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All your food belongs to us
« on: December 01, 2010, 09:06:23 AM »
Anyone familiar with this little gem of a takeover by the feds?  US Senate passes the Patriot Act for Food, S510, by a vote of 73 to 25

http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/s-510-is-hissing-in-the-grass/

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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2010, 09:11:40 AM »
I metioned this in another thread yesterday.  Couple that with WikiLeaks being a plan by Obama and his Marxist handleers to use it as an excuse to regulate the internet.

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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2010, 09:15:31 AM »
http://hubpages.com/hub/SB-510-and-your-right-to-grow-your-own-food

Interestingly enough it seems that alot of small hippy farmers are pissed off about this. 
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2010, 10:22:24 AM »
Ironically, right after Obama freezes Federal pay, they pass a bill that requires hiring more Federal workers.

And yeah, this one seems to be pissing off everyone from the hippy farmers to farming corporations. Ultimately everyone who eats will be pissed off when food prices skyrocket.

Also, smooth move by the Republicans who voted for this, right after an election that screamed, "Smaller government!"
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2010, 10:33:17 AM »
Sweet zombie baby jeebus, the Statists never give up.

What will it take for them to get it, finally?
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2010, 10:41:43 AM »
i would suggest reading the actual bill as amended
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2010, 11:14:21 AM »
i would suggest reading the actual bill as amended

I'm haven't been able to track down a copy of the bill as passed, but from what I'm finding second hand it would appear they added an exclusion for any farm that has less than half a million $ in annual sales. 
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2010, 11:14:46 AM »
« Last Edit: December 01, 2010, 12:22:59 PM by Ron »
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2010, 12:15:11 PM »
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Sweet zombie baby jeebus, the Statists never give up.

What will it take for them to get it, finally?

That's the one and only question.

Maybe complete collapse that they find themselves unable to manipulate, control, and exploit.  They appear to believe that chaos is their friend.  I think history suggests otherwise.
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2010, 12:56:07 PM »
Holy *expletive deleted*ck. If this is true. It might be a little closer to that time ( mentioned by Claire Wolfe)

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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2010, 01:03:13 PM »
key words if it were true
  and so sad since the link to the actual bill has been provided
  and yet folks will take the time to read the website from the freefood folks
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2010, 01:14:34 PM »
And yet another link to the bill
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:s510es.txt.pdf

As a small market gardener this new law does concern me.
My operation will be affected by this but I'm not sure just how much impact there will be.
I'm not optimistic but I'm not ready to get out the pitchfork and torches yet . (but I will be making ready)

I've been tied up with settling an estate the last couple of months and haven't paid as much attention to this I should have. both my Senators voted against so I'm happy with that. Looks like this will have to go to the House as the next step so unless I'm wrong about this it can still be shut down.
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2010, 02:11:13 PM »
Are they purposely trying to destroy everything?
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2010, 02:25:19 PM »
They don't do that "purposefully" it is a natural ability .....
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2010, 02:33:02 PM »
we pause to interject a few facts

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20101130/ts_yblog_thelookout/how-the-new-food-safety-bill-might-affect-you

please return to your regularly scheduled rant

It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2010, 02:36:22 PM »
You tried that one before; it didn't work.  You need to get over the fact that this is the internet; facts don't matter.

And anyway I'm sure that no other bill the dumbocratublicans ever passed as had bad unintended consequences .... like sending jobs overseas or anything ...no; only evil >:D greedy >:D industrialists do that.
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2010, 02:38:42 PM »
facts don't matter.


i think mr quick summed it up well

"Why, no. I don't believe truth can be brought to people such as yourself. I doubt you'd recognize truth if your head was held tight and your nose was rubbed in it."
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It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2010, 02:54:25 PM »
And so the bill is nothing but smiling wisdom and legislative brilliance??  [popcorn]


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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2010, 02:56:13 PM »
you have read it? right?
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2010, 02:59:54 PM »
And you know what an UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE is..... right?
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2010, 03:06:24 PM »
yea.  was that a yes or a no? about actually reading the bill
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2010, 06:18:23 PM »
I'm more worried about large, corporate mono-crop farming.
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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2010, 07:03:50 PM »
After hearing some hysteria about this bill last week or so I went looking for the bills sponsors, expecting to find the usual suspects. Never did find who it was since I saw a shiny object before tracking that down, but I did run across the current version of the bill as noted in the link above. While I won't say I was exhaustive in my research, it looks like the more onerous provisions have been struck out leaving a bunch of feel-god provisions stating that the Secretary must report on this, that, and that other thing while making plans should terrorists with frikkin lasers on their heads do something rash. Of course there can always be crap hidden way down deep that I didn't see through my glazed-over eyes, but at that point it looked pretty well neutered.

At the same time it had a lot of "the Secretary shall determine" language and that's not what I pay my congresscritters for.

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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2010, 08:09:46 PM »
we pause to interject a few facts

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20101130/ts_yblog_thelookout/how-the-new-food-safety-bill-might-affect-you

please return to your regularly scheduled rant

I believe "sweeping new powers" was one of the facts mentioned in your quoted article. Which equates to requiring a larger fed.gov workforce. Which equates to yet another straw on the back of that camel that's walking from the country of "Anything not expressly forbidden is allowed" to the country of "Anything not expressly allowed is forbidden".

I'm tired of "for my safety" being an excuse for every new piece of legislation. I hold safety a good deal lower than freedom.

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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2010, 08:13:15 PM »
I'm more worried about large, corporate mono-crop farming.

Sorry already has happened.

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