As Dave Barry writes, "I am not making this up."
[Mod note: the content is political and a political ad, but the questions I am interested in pursuing are less political and more commercial/philosophical. Not sure if Politics is the best location, but I'll run with it.]
Here is the ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anieuWFWe8s&eurl=http://bornalivetruth.org/Upshot:
Gianna Jessen survived a saline abortion after 7.5 months gestation. She is kinda perturbed that BHO voted against requiring doctors to provide medical care to such kiddos and treating them as human persons.
Gianna survived because the doctor her birth-mother's hired to abort her, Edward Allred, was out of the room when she delivered. One of the nurses attended to her and called an ambulance to take her to the hospital. That particular doctor's
usual practice in the 10-20% of saline abortions that result in live births was to strangle the child to death.
I wonder if he provided a refund?
I have some questions about this transaction below.
Gianna Jessen's birth cert:
http://www2.nationalreview.com/dest/2008/09/15/giannabirthcertificate.pdfGianna Jessen med info & article
http://www2.nationalreview.com/dest/2008/09/15/giannasmedicalrecord.pdfInterview with bornalivetruth.org rep Jill Stanek.
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=ZmMzNjc1MjAzYmMxMDQ5ZTExMThhN2Q4NDJmOWEyNWI=True Lives
An abortion survivor takes on Barack Obama.An NRO Q&A
Barack Obama, meet your nightmare? On Monday night, BornAliveTruth.org, a new 527 released an ad starring Gianna Jessen, a 31-year-old woman who survived a saline abortion.
Im a survivor, as are many others . . . but if Barack Obama had his way, I wouldnt be here, Jessen says in the ad. Four times, Barack Obama voted to oppose a law to protect babies left to die after a failed abortion. Senator Obama, please support born alive infant protections. Im living proof these babies have a right to live.
The ad is meant to highlight Obamas opposition to the Born Alive Infants Protection Act while he was in the Illinois legislature. An extreme position for which he argued passionately; he argued that a child surviving an abortion should not be protected because that would be akin to saying that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a a child, a nine-month-old child that was delivered to term. Well, exactly.
Jill Stanek is a former nurse at Christ Hospital in Illinois, where this all started. There she witnessed children being left to die after surviving botched abortions. Her testimony was the catalyst for the legislation in the Illinois statehouse. Stanek talked to National Review Online editor Kathryn Lopez about the ad and Obama.
Kathryn Jean Lopez: Who is Gianna Jessen and why do you want Americans to hear her story?
Jill Stanek: Gianna Jessen is a 31-year-old saline abortion survivor. Im attaching her unbelievable birth certificate and medical information. Also note on second document her physician is listed as infamous abortionist Edward Allred.
Lopez: Where will your ads be running?
Stanek: The first-phase media buy includes Ohio and New Mexico.
Lopez: Who is paying for your ads?
Stanek: BornAliveTruth.org is a 527 nonprofit political organization. Pro-Life philanthropists, including Ray Ruddy, are financially supporting the effort as well as other pro-life folks.
Lopez: Have you coordinated with the McCain campaign at all?
Stanek: No, absolutely not. We are purely an educational group wanting to educate the public on Barack Obamas opposition as state senator to the Illinois Born Alive Infants Protection Act.
Lopez: Is this just about an election for you? A job at HHS in a McCain-Palin administration perhaps? When was it that you first spoke out the Born Alive Act and Obama?
Stanek: My husband wouldnt be happy if I moved to D.C., because hes sure not going to!
I first spoke out against late-term abortions that sometimes resulted in babies being abortion alive in 1999. In 2001 I testified before an Illinois state senate committee and a no-name state senator named Barack Obama. The focus during the early days was on the abortion procedure itself (induced-labor abortion) previously unknown to the public and Christ Hospitals involvement, where I worked blasphemy to many, including me.
Barack Obamas opposition to Born Alive became a focus during his 2004 U.S. Senate race against Alan Keyes. Ive been writing about his involvement ever since. But four weeks ago his opposition to Born Alive exploded on the national scene when the National Right to Life Committee discovered Obama had actually voted against an identical version of Born Alive in Illinois as passed on the federal level overwhelmingly (98-0 in U.S. Senate; NARAL went neutral). For four years he had been misrepresenting his vote, saying the two bills were not identical and had they been he would have voted for the Illinois version.
