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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: cassandra and sara's daddy on June 24, 2016, 01:30:03 PM
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Have a kawasaki mule in fairly shallow water but under water in a lake. Weighs about 1400 pounds. How many truck inner tube do you think it will take to float it so I can tow it a couple hundred yards to boat ramp? 8)
Thankfully I am only responsible for recovery. Was not the pilot
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Anyway to just get a tow line on it and yank it out.
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Water weighs around 62 pounds per cubic foot. 1400 divided by 62 tells us you need an air volume of 22.6 cubic feet to bring a 1400-pound lump to neutral buoyancy.
What size truck tubes?
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http://www.wikihow.com/Calculate-Buoyancy
Or you could start with 6 or so (big ones) and see what happens. Good luck.
bob
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It should be an adventure. It went in in a spot where yanking it out would be difficult
Hard to get equipment in and near vertical bluff.
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Your using a boat to tow it to shore? Can you place an engine hoist in the boat?
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How deep is it and how far away from shore? Not sure how you will get innertubes down to it. This is usually a lift bag job. Attach deflated bag(s), pump in air till it starts to lift. Lift bags will bleed air as pressure decreases with shallower water. Innertubes will not, and can turn stuff into missiles. Low pressure, high volume is what you want.
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^^^^^
That's where I was going next. It takes a 4 cubic foot bag to lift 200 pounds (+/- a bit). Or an easy way is 100 liter bag will lift 100 Kg, but this is 'Merica and we don't do those metrics. ;)
bob
eta: Do you think your local Fire Department or Search and Rescue would like a training opportunity? ;)
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How deep is it and how far away from shore? Not sure how you will get innertubes down to it. This is usually a lift bag job. Attach deflated bag(s), pump in air till it starts to lift. Lift bags will bleed air as pressure decreases with shallower water. Innertubes will not, and can turn stuff into missiles. Low pressure, high volume is what you want.
It's about 8 foot deep and I can attach tubes deflated. I can get a compressor hose to it and fill em then.
First i am gonna get it into one of these and attach tubes to bag
http://m.homedepot.com/p/WM-Bagster-Dumpster-in-a-Bag-775-658/202228840?cm_mmc=Shopping%7cTHD%7cG%7c0%7cG-BASE-PLA-D28I-Cleaning%7c&gclid=CjwKEAjwtLO7BRDax4-I4_6G71USJAA6FjN1mJtXemT4Kov1F_OuQ41WcZeS-72DRrb6HS5DAg5nqBoCCU_w_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
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It's about 8 foot deep and I can attach tubes deflated. I can get a compressor hose to it and fill em then.
First i am gonna get it into one of these and attach tubes to bag
http://m.homedepot.com/p/WM-Bagster-Dumpster-in-a-Bag-775-658/202228840?cm_mmc=Shopping%7cTHD%7cG%7c0%7cG-BASE-PLA-D28I-Cleaning%7c&gclid=CjwKEAjwtLO7BRDax4-I4_6G71USJAA6FjN1mJtXemT4Kov1F_OuQ41WcZeS-72DRrb6HS5DAg5nqBoCCU_w_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
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Okay, just be careful. You've got no real lift control with the innertubes.
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Can you get a winch and a block and tackle setup near enough to the site to pull it out that way?
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It's like a 65 degree slope maybe more. And it's verticals right near water I definitely could do that but I am likely to tear up more stuff that way.
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Det cord.
Smaller pieces are easier to lift.
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CSD - I dug out my old dive manual from work and scanned the section on lift bag recovery. It might have a few tips for you, especially regarding rigging, staging, and breaking suction if you have to.
https://db.tt/R2UHL7F3
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Thanks. It was on its side in 15 feet. In my infinite wisdom i rolled it upright. It rolls real good underwater. It's now in 30 feet. Outside my ability to dive and have any reasonable bottom time to rig it. On one attempt I seriously overstayed my welcome while locating it's new resting place and communed with my higher power for a few seconds on way up. Sunlight looked real good. Copd and diving are a poor mix. Gonna get someone with tanks to it and hook it up. Was considering using some real heavy duty trash bags for lift. Turns out it's only a bit over 1000 pounds and with the existing tires it's surprisingly easy to move
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http://www.rentaltoolsonline.com/Rental-Tools-Online-Underwater-Lift-Bags-Salvage-Pontoons-s/346.htm
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Pft. You're supposed to fill it with ping pong balls.
Don't you watch mythbusters?
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Pft. You're supposed to fill it with ping pong balls.
Don't you watch mythbusters?
Someone once proposed filling the hull of the sunken liner R. M. S. Titanic with ping pong balls to raise it.....it ought to work on the OP's Kawasaki..... [tinfoil]
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If curb weight is 1000 pounds it weighs a lot less at 30 feet under water. Maybe half.
What I want most is the backstory of HOW it got there.
And video of the recovery.
Work at 30 feet is tank zone unless you are one hell of a lunger. I might consider some corner attachments with surface floats to help manage a lift. Keep in mind my dive experience was almost 40 years ago- the gas laws of chemistry and physics have probably been updated since then.
