Union of North America?

[Michigander]

Who is Hal Turner and what is this about the "North American Union"?

I think this guy has done flipped or something.



This is some kind of joke, isn't it?

http://www.halturnershow.com/

[Paddy]

I don't know what to make of the whole North American Union conspiracy theory.  But those coins do have the look of government design to them.

[The Rabbi]

It is amazing what people will do for ratings.  This doesn't even pass the laugh test, much less the smell test.
A Union like that has been envisaged for probably well over 100 years.  Done the right way I dont think it's a bad idea at all.

[Tallpine]

Heck, I think we should invade Mexico and annex it as a territory.

That way all the Mexicans that want to live in the USA don't have to travel 

[The Rabbi]

You joke but if we could export the rule of law that we have in this country and the hostility to monopolies and gov't control (and compared to most of the word we are very unfriendly towards it) the average Mexican would be much better served.

[nico]

but what about the average American?

[Tallpine]

Rabbi, I'm only joking because I don't believe in starting wars.

But IMO we would have done much more to improve our "security" by invading Mexico rather than Iraq. 

It sure would have made the commute shorter, anyway 

[wmenorr67]

Why would we want Mexico when we can't even get places like California, New York City and Washington D.C. to join the U S of A.

[Tallpine]

Well, personally - I'd like to forget the USA just go back to something like the Articles of Confederation

[The Rabbi]

but what about the average American?

Also better off.
Each country (US, Canada, Mexico) has some strength and some weakness.  In the U.S. we have lots of capital and managerial experience.  We have a good system of laws and financial transparancy.  We do not have a good labor supply and are so-so on raw materials.
Canada has raw materials but a statist government and fewer qualified citizens.  They also dont have much ready labor.
Mexico has some raw materials (oil), not much middle class, little access to capital, and a lot of cheap labor.  They also have huge corruption problems and monopoly issues.  The richest man in the hemisphere, Carlos Slim, largely profited from gov't monopoly.
Take the best of all of them and you will build a much richer society.

[Standing Wolf]

but what about the average American?

Yeah. Right. Who cares about us?

[K Frame]

I really wonder if the average American would be better off overall.

US/Canadian commerce has been, for over 100 years, the world's freest border, and the exchange of goods and services has been bountiful.

I don't see how a North American Union would do much to change that.

[The Rabbi]

Not so free.
There are (unless it's changed recently) heavy tarriffs on Canadian timber.  I am sure there are lots of regulations and restrictions going both ways.

[Tallpine]

Canada is not so open to immigration either, at least by Americans.

Thirty years ago, I tried to get a work permit to work in the timber in northern BC.  The logging companies were advertising on the radio for fallers and skidder operators.  But at that time tens of thousands were unemployed in Toronto, so you pretty much had to be a doctor or a retiree with a steady income stream to get a residence visa.  Not that any of those factory workers would ever leave their unemployment check to go work in the woods in BC 

[Len Budney]

Canada is not so open to immigration either, at least by Americans.

They have laws to prevent immigrants from "taking jobs from Canadians." There are basically two ways to get in: your employer has to jump through hoops to prove that nobody in Canada can do what you do; or you have to promise that you'll go on welfare and stay on it. The fastest way in to Canada is on the welfare train.

--Len.

[Tallpine]

There are basically two ways to get in: your employer has to jump through hoops to prove that nobody in Canada can do what you do; or you have to promise that you'll go on welfare and stay on it.

The very nice gentleman at the immigration (whatever it was called, "ministry of something") office in Prince George admitted that the rule was silly - there was a vast shortage of people willing to work in the northern woods, but there was really nothing that could be done.  Canada is a beautiful country with nice people, but since their gun laws have gone the way they have, I'm glad I didn't get admitted back then.

No hard feelings, but what I was really trying to point out is that Canada is no more open to legal immigration from their southern neighbor than is the USA

[Michigander]

So this North American Union thing is a farce, right?

But if it were true, you guys would be for it?

[The Rabbi]

So this North American Union thing is a farce, right?

But if it were true, you guys would be for it?

A) Yes
B) The devil is in the details.

[roo_ster]

TR assumes that the best would be taken from each country.

I would place my money on a less utopian outcome more akin to Los Angeles* than Middle America with plentiful resources.

In a possible union of the US & Mexico, Los Angeles shows the future today.  Canada would be an afterthought.

* Statist, corrupt, large underclass with an upper class crust and no middle class to speak of.

[Tallpine]

But if it were true, you guys would be for it?

No, I'm actually for seccession 

[The Rabbi]

TR assumes that the best would be taken from each country.

I would place my money on a less utopian outcome more akin to Los Angeles* than Middle America with plentiful resources.

In a possible union of the US & Mexico, Los Angeles shows the future today.  Canada would be an afterthought.

* Statist, corrupt, large underclass with an upper class crust and no middle class to speak of.

As I said, the devil is in the details.  Yeah, if such a union involved stripping most of the BOR, statist control of various industries to prevent "profiteering", labor restrictions, etc etc, that is hardly a bargain.

[Michigander]

This Hal Turner guy even went so far as to have a fake Amero coin made up.  This guy really is a kook.

http://www.halturnershow.com/AmeroCoinArrives.html

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(if someone could reduce the size of the image, I'd appreciate it.)

[MechAg94]

Microsoft Paint will shrink the image if you have the jpeg.  Otherwise, I don't know.

[stevelyn]

I don't know what to make of the whole North American Union conspiracy theory.  But those coins do have the look of government design to them.

 

It's not a conspiracy theory. It's a done deal.
Why do think those in the goobermint will neither confirm nor deny? They aren't going to tip their hand risk opposition before everything is in place and they are avoiding outright lying to the public.

http://www.augustreview.com

[Paddy]

OK.  I'll bite.  Explain how GWB and the U.S. Congress are beholden to, and prepared to do the will of, the Trilateral Commission.