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Hillary's "In to Win"
« on: January 20, 2007, 05:35:20 AM »
Whooo Boy.......Here we go............   shocked


Clinton Launches 2008 White House Bid

Jan 20, 9:52 AM (ET)
from: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070120/D8MP2PPO3.html
By BETH FOUHY and MARC HUMBERT

NEW YORK (AP) - Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton embarked on a widely anticipated campaign for the White House on Saturday, a former first lady intent on becoming the first female president. "I'm in and I'm in to win," she said on her Web site.

Clinton's announcement, days after Sen. Barack Obama shook up the contest race with his bid to become the first black president, establishes the most diverse political field ever.

Clinton is considered the front-runner, with Obama and 2004 vice presidential nominee John Edwards top contenders. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who would be the first Hispanic president, intends to announce his plans on Sunday.

"You know after six years of George Bush, it is time to renew the promise of America," Clinton says in a videotaped message in which she invites voters to begin a dialogue with her on the major issues - health care, Social Security and Medicare, and the war in Iraq.

"I'm not just starting a campaign, though, I'm beginning a conversation with you, with America," she said. "Let's talk. Let's chat. The conversation in Washington has been just a little one-sided lately, don't you think?"

Clinton, who was re-elected to a second term last November, said she will spend the next two years "doing everything in my power to limit the damage George W. Bush can do. But only a new president will be able to undo Bush's mistakes and restore our hope and optimism."

In a defiant statement - and a nod to questions about her electability - Clinton said: "I have never been afraid to stand up for what I believe in or to face down the Republican machine. After nearly $70 million spent against my campaigns in New York and two landslide wins, I can say I know how Washington Republicans think, how they operate, and how to beat them."

With millions in the bank, a vast network of supporters and top status in nearly every poll of Democratic contenders, Clinton is undertaking the most viable effort by a female candidate to capture the White House.

She is the first presidential spouse to pursue the office; her husband, Bill, served two terms in the White House from 1993-2001.

The announcement was the latest step in a remarkable political and personal journey for the 59-year-old Clinton - from Arkansas lawyer to first lady to New York senator to front-runner for the Democratic nomination.

A polarizing figure since she burst onto the national scene during her husband's first presidential campaign, Clinton engenders strong opinions among voters, who either revere or revile her but rarely are ambivalent.

She often is compared to her husband and found lacking in his natural charisma. Others have criticized her for being overly cautious and calculating when so many voters say they crave authenticity.

Many Democrats, eager to reclaim the White House after eight years of President Bush, fret that she carries too much baggage from her husband's scandal-plagued presidency to win a general election. Among many voters, she is best known for her disastrous attempt in 1993 to overhaul the nation's health care system and for standing by her husband after his marital infidelity.

Clinton's allies counter by citing her strengths - intelligence, depth of experience, work ethic and immense command of policy detail. Advisers argue those skills, plus her popularity among women and younger voters, position her strongly as both a primary and general election candidate.

In her first run for the Senate from New York in 2000 - a state where she had never lived and where she was branded a carpetbagger by many - Clinton won a landslide victory. Through dogged campaigning - including a "listening tour" of the state's 62 counties - Clinton was able to convince voters even in the conservative upstate region that she would represent them effectively in Washington.

Clinton's 2002 vote authorizing military force in Iraq has become a significant political challenge. It angered activists who want her to repudiate her vote and aggressively seek to block Bush's proposed troop increase.

She has toughened her criticism of the conduct of the war and Bush's handling of the conflict, and she recently called for capping troop levels in Iraq at around 140,000. She has rejected calls from liberal groups and Edwards to cut off funds for Bush's planned increase in U.S. troops.

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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2007, 05:51:01 AM »
Whooo Boy.......Here we go............   shocked

 the most diverse political field ever.


Really? I thought they were mostly socialists? Did I miss the memo?

Hillary Obama.

THR and APS has been down playing the viability of these candidates. But I still think they are a dark alliance of forces to be reckoned with. These are two candidates that can motivate their base. That is how you win, and nothing else matters. In a 50/50 (+-5) country, as long as your base is more motivated than your opponents, you will win.

