Executions by nitrogen gas

[MillCreek]

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/02/10/nitrogen-gas-death-penalty-bills-clear-oklahoma-panels

We have discussed nitrogen hypoxia many times.  It will be interesting to see if this goes anywhere.

[Perd Hapley]

I'm sorry. I know this has all been said before, but what the heck is wrong with hanging, the firing squad, or just a bullet in the head? 

It's an execution for a capital crime, for crying out loud. They're not putting Fluffy to sleep. Should we really put ourselves out to make sure they feel no pain, even when we are killing them?

[Boomhauer]

I'm sorry. I know this has all been said before, but what the heck is wrong with hanging, the firing squad, or just a bullet in the head? 

It's an execution for a capital crime, for crying out loud. They're not putting Fluffy to sleep. Should we really put ourselves out to make sure they feel no pain, even when we are killing them?

Because the limpwristed spineless liberals in this nation care more about the criminals than their victims.

[MillCreek]

I'm sorry. I know this has all been said before, but what the heck is wrong with hanging, the firing squad, or just a bullet in the head? 

It's an execution for a capital crime, for crying out loud. They're not putting Fluffy to sleep. Should we really put ourselves out to make sure they feel no pain, even when we are killing them?

I think we should.  To the extent that the death penalty is appropriate, I think it should be done in a humane manner. 

[Andiron]

I think we should.  To the extent that the death penalty is appropriate, I think it should be done in a humane manner. 

Humane in the same context of the 8th amendment suits me.  Don't believe they had lethal injections when that was penned.

[Fitz]

I think we should.  To the extent that the death penalty is appropriate, I think it should be done in a humane manner. 

Not much more humane than a bullet to the head. Cheaper too.

[Boomhauer]

Not much more humane than a bullet to the head. Cheaper too.

This.

[MechAg94]

Not much more humane than a bullet to the head. Cheaper too.

I would tend to agree, but we have all seen the examples of law enforcement marksmanship.  The chance for errors is high.  Might have to move up to a firing company.  

[MechAg94]

On the nitrogen, I have considered this myself.  It would be fairly cheap, painless, quick, and no rare or expensive chemicals would be needed.  The oxygen monitors that would be needed around it are cheap and easy to find.  They execute people so seldom that cylinder nitrogen could be used.  If they have to graduate to liquid nitrogen storage, they might be getting carried away with the numbers or procedures.  (I guess it might be needed if they go with a booth instead of a mask.)

I think someone here also mentioned using nitrous oxide as a prep. 

The funny thing is federal regulations would probably require them to use FDA regulated Nitrogen NF gas (food/hospital grade) that is manufactured using Good Manufacturing Practices instead of plain old industrial nitrogen. 

[BobR]

They should add helium to the bill as an acceptable gas to use, not only do they die just as quick as they do nitrogen you can get it at the nearby balloon store and the condemmed sounds like Donald Duck as he makes his exit.    
 
bob

[birdman]

But Ryan Kiesel, director of the Oklahoma chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, described the legislators' effort as a "fool's errand."

"It's absurd to try to chase down a more humane way to intentionally take the life of another human being against their will," Kiesel said.

Ironic...given that the death penalty is effectively only applied when the convicted DID THIS TO SOMEONE ELSE

[Ron]

Firing squad and hangings can get messy if not done right.

This seems to be less of a hassle for those charged with hauling away the remains.

[zahc]

I am a supporter of the technique. I can't think of a more humane method.

[RoadKingLarry]

I've recently become enamored of the "dig a hole and bury them" method. No intermediate steps, just dig a deep hole, throw them in and fill up the hole.

[RevDisk]

Humane, economical and hard to screw up. I'd say it's the best option.

[Boomhauer]

I've recently become enamored of the "dig a hole and bury them" method. No intermediate steps, just dig a deep hole, throw them in and fill up the hole.

I like this a lot.

[K Frame]

A bill promoting executions with nitroglycerine?

Hey, I'm all for it.

[Doggy Daddy]

I would tend to agree, but we have all seen the examples of law enforcement marksmanship.  The change for errors is high.  Might have to move up to a firing company.   

No need to do all that.  One ad placed in the right place would yield plenty of qualified volunteers.  I'm sure they'd even supply their own "tools" and ammo.   

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

When Gary Gilmore was executed 1500 folks volunteered


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[De Selby]

The lethal injection show is more about making the execution look like something medical or scientific than it is about pain.  I think policymakers have judged that they minimise fallout with that sort of look.

[Firethorn]

They're not putting Fluffy to sleep. Should we really put ourselves out to make sure they feel no pain, even when we are killing them?

Actually, at the point we're executing somebody, I view it a lot like putting down ol'Yeller because he's rabid.  We're putting him/her down for the good of society.  We don't need to make it any more painful than necessary.

Plus, not leaving a mess(gunshot) or risking a head popping off(hanging) is a bonus.  However, the current system of tying the convicted down and sticking needles in them has to end.  If we continue with it it should be with a massive dose of straight painkillers - no need for the cocktail we use now.

The benefit of nitrogen asphyxiation as an execution method is that any good welding shop can provide everything needed - from what welding is necessary to form an airtight room and the associated connections for the gases to the gas itself.

Oh, and I'm partial to the booth method myself.  Give them a nice comfy chair in it and a book.  Let them listen to a stereo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOV8mBjHHYg

Remember - I view it as little different than putting down a rabid dog.  They're dying, no need to add anything to it.

[Pharmacology]

On the nitrogen, I have considered this myself. 

Don't do it! 
Life is worth living!
(probably)

[Perd Hapley]

I think we should.  To the extent that the death penalty is appropriate, I think it should be done in a humane manner. 

Hanging, done professionally, is humane.

A well-placed bullet is humane, obviously.

This lethal injection/inhalation/asphyxiation nonsense is a farce. Someone is being killed, and they're being killed as punishment for an awful crime. Torture is not called for, of course, but pain is to expected, when convicted of murder and sentenced to death. There is no justification for going to such lengths as we go to avoid it. If we're going to kill murderers, let's put on our big boy pants, and accept that the condemned will experience some unpleasantness as we kill them.

[Firethorn]

Lethal injection is, I believe, more painful than hanging.  As are most of the other methods we transitioned to away from hanging.

Firing squad, guillotine and such are acceptably painless, done right, but are too messy for people to accept it today.

I propose nitrogen asphyxiation as a fix for the over-complicated mess that is lethal injection.  If it was decided that firing squad, heck, captive bolt pistol, was enough, I'd go for that.

It meets the 'no unnecessary suffering' standard.  It's simple.  It doesn't require specialized medical training and experience.  It doesn't depend upon chemicals that are easily cut off.

You can go on about old methods of execution all you like, but they've already been ruled out. 

[wmenorr67]

But Ryan Kiesel, director of the Oklahoma chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, described the legislators' effort as a "fool's errand."

"It's absurd to try to chase down a more humane way to intentionally take the life of another human being against their will," Kiesel said.

No it isn't against their will.  As soon as they took another life their will was to be executed.