Voter fraud frowned upon 'round these parts...

[Brad Johnson]

If you're out to commit voter fraud you might want to steer clear of Texas. Legal Permanent Resident fraudulently claims U.S. citizenship and votes not once or twice, but five times.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Trial-Begins-in-Alleged-Illegal-Voting-in-Tarrant-County-413091043.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_DFWBrand

Unfortunately it also highlights how easy it is to circumvent the system. All she did was change which citizenship box she checked on the application.

Brad

[RoadKingLarry]

Just voting for the democrats Americans won't vote for

[Ben]

If you're out to commit voter fraud you might want to steer clear of Texas. Legal Permanent Resident fraudulently claims U.S. citizenship and votes not once or twice, but five times.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Trial-Begins-in-Alleged-Illegal-Voting-in-Tarrant-County-413091043.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_DFWBrand

Unfortunately it also highlights how easy it is to circumvent the system. All she did was change which citizenship box she checked on the application.

Brad

This is why I have no problem with Trump chasing this down even though many conservatives are saying, "You won, let it go".

If this is happening in TX, where the state at least makes an effort to prevent it, imagine what has been going on in CA. I was saying "millions of cases" well before Trump was, and I still firmly believe that's the case.

The statement gets laughed at a lot in regards to the numbers, but in CA alone, there are nearly 4 million "known" illegals. Imagine how many "unknown" illegals there are. After all, their whole game is staying under the radar (unless they're related to certain CA state senators). There is no way to know the real numbers, and I'm certain TX has a large share as well, despite efforts by that state to curtail it.

Now add in the higher probability that these populations, who are already committing a crime, will have less of a problem committing other crimes, like voting multiple times. It is a huge problem.

[Hawkmoon]

This is why I become incensed by those who oppose requiring proof of citizenship in order to register as a voter, and requiring proof of identity in order to vote. The privilege and duty of voting is supposed to be one of the most important aspects of citizenship. If we don't take it seriously enough to even verify the validity of applicants, what good is even talking about registration?

As for this woman's claim that she didn't know she wasn't a citizen, all I can say is "Yeah, right."

[Ben]

As for this woman's claim that she didn't know she wasn't a citizen, all I can say is "Yeah, right."

You know, I can almost accept that claim. Well, not accept it, but understand how it was made. The illegal mill is multi-generational at this point, and I'm not surprised that many of these people don't even know whether they are actually citizens or not, because by now there are certainly wives tales and common fallacies like, "If you've lived here "X" years, you're automatically a citizen".

That doesn't negate the criminality, but I'm sure the spread of false and assumed information hasn't helped.

[Perd Hapley]

Undocumented voting - if you don't like it, you're a racist.

[zxcvbob]

Where did she get the Social Security number to register?
Let's say hypothetically that she did think she was a citizen.  She voted 5 times!  Eight years in prison sounds about right.

[Brad Johnson]

Where did she get the Social Security number to register?
Let's say hypothetically that she did think she was a citizen.  She voted 5 times!  Eight years in prison sounds about right.

LRAs can request SSNs.

Brad

[Hawkmoon]

LRAs can request SSNs.

I'm not sure they have to even request it. When my wife was granted her resident visa, the .gov assigned her a social security number before she even arrived here. I'm sure they wanted to be sure to get their cut if she happened to get a job fifteen minutes after landing.

[230RN]

I can just see her thinking, "I wonder if I can vote in 2020 from prison."

[RoadKingLarry]

I can just see her thinking, "I wonder if I can vote in 2020 from prison."

If the democraps had there way she'd be able to.

[Andiron]

I'm not sure they have to even request it. When my wife was granted her resident visa, the .gov assigned her a social security number before she even arrived here. I'm sure they wanted to be sure to get their cut if she happened to get a job fifteen minutes after landing.

*expletive deleted*ck her (the woman in OP) anyway.  Any goddamned moron knows you get one vote,  she can't weasel her way out of that.

Enjoy prison,  I don't have the slightest hope of her serving the whole thing,  but who knows.

[zxcvbob]

*expletive deleted*ck her (the woman in OP) anyway.  Any goddamned moron knows you get one vote,  she can't weasel her way out of that.
Enjoy prison,  I don't have the slightest hope of her serving the whole thing,  but who knows.

That's my sentiment exactly.

[DittoHead]

 

records showed that Ortega had voted a total of five times, most recently in the Republican primary runoff in May 2014

Maybe I'm reading too much into the phrasing here but I don't think it's saying she voted 5 times in the same election, just that she voted 5 times total (in different elections).

[zxcvbob]

???Maybe I'm reading too much into the phrasing here but I don't think it's saying she voted 5 times in the same election, just that she voted 5 times total (in different elections).

You're messin' up my outrage.