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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2007, 05:57:31 AM »
I predict she will have a hard time. She has two choices:

1. Move way to the left so she can win the primary. A problem is that she would be too far to the left to get back to the center for the general election. Another problem is that the "base" is very upset with her for voting to authorize the war on terror so she can't count on their votes even if wearing a Karl Marx mask. Note: I think all this moving of positions is disgusting, just trying to fool people about their true beliefs. It would be called what it is - fraud- if done by a corporation.

2. Move closer to the center and hope the competition all make big mistakes and self-implode. In the general election she could hope to get enough of the womens vote to win. A problem with this is that the media seem to have abandoned her and any mistakes by opponents may not get news coverage. The media would be hard on her if she tried to maintain a centrist facade. She probably would not get past the primaries with this approach.

Unanticipated circumstances seem to have left Hillary in a bad position. And who would want her as their VP? Imagine the daily nagging.
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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2007, 06:06:29 AM »
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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2007, 07:24:41 AM »
Now Furious, why did you have to go and do that? I'm gonna have nightmares for the next week now. shocked
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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2007, 08:33:08 AM »
Now Furious, why did you have to go and do that? I'm gonna have nightmares for the next week now. shocked

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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2007, 08:43:44 AM »
Spend Hillary, SPEND!

Maybe she can rehire Rosie O'donnell for another "for the children" crusade.
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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2007, 08:53:54 AM »
Hillary is in to win alright. Whether she is installed - or her "republican party opponent" is installed - she wins. They all win; "republican" or "democratic" party leadership; captains, lieutenants, managers and friends. And the oligarchs pulling their strings.

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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2007, 09:17:30 AM »
The Dems just made their next strategic blunder. She is very divisive, will split the Dem support, and will energize the Rep base. People that stayed at home in 2006 will grab their noses and vote for a shaved monkey to keep her from winning. Also, even many women are not yet comfortable with the idea of a gay female president. Finally, as an added bonus, she may drag down Obama with her, which is good because he might be a threat.

Still, it will be entertaining to watch the aging bolshevik blackwidow fembot trying to convince everyone she is exactly her opposite. Hehehe.

Putting my tinfoil hat on, I think this might be a big bipartisan elitist conspiracy to gserve the win to Greyface Ironjaw McKodos as the great uniter/concensus candidate.

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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2007, 09:40:27 AM »
I'm not in the habit of making predictions, but I'm afraid I know who is going to be our next president.
President Hilary Clinton, with her Vice President, Barack Obama.

I would love to be proven wrong.
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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2007, 09:47:37 AM »
President Hilary Clinton, with her Vice President, Barack Obama.

That put chills down my spine.

I am already fed up with Pelosi and her imbecilic screechings. What's it been? Two weeks? Three?

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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2007, 09:51:45 AM »
As the fall elections proved, they don't need to be great candidates, only better than the competition.  Scary stuff indeed!

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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2007, 10:00:15 AM »
Fjolnirson, I don't think so.  Would you want to go through every single day knowing America's first Black President is 1 bullet away?
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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2007, 10:12:57 AM »
Fjolnirson, I don't think so.  Would you want to go through every single day knowing America's first Black President is 1 bullet away?

His blackness has nothing to do with his qualifications or his moral fitness to be our President. As my neighbor, who's 1/3 black, 1/3 white, and 1/3 Cherokee is fond of saying, "which part of myself am I supposed to hate today?"

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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2007, 10:46:18 AM »
CAnnoneer and mountainclmbr are on the money.

The DNC has some serious splits in it. And the "06 Landslide" has done nothing to heal them. The super-left wing that hates Hillary because she was such a "hawk" on Iraq, even if it was just a sham to appear more centrist. Then there's the pragmatic wing thats terrified 51%+ of America hates Hillary, and she'll lose them the presidency.

In fact, I'm not so worried about what the '06 elections even mean. No seated second term President's party has held onto congress since World War I, maybe even longer than that. And many of the key Democratic wins in '06 were won by running to the right of incumbent RINO's. Leaving aside those who would always vote Democrat, and those who always vote Republican, and only looking at undecideds, the Democrats won because one half of the swing voters are impatient and fickle over AWOT and IRAQ, and the other half were pissed off at the Republicans for not being "Republican Enough".

That's hardly some huge endorsment of Liberalisim, or the DNC. They won by default, if the Republican party of '94 was still in the game, it would have been no contest. And as the MSM continues to wither, and demographic factors like depression and early boomer FDR/JFK knee-jerk Democrats die off, and as conservatives continue to out-reproduce liberals, it'll get harder and harder for the Democrats to make such gains again.