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Dude, please DO NOT use trash bags. You might get lucky, but more likely something will go wrong that puts you in a worse predicament at best, and threatens your safety at worst.
You are really at the point where you need real lift bags with proper mounting hardware for rigging. Also an experienced diver. I would help you out for a beer if I were closer. That kind of recovery is actually kinda fun to do. :laugh:
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Why did you drive it in the water in the first place? [popcorn] :P =D =D
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Yea. Believe me that one dive today cured me. I have to line up a diver. Once it's rigged I have a big pontoon boat I rigged with 2 2000 pound winches. Gonna rig it four corners hoist it drive it to boat ramp hook a cable to a truck and pull it up ramp.
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Yea. Believe me that one dive today cured me. I have to line up a diver. Once it's rigged I have a big pontoon boat I rigged with 2 2000 pound winches. Gonna rig it four corners hoist it drive it to boat ramp hook a cable to a truck and pull it up ramp.
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Okay, that sounds much safer. :)
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Where does the detcord come in?
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Suggestions? OK, have them try one of these next time they want to drive on the lake.
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Hope that helps. :P
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I still hope to find out HOW it got there...
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I still hope to find out HOW it got there...
I'm betting there was someone in the vicinity holding someone else's beer. =D
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I still hope to find out HOW it got there...
Guy was using it to haul lumber to build a,pergola on a dock. He had his 17 year old helping. 17 year old failed to set parking brake .splash. at least no one was in it. It woulda been a bad ride
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I'm betting there was someone in the vicinity holding someone else's beer. =D
Sadly while kid was sober likely dad was not.
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I hope they already fished junior out.
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Well thanks for the backstory but the scenarios I had in my head were funnier.
Foot luck with the recovery. Be safe.
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Yeah, foot luck man.
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You need a crazy Jarhead pilot in a Sikorsky and a nutty diver.
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So after being submerged even in fresh water, can the vehicle be rehabbed back to working order?
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hey bubba, hold my beer and watch this.........................
Personally, I'd just hire someone that knows what they are doing, to recover the Mule. Or just write it off. Sitting around in water sure isn't doing it much good right now,
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So after being submerged even in fresh water, can the vehicle be rehabbed back to working order?
Probably need a new motor but even if it's dead I am reluctant to leave it in a lake. More of a no littering thing than a tree hugger thing
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I hope the kid didn't get in too much trouble for that lapse. We all have stuff like that happen. At least I do. Maybe not you.
Got off my motorcycle once in front of a bunch of girls standing around a coffee shop, swinging my leg high in the most macho manner possible, smiling at the girls. Who smiled back. Took one step away from the bike when it fell over.
I had forgot to put down the kickstand and it just balanced itself there for about a second.
Me: :facepalm:
Girls: :rofl:
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Remarkably no one is blaming the kid as a matter of fact the kid's father is saying that he did it.
but I'm watching the kids face when we talked about this and I'm pretty sure it was the kid that did it . I don't think Dad is lying to protect the kid I think that he doesn't want to admit that he allowed the kid on the equipment
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Wait until you are in a busy bank parking lot at noon on your high strung RD350 2-stroke bike, give the kick starter a half-hearted stab, hear the engine light off, grab the throttle, dump the clutch and to your horror discover that the engine kicked back and fired up running backwards, quite possible with reed valve 2 stroke engines, as it rockets backwards between your legs, the flip-top gas cap almost emasculating you leaving you and your bike writhing on the hot Louisiana tarmac to the delight of the lunch time crowd there to deposit/cash their paychecks. Yes, yet another proud moment in my life...
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Wait until you are in a busy bank parking lot at noon on your high strung RD350 2-stroke bike, give the kick starter a half-hearted stab, hear the engine light off, grab the throttle, dump the clutch and to your horror discover that the engine kicked back and fired up running backwards, quite possible with reed valve 2 stroke engines, as it rockets backwards between your legs, the flip-top gas cap almost emasculating you leaving you and your bike writhing on the hot Louisiana tarmac to the delight of the lunch time crowd there to deposit/cash their paychecks. Yes, yet another proud moment in my life...
Had a Daytona special. Never had IT run backwards . My rm 400 on the other hand...
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Lol. Dad let kid borrow truck. Kid bent guard rail with dads truck
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Put an add on craigs list for a diver. Someone will do it cheep usually.
I have a 100 pound lift bag I could lend you.
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Had a Daytona special. Never had IT run backwards . My rm 400 on the other hand...
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Boysen reeds, Wiseco pistons, Hot coils, Dyna III electronic ignition, bigger carbs, K&N Pod filters, TZ type chambers, porting. It was a different sort of beast at that time.
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If it rolls fairly easily underwater, why not put a line on it and pull it to an easier location to retrieve?
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Boysen reeds, Wiseco pistons, Hot coils, Dyna III electronic ignition, bigger carbs, K&N Pod filters, TZ type chambers, porting. It was a different sort of beast at that time.
They were pretty intense bikes
Had a motor seize at summit point. It was my fastest ever hitting the ground
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