40:01 AM »

Ah yes, the innocent days of childhood when we sang songs advocating rape, arson and murder of those charged with educating us.

Now kids get in trouble for such expressions of resistance to authority.

Man, this society needs an enema.

garyk/nm · « **Reply #11 on:** May 10, 2006, 07:43:23 AM »

Punish them severely for every minor transgression; it's the only way to get them to toe the line in the future. And if they aren't transgressing enough, make something up.

m1911owner · « **Reply #12 on:** May 10, 2006, 07:58:31 AM »

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What do you take seriously and what do you blow off as "kids being kids"?

It seems to me that there is a long-standing standard for that in the legal system. You have to actually do something wrong before you can be charged, tried and convicted of it. Just appearing to have "criminal intent" isn't enough.

For example, several years ago, my wife and I were coming out of a restaurant at a strip mall where we were aware that there had been a lot of bicycle thefts. We observed a seedy-look guy in his 20's fooling with the locks on the bike rack. We went back into the restaurant and called 911. The cops quickly arrived and confronted the guy. They were pretty sure he was the guy who had been stealing bikes. But, because he hadn't succeeded in stealing a bike by the time the cops got there, they couldn't arrest him--he hadn't actually committed a crime.

(Interestingly, after the cops left and we pulled out of the parking lot, the guy came chasing us in his car!!! If he had a car there, just what was he doing at the bike rack??!)

It seems to me that singing the same parodys that kids have been singing since singing was invented is an absurd reason to suspend someone for five days. (On the other hand, I'm sure that the news story doesn't have the whole story. I'm willing to entertain the idea that her behavior was a lot more disruptive than the story would suggest, and that this was "the last straw" in a pattern of disruptive behavior.)

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #13 on:** May 10, 2006, 08:58:16 AM »

Singing a fairly common song that is normally meant in jest is not a warning sign, unless it is part of a pattern.

El Tejon · « **Reply #14 on:** May 10, 2006, 09:00:35 AM »

charby, feel free. Ensure to use an appropriate appellation such as "Great Thinker El Tejon" or "Noted Social Commentator". Cheesy

matis · « **Reply #15 on:** May 10, 2006, 01:21:16 PM »

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When is it going to end... Huh?

When public schools and mandatory education are abolished...as they should be.

That's exactly it, mercedesrules. No sooner; no later.

Grampster, as usual, you aced it with your commentary.

matis

doczinn · « **Reply #16 on:** May 10, 2006, 02:33:52 PM »

I remember singing all the songs so far mentioned, except for Glory Hallelujah, and I never laid a hand on a teacher.

Well, except for one Japanese teacher's aide in my senior year, but that's a different story. Cheesy

Guest · « **Reply #17 on:** May 10, 2006, 03:31:19 PM »

Quote from: doczinn

I remember singing all the songs so far mentioned, except for Glory Hallelujah, and I never laid a hand on a teacher.

Well, except for one Japanese teacher's aide in my senior year, but that's a different story. Cheesy

Is it really slanted?

doczinn · « **Reply #18 on:** May 10, 2006, 03:39:21 PM »

I ain't tellin!

Strings · « **Reply #19 on:** May 10, 2006, 06:33:20 PM »

>Break contact with Chris' family the SECOND his daughter discovers guns...<

Mike... I think you're already lost on that one, buddy!

An' Doc: you HAVE to tell the story now!

doczinn · « **Reply #20 on:** May 10, 2006, 06:35:34 PM »

Nope. Use your imagination!

280plus · « **Reply #21 on:** May 11, 2006, 12:24:55 AM »

It's not slanted but I'll bet it's...

Tongue

SteveS · « **Reply #22 on:** May 11, 2006, 04:29:55 AM »

It seems to be a little over the top, but with most media, I wonder if there isn't more to the story.

I remember singing that song, too, but in elementary school and by the time I was 16 I moved on to other anti-social music.

Art Eatman · « **Reply #23 on:** May 11, 2006, 04:38:37 AM »

Every GI that ever served in Korea learned a parody of "On Top of Old Smokey".

"On top of Mount Fuji,
A bastard was born,
The son of a GI and a Japanese whore.

His eyes they were slanted,
His hair it was black,
And on his left shoulder was an Eighth Army patch.

Amazing what can float up from the sewers of the mind.

And that's one of the nicer ones. You kids are too young for the parody of Hank Snow's "Moving On".

, Art

Felonious Monk/Fignozzle · « **Reply #24 on:** May 11, 2006, 06:53:18 AM »

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