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747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« on: November 21, 2013, 07:55:59 AM »
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/21/21559785-giant-boeing-747-freighter-lands-at-wrong-kansas-airport?lite

Uh oh.  The Dreamlifters are based at Paine Field in Everett and I drive by them all the time.  I am sure they will figure out something.
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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2013, 08:55:36 AM »
Sounds like an RGE for the flight crew.
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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2013, 09:01:32 AM »
RGE?

Maybe they updated the article, but it says that they figured out that it could take off.  Wasn't mentioned whether that would be by unloading some or all of the cargo...

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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2013, 10:29:03 AM »
RGE?

Maybe they updated the article, but it says that they figured out that it could take off.  Wasn't mentioned whether that would be by unloading some or all of the cargo...

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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2013, 10:37:14 AM »
Wow, that "RGE" was pretty obscure.  Thanks, adively, on behalf of all the rest of us who are not "hip" and "cool" and "with it."
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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2013, 10:50:23 AM »
If it's unloaded, I'm betting its no big deal.  The original 747 took off in some crazy short distance, like 3500'.  Empty, of course.  Loaded should be a lot more fun.

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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2013, 10:54:36 AM »
Those Dreamliner parts are so lightweight that it shouldn't be any problem  =D
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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2013, 10:58:49 AM »
That has happened more than a few times in the airline world
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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2013, 11:00:33 AM »
Those Dreamliner parts are so lightweight that it shouldn't be any problem  =D

Made of upsy-daisyum.  They have to bolt them to the floor so they don't float away.

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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2013, 11:32:29 AM »
That has happened more than a few times in the airline world


This.

We sit real close to HOU.  When they're on 30, people try and slip in to our 35 on the visual from time to time.  UAL is bad about it for some reason....
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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2013, 12:03:08 PM »
Last year in Tampa we had a loaded C-17 accidentally land on a 3,500' runway.  He was a couple miles short of his intended target.  Apparently getting it back in the air was tricky.

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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2013, 01:30:15 PM »
That has happened more than a few times in the airline world


I remember the story of a Continental Airlines pilot landing his 737 at Cabaniss Field in Corpus Christi back in 1997. Looking at the aerials you can see how easy it would be to make the mistake visually since CCIA and Cabaniss are only separated by maybe five miles, North-South, and have runways on virtually identical headings. If CCIA is obscured for some reason then Cabaniss becomes the obvious choice. I vaguely recall the article saying something along the lines of CCIA being VFR for the most part with air traffic control being out of San Antonio, with the combination being how the mistake was made. Must have been loaded light too since the Cabaniss runways look like they're about half of CCIA's length

For those as don't know, Cabaniss Field is a WWII era training airfield that the Navy still uses for touch-and-go training so the runways are maintained but nothing else is really. As a result the hangars, which are the main visible structures, look like some post- apocalyptic nightmare. I can only imagine what the flight crew and passengers thought at the sight of them.

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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2013, 01:42:57 PM »
For those as don't know, Cabaniss Field is a WWII era training airfield that the Navy still uses for touch-and-go training so the runways are maintained but nothing else is really. As a result the hangars, which are the main visible structures, look like some post- apocalyptic nightmare. I can only imagine what the flight crew and passengers thought at the sight of them.

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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2013, 02:03:17 PM »
Last year in Tampa we had a loaded C-17 accidentally land on a 3,500' runway.  He was a couple miles short of his intended target.  Apparently getting it back in the air was tricky.

Interesting, as I've seen a heavily loaded C17 take off in less space. Of course, they want more runway in case they need to abort.... :O
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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2013, 02:17:10 PM »
Just took off. Nice to watch.
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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2013, 04:38:46 PM »
Take-off footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrjbARHz6o0

Took off with about 1000 feet to spare.  Good he didn't have to abort.
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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2013, 05:59:42 PM »
Take-off footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrjbARHz6o0

Took off with about 1000 feet to spare.  Good he didn't have to abort.

I think the same thing taking off from SLC in a 737 with about 100 feet to spare  :O

And that's after burning up about half the fuel just taxi-ing  ;/
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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2013, 06:27:56 PM »
I am kind of disappoint that they did not have to come up with some elaborate JATO arrangement, like they do with Fat Albert, the C-130 that flies support for the Blue Angels.  I have personally watched several Fat Albert takeoffs, and they are a sight to behold.
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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2013, 07:20:55 PM »
I am kind of disappoint that they did not have to come up with some elaborate JATO arrangement, like they do with Fat Albert, the C-130 that flies support for the Blue Angels.  I have personally watched several Fat Albert takeoffs, and they are a sight to behold.

According to Wikipedia the Blue Angels had to stop the JATO takoffs in 2009 because of dwindling rocket stocks.  =(
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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2013, 07:46:11 PM »
I think the same thing taking off from SLC in a 737 with about 100 feet to spare  :O

And that's after burning up about half the fuel just taxi-ing  ;/

WTF?  SLC has long runways.

I am kind of disappoint that they did not have to come up with some elaborate JATO arrangement, like they do with Fat Albert, the C-130 that flies support for the Blue Angels.  I have personally watched several Fat Albert takeoffs, and they are a sight to behold.

They don't have to use the JATO bottles for takeoff. They use them because they can and it makes a good show.
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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2013, 07:49:21 PM »
According to Wikipedia the Blue Angels had to stop the JATO takoffs in 2009 because of dwindling rocket stocks.  =(

My understanding is the J model killed off the need for jato.
WTF?  SLC has long runways.

They don't have to use the JATO bottles for takeoff. They use them because they can and it makes a good show.



Perception I'm sure.
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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2013, 08:13:11 PM »
They don't have to use the JATO bottles for takeoff. They use them because they can and it makes a good show.


Oh, indeed.  But it looks so cool to see that thing rotate in 100 yards and start climbing at a 45 degree angle.
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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2013, 08:51:08 PM »
Probably thought they were in "The Langoliers"  :lol:

That's exactly what I thought of when I read that post.
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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2013, 08:57:43 PM »
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Oh, indeed.  But it looks so cool to see that thing rotate in 100 yards and start climbing at a 45 degree angle.

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Re: 747 Freighter lands at wrong airport with too-short runways
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2013, 09:44:34 PM »
Need to give the ruskies a call. Bring over that antov 225 and load the dream lifter inside of it.
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