[MechAg94]

IMO, this is partly wrapped up in the failure to actually enforce immigration laws for so long.  We have allowed these people to stay here and some have been here most of their lives and have children here.  There are going to be sob stories as we start deporting them like the links below.  However, the blame goes to the politicians who blocked enforcement of our laws, not the Govt now who is actually deporting some people. 
https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-02-10/attorney-says-woman-deported-phoenix-might-have-had-her-conviction-overturned
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/09/arizona-guadalupe-garcia-de-rayos-deported-protests
We have to get tough on this as it is the only way to encourage people to immigrate in the right way.  The sad thing is that being 2nd class citizens here is better than where they came from. 

[DittoHead]

Happened to see another article about this today that contained this slightly ironic tidbit

Ortega went to the polls eager to vote for Abbott, the attorney general behind the effort to eradicate voter fraud, to become the next governor of Texas.

[Hawkmoon]

Sheesh.

Mexican born and Texas raised, Ortega voted in Dallas County after filling out a registration form saying she was a U.S. citizen. She did the same after she moved one county over, which led detectives to knock on her door. Ortega told them she thought she could vote because she has a green card. Isn’t that enough?

It's hard to believe that anyone could be so dumb they actually think a card that says "Resident Alien" means they are a citizen.

Initially, some Texas Democrats agreed that mandatory photo IDs might be a good idea. State Rep. Rafael Anchia (D) said he had been open to the efforts, but he then “started to see cracks in the narrative. I started asking myself what is this about? It was clear this was about suppressing the vote of black and brown people.”

I still can't understand why anyone believes being asked to show proof that you are who you say you are is in any way a method of voter suppression. The liberals can blather all they want about "common sense" gun control laws, but what's more common sense than requiring people who vote to show (a) that they are entitled to vote, and (b) that they are who they say they are.

The simple fact is, if Texas had required people to show proof of citizenship when they register to vote, Ms. Ortega would never have been allowed to vote illegally, and she wouldn't be in the mess she's in right now.

[MechAg94]

Voter ID is also a hindrance to illegal voting in general which I think happens more than most people think. 

[MechAg94]

8 years is a good bit of time.  Maybe it will discourage the the others.

The situation is that Ortega, 37, voted illegally and has become the national face of voter fraud, a crime that President Trump and other Republicans believe is an epidemic endangering the integrity of American elections, even though no evidence supports the claim.

Except the voter ID law will help establish evidence without hindering any legal voters.

[Firethorn]

It's hard to believe that anyone could be so dumb they actually think a card that says "Resident Alien" means they are a citizen.

On the other hand, I find it easy to believe.  Remember the saying about idiot-proofing stuff and the result being that the universe invents a better idiot?

I still can't understand why anyone believes being asked to show proof that you are who you say you are is in any way a method of voter suppression.

The argument is that really poor people tend to vote democrat.  Requiring ID costs a little bit of money, to people for whom even $10 is considered a major amount.  In addition, these types tend to not have other forms of documentation in order that enables them to get the "enhanced ID" driver's licenses and ID cards, which means that they need to do things like request copies of SSN cards and birth certificates, and that can cost up to $100, and take a couple months.

That said, ID cards are used for a number of other things, but I'm satisfied, and voter ID laws tend to be upheld, when there's a free option for an ID card.

[makattak]

Voter ID is also a hindrance to illegal voting in general which I think happens more than most people think.  

James O'Keefe has video of Democrat operatives admitting to a long-established practice of busing in voters from out of district/state.

The Democrats also know that the locales where they commit the blatant fraud are Democrat controlled and have been for decades. They need fear no prosecution.

[DittoHead]

the voter ID law will help establish evidence

In my opinion this is a pretty good argument for the ID laws although I rarely see it used - people seem to really focus on the prevention aspect.

Pytletski says this type of charge has only been seen in the past decade one time, but because there was not voter ID law, the county was forced to drop the charges. But in the 2016 election, showing a photo ID was mandated by law. The county was able to charge Noffke because they could confirm he was the one who showed up, registered, and voted using his own identification.

[wmenorr67]

On the other hand, I find it easy to believe.  Remember the saying about idiot-proofing stuff and the result being that the universe invents a better idiot?

The argument is that really poor people tend to vote democrat.  Requiring ID costs a little bit of money, to people for whom even $10 is considered a major amount.  In addition, these types tend to not have other forms of documentation in order that enables them to get the "enhanced ID" driver's licenses and ID cards, which means that they need to do things like request copies of SSN cards and birth certificates, and that can cost up to $100, and take a couple months.

That said, ID cards are used for a number of other things, but I'm satisfied, and voter ID laws tend to be upheld, when there's a free option for an ID card.

How do they prove who they are to cash a check at Wally World or collect money from Western Union?

[Firethorn]

How do they prove who they are to cash a check at Wally World or collect money from Western Union?

These people are often a step even below that.  As for ID, they'll go for things like names on utility/rent bills.