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Good or bad retail business model?
« on: September 20, 2007, 08:59:08 PM »
Not far from me is a huge liquor/wine/beer store. They've been in business for many years, and have the lowest prices around. On any given time, there are at least a dozen or more cars in the store's parking lot. On a holiday weekend, you can't even get close to the place. As far as I'm concerned, they own the market in this area.

A few weeks ago, I saw a new liquor/wine/beer store open about eight or ten blocks away. A nice, attractive, modern-looking building. I stopped in this evening to buy a six pack of PBR, but also out of curiousity. I wanted to see what the new store offered that the established store did not.

Prices appeared to be about the same. The only advantage that struck me immediately was that the store carried a variety of name-brand frozen pizzas, and I bought one.

But I got to thinking about this: the established store has been in a building that they bought years ago, which tells me that they've either paid for the building, or it's close to being paid for.

The new store looks like it cost a lot of money to build. It's much nicer. But  the owner is still competing on price alone.

Another difference I noted was that I was the only customer in the new store tonight, whereas there were probably a dozen or so customers at minimum at any moment in the established store.

When it comes to business and finance, I've always admitted that I could screw up a free cup of coffee. But this just seems like a recipe for failure. Why take on one of the most successful competitors in the area, try to compete on price alone (when the owners of the established store tell the distributors what they will pay for the goods, not the other way around), and spend probably a few hundred dollars to construct the new store?

If the owner of the new store had looked at some other areas around the county, I'm sure he could have found some that didn't have competition like he does now.

So, am I right, or is this new owner right?




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Re: Good or bad retail business model?
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2007, 03:42:53 AM »
There is such a theory in retail.
You'll notice that there is never one new car lot on a block.  There are always 2 or 3 others.  The theory being that if that is a good location for a car lot then its a good location, period.
Maybe these owners feel similarly.
Also, you mentioned the crowds.  Perhaps the new owners feel like people would rather have more convenience than the other store offers.  Maybe it's selection.
But the answer to your question is, no one knows for sure right now.  After 6 months or a year or 5 you might be able to tell.

On a side note, I find it really weird that liquor stores sell pizzas etc.  In TN liquor stores can only sell liquor, wine, and strong beer (over 8% alcohol).  If it isn't one of those, they can't sell it.  So a lot of stores also have attached party shops that sell regular beer, soft drinks, cups, coolers etc etc.
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Re: Good or bad retail business model?
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2007, 05:55:25 AM »
I assume you're talking about Discount Liquor, Dick?

What amazed me was when that defunct Kohl's grocery store sat for years just a few blocks west of them on 60th, that Discount didn't move into it with some minor remodeling. Presumably there would have been lots of pre-existing infrastructure in there for coolers for beer, and aisle space for wine and spirits.

I've seen high-end new construction "Liquor Supermarkets" in the Chicago area and they were a huge draw. I'm agog that someone hasn't tried it in drinks-like-fish Milwaukee yet.

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Discount Liquor is as gritty, run-down looking, and dingy as any stereotypical liquor store that any APS'er would care to imagine. The only difference is that Discount Liquor is a teeny bit bigger than your average hole-in-the-wall store, and is well stocked with a wide variety of top-shelf brands and medium to high-end wines. I suppose it's that the majority of the major chain supermarkets here have a liquor section due to WI's semi-lax liquor laws changes the dynamic. (In comparison to the south at least, I know liquor licenses are still doled out here like platinum if you don't have sufficient patronage&)

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Re: Good or bad retail business model?
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2007, 06:03:06 AM »
frozen pizza and booze...  I think that alone would make a few bucks and bring people in.

When 7-11 were in Iowa in the late 70's they seemed to set up shop with in a block of a pre exitisting mom and pop corner store. Sometimes the 7-11 survived (mom and pop closed) sometimes it didn't (mom and pop stayed open and 7-11 closed).
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Re: Good or bad retail business model?
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2007, 06:22:05 AM »
I assume you're talking about Discount Liquor Dick?



Why would anyone name a store Discount Liquor Dick?  That sounds like a recipe for failure right there.
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Re: Good or bad retail business model?
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2007, 07:17:52 AM »
I assume you're talking about Discount Liquor Dick?

Why would anyone name a store Discount Liquor Dick?  That sounds like a recipe for failure right there.

Or at least a recipe for erectile disfunction.  laugh
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Re: Good or bad retail business model?
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2007, 07:22:26 AM »
I assume you're talking about Discount Liquor Dick?

Why would anyone name a store Discount Liquor Dick?  That sounds like a recipe for failure right there.
I knew we'd eventually agree on something.

I'm imagining the advertising campaign:
"Discount Liquor Dick: Suck On Ours For a Change."
Or at least a recipe for erectile disfunction.  laugh
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Re: Good or bad retail business model?
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2007, 07:26:06 AM »
I was thinking along the lines of, "Ya gotta help me, doc! I got the worst case of Discount Liquor Dick!"

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Re: Good or bad retail business model?
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2007, 07:27:12 AM »
That sounds like something you'd get at a party or a night with the wrong sort. Smiley

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Re: Good or bad retail business model?
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2007, 07:32:32 AM »
I assume you're talking about Discount Liquor Dick?



Why would anyone name a store Discount Liquor Dick?  That sounds like a recipe for failure right there.

ROFL, I went back and added a comma.  grin

However, that might be a very successful business model for San Fransisco...
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Re: Good or bad retail business model?
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2007, 08:47:42 AM »
I knew what you meant.  But it just kind of *sprung* out at me.

I could see it as a syndrome.
[Assumes raspy voice]"I'm Bill Clinton.  Have you ever suffered from Discount Liquor Dick?  I used to.  The Arkansas Highway Patrol would get me some sweet trailier park thang and I'd just stand there with...well you know.  Then I started taking Viagra.  It stopped the problem. And I became President of the U.S.  Coincidence?  I don't know."[/raspy voice]
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Re: Good or bad retail business model?
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2007, 09:17:51 AM »
[snort]
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Re: Good or bad retail business model?
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2007, 12:39:58 PM »
Rabbi: Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

AJ, I don't think that people shop at Discount because of the atmosphere. It's price and selection.

I'll admit that I know next to nothing about retail. But taking on the biggest retailer in the area just seems like a bad idea.