In an interview following the Saddleback Forum on August 16, Barack Obama told CBNs David Brody that NRLC and the rest of us were lying. By August 18 his staff had to admit to the New York Sun that NRLC was telling the truth. That false indignation coupled with Obamas above my pay grade statement, got Obama/Born Alive tons of negative PR.
(P.S. Note that Warren asked when does a baby get human rights? Not fetus or embryo.)
Lopez: Why should we believe you about Christ Hospital?
Stanek: I couldnt answer this any better than Doug Johnson (from the National Right to Life Committee) did yesterday on a blog:
More than one nurse collaborated the accounts of how babies born alive during induced-labor abortions were being treated. Two nurses, Jill Stanek and Allison Baker, testified before the U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary subcommittee at the first hearing on the federal bill. Their testimony was found credible by the Judiciary Committee and is referred to as such in the official committee report, which was issued when the committee approved the bill on a vote of 22-1, transcript here.
The House Judiciary Committee reports on the federal legislation also explained other compelling justifications for clearly establishing the personhood of all live both humans, including those born alive during abortions. The 2001 report is here.
The purpose of the legislation was not to spell out exactly how babies are to be treated in this or that situation, but to make it clear that all live-born humans are to be treated as human persons, and treated the same, regardless of whether they achieved live-born status during the abortion.
There have been many reports over the years, in diverse, locations, of babies being alive during abortions and being treated in ways very different from babies who are spontaneously born prematurely.
Lopez: Why should Barack Obama be held responsible for what you experienced at the hospital? Is it really fair to put Giannas story up against his campaign?
Stanek: Here we have a man who voted four times against Born Alive and was the sole senator to speak on the senate floor two years in a row. He took a leadership role opposing Born Alive. How disturbing is that? Furthermore, he includes a quote on his website by Pam Sutherland, the CEO of Planned Parenthood in Illinois at the time, who bragged Obama approached her to strategize to defeat the Born Alive and PBA bans. He approached her! How disturbing is that?
Lopez: Isnt this all just a rarity? Isnt it ridiculous to make this a presidential-campaign issue?
Stanek: Call Gianna Jessen and tell her that abortion survivors are rare and insignificant. Furthermore, Christ Hospital told the Chicago Sun-Times on March 31, 2001, that 10 to 20 percent of babies aborted by the induced-labor abortion procedure survive for a time. Thats a significant percentage.
Lopez: Is it your position that Barack Obama is pro-infanticide?
Stanek: An audio clip of Obamas 2002 state senate floor speech was recently released. In it he admits babies may be aborted alive but a second physician shouldnt be called to assess and treat abortion survivors because it would be a burden to the mothers original decision. In other words, he thought babies marked for abortion but surviving should be allowed to die. What do you call that?
Lopez: Of Obamas record, what would you like all Americans to know?
Stanek: Barack Obama is to the left of all of his Senate colleagues and even NARAL on the abortion issue, and he misrepresented his vote on Born Alive for four years.
Lopez: Why does this really matter? Will the president really be able to save the lives of future Giannas?
Stanek: As president, Obama could greatly influence this issue. Born Alive needs enforcement measures added. It is just a definitions bill now.
Lopez: What do you make of Sarah Palin?
Stanek: Sarah Palin offers such a contrast to Obama on this issue. She carried her Down Syndrome baby to term despite a medical recommendation otherwise and declared him perfect at birth. Obama heard testimony three years running of at least one baby with Down Syndrome who was set to languish alone in a soiled utility room to die, and that was acceptable to him Culture of Life vs. the Culture of Death in a nutshell.
I guess I wonder were folks stand on such an issue. Not the abortion issue, as that is a given for the question for the question to be posed.
No, the issue of commerce, contracts, and human rights:
Which takes precedence when in the transaction between doctor, first patient, and infant/second patient?
It brings some other questions to mind:
1. Did Dr. Allred breach his contract with the mother to provide a medical service?
2. Was he required, contractually, to kill Gianna if he were present upon her live birth?
3. Does Gianna's location effect her "personhood" or eligibility for human rights?
4. Does Gianna being the subject of a commercial transaction and a contract dilute her claim to person status/human rights?
5. Can the doctor or especially the nurse(s) be sued for some sort of breach of contract?
6. If strangling the born-alive object of an abortion is illegal, ought that provide protection form lawsuits, etc. to the doctor?
I am sure there are some other questions that might be posed, but that is what occurred off the top of my head while looking at the med records & birth cert.