If the Democrats couldn't win during the "perfect storm" of the Iraq war, midterm election of a seated president's second term, and a full court press by the biased MSM, when could they? If the GOP learns it's lesson, the Democrats have only gained themselves a reprieve.

I'm not so worried about Hillary, or Obama, I'm worried that the Republicans will screw up yet again. (i.e. Dole in '96) Because frankly, that's all they have to do against Hillary is "not screw up". Unfortunately that's what Republicans do best, they don't learn their lesson, life inside the Beltway turns their brains to mush, and they screw up.
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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2007, 11:25:30 AM »
I'm not in the habit of making predictions, but I'm afraid I know who is going to be our next president.
President Hilary Clinton, with her Vice President, Barack Obama.

I would love to be proven wrong.
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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2007, 01:00:43 PM »
Well, that should give at least a minor boost to rifle and ammo sales.  Wonder how long it would take for the assassination attempt were she elected?   laugh
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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2007, 02:25:20 PM »
It will seriously motivate the Republican base.  But in addition to big name recognition anda big rolodex, she also has big negative ratings.  The other candidates will gang up just to defeat her.  I think this will end up a big flop for her.  I hope so anyway.
I still have faith that Americans are not stupid enough to elect that woman.
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2007, 03:13:42 PM »
It will seriously motivate the Republican base.  But in addition to big name recognition anda big rolodex, she also has big negative ratings.  The other candidates will gang up just to defeat her.  I think this will end up a big flop for her.  I hope so anyway.
I still have faith that Americans are not stupid enough to elect that woman.
Whilst I, on the other hand, do not.

I just wish there were enough vision on the part of the right to run Condi Rice against the Hilldebeast.  I'd love to see those debates.  What a cat fight, and what an opportunity to systematically destroy the Hillaric house of cards and lies she hangs her hat on.
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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2007, 03:54:31 PM »
I just hope that she runs smack dab into Ron Paul on the other side. Between the want Guliani and McCain handwringers and the far left life would be funny.
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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2007, 04:59:10 PM »
The fact that she will run is not of interest.  It was a foregone conclusion.

What is of interest is why the announcement Now, on a Saturday no less.  You want to kill a story?  Put it out over the weekend.  Why is she making the announcement of a lifetime goal on a day that will guarantee a lack of coverage.  People just do not pay attention to the news over the weekend.

I suspect she saw something in the polls that put the scare into her campaign.  There has to be more to the story than what is known so far.
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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2007, 10:13:03 PM »
I'm not in the habit of making predictions, but I'm afraid I know who is going to be our next president.
President Hilary Clinton, with her Vice President, Barack Obama.

I would love to be proven wrong.

I suspect you're right, Fjolnirsson, but I am not willing posit who will VP the other.
In any event, it is their election to lose.
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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2007, 07:05:03 AM »
I will note with gratification that my mother, aged 78, a lifelong liberal Democrat who thought Bill Clinton was the bees knees, tells me she won't vote for Hillary because she thinks she's corrupt and dishonest.
If Hillary has such negatives with someone like that I don't think she'll do too well.
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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2007, 07:13:57 AM »
Simple reason she won't win: the voice.  Have you noticed how - just how totally loopy and nagging she seems when she's making a salient point in a speech?  She raises her voice for emphasis, but she just sounds like she's telling Chelsea to pick up her socks. 

Maybe it doesn't matter, though.  She'll "win" the debates just like Kerry "won" the first debate, even though he was rehashing old nuclear disarmament crap from twenty years ago.  And that was after 9-11.   shocked
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Re: Hillary's "In to Win"
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2007, 07:18:20 AM »
What I find interesting is that Sen Brownback from Kansas announced he was running right after Billary.  While he doesn't have what it takes to be the Presidential candidate for the Republican, he could be just the perfect balance as VP for McCain, Paul or Guilliani.  
The other interesting thing is that Obama is only 1/2 black because he has a white mother.  Plus he himself has admitted to drug use in his "younger" years.  Be interesting how all of that plays out.  Thank god I will be in Iraq for the next year and miss that much of the campaign at least.  Maybe I can extend over here long enough to miss the election and vote absentee.
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