Author Topic: Atheist Group Files Lawsuit Against Display of WTC Cross at 9/11 Memorial (Read 5062 times)

wmenorr67 · « **on:** July 27, 2011, 01:15:54 PM »

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/27/atheist-group-files-lawsuit-against-display-wtc-cross-at-11-memorial/

Correct me if I'm wrong but this is all private money funding the memorial and such. Such that the case they don't have one.

Fitz · « **Reply #1 on:** July 27, 2011, 01:55:21 PM »

This is typical....

people misunderstanding what "separation of church and state" actually means.

Congress shall make no law respecting, etc....

seems to me congress has nothing to do with this memorial

brimic · « **Reply #2 on:** July 27, 2011, 03:22:29 PM »

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The WTC cross has become a Christian icon. It has been blessed by so-called holy men and presented as a reminder that their god, who couldn't be bothered to stop the Muslim terrorists or prevent 3,000 people from being killed in his name, cared only enough to bestow upon us some rubble that resembles a cross," the group's president, Dave Silverman, said in a press release. "It's a truly ridiculous assertion."

So if there really isn't a God, why make such statements or why be offended by it?

Balog · « **Reply #3 on:** July 27, 2011, 03:27:42 PM »

Atheists are even worse than libertarians at PR. I swear, it's like they're trying to make people dislike them.

MechAg94 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 27, 2011, 03:31:55 PM »

Quote from: Balog on July 27, 2011, 03:27:42 PM

Atheists are even worse than libertarians at PR. I swear, it's like they're trying to make people dislike them.

Worse than that, it seems too many of them seem to be trying to outlaw any and all public displays or mention of anything Christian. I like that we keep govt and religion basically separate, but they keep pushing and pushing. Most Christians are pretty tolerant, but these people are extremely intolerant of anything they don't agree with.

wmenorr67 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 27, 2011, 03:34:25 PM »

Plus if I read correctly somewhere there were going to be Jewish and Muslim symbols of faith there also.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #6 on:** July 27, 2011, 05:32:55 PM »

Quote from: Balog on July 27, 2011, 03:27:42 PM

Atheists are even worse than libertarians at PR. I swear, it's like they're trying to make people dislike them.

may i use that as my sig line on another forum?

AmbulanceDriver · « **Reply #7 on:** July 27, 2011, 05:34:46 PM »

^

Will it piss off a bunch of atheists?

*grin*

Balog · « **Reply #8 on:** July 27, 2011, 06:15:44 PM »

Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on July 27, 2011, 05:32:55 PM

may i use that as my sig line on another forum?

Sure, go right ahead. Just copy paste if you attribute it to me so the punctuation and such is correct.

KD5NRH · « **Reply #9 on:** July 27, 2011, 09:05:47 PM »

Quote from: wmenorr67 on July 27, 2011, 03:34:25 PM

Plus if I read correctly somewhere there were going to be Jewish and Muslim symbols of faith there also.

The Mohammed shaped urinals are expected to be a theft risk, though.

De Selby · « **Reply #10 on:** July 27, 2011, 09:15:28 PM »

Quote from: KD5NRH on July 27, 2011, 09:05:47 PM

The Mohammed shaped urinals are expected to be a theft risk, though.

Classy - how is treating Islam this way any different to how Saudis talk about Judaism?

Balog · « **Reply #11 on:** July 27, 2011, 09:42:26 PM »

Jews aren't blowing up Saudis, and Saudis are actively supporting terrorism against both Americans in Iraq and Jews in Israel?

De Selby · « **Reply #12 on:** July 27, 2011, 10:19:07 PM »

Quote from: Balog on July 27, 2011, 09:42:26 PM

Jews aren't blowing up Saudis, and Saudis are actively supporting terrorism against both Americans in Iraq and Jews in Israel?

Ah yes - how did we decide that all muslims are responsible for the deeds is Saudis? Or that they're all responsible for terrorism again? And how does this warrant peeing on their religion?

RoadKingLarry · « **Reply #13 on:** July 28, 2011, 04:50:14 AM »

Quote from: Balog on July 27, 2011, 03:27:42 PM

Some Atheists are even worse than libertarians at PR. I swear, it's like they're trying to make people dislike them.

FTFY

Not all atheists are of the militant anti-religion bent.

Balog · « **Reply #14 on:** July 28, 2011, 08:30:52 AM »

I didn't say I approved of the comment, or any of that other crap ypou attribute to me. i merely answered your question of how his comment was different than the saudi treatment of jews.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #15 on:** July 28, 2011, 08:41:07 AM »

Quote from: Balog on July 27, 2011, 09:42:26 PM

Jews aren't blowing up Saudis, and Saudis are actively supporting terrorism against both Americans in Iraq and Jews in Israel?

Balog.

What would you do if I stole your lawn on the argument you weren't building anything on it, and then brought it a trailer home, parked it on your lawn, and rented it to a family of Mexicans?

BryanP · « **Reply #16 on:** July 28, 2011, 08:56:25 AM »

Quote from: wmenorr67 on July 27, 2011, 01:15:54 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/27/atheist-group-files-lawsuit-against-display-wtc-cross-at-11-memorial/

Correct me if I'm wrong but this is all private money funding the memorial and such. Such that the case they don't have one.

I don't have time this morning to go digging deeper, but based on verbiage in their own operations FAQ they do get federal funding.

http://www.911memorial.org/sites/all/files/memorial%20operations.pdf

Personally I think the cross should be allowed, but if so they should also allow memorial space for every other faith represented by the victims.

MechAg94 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 28, 2011, 09:02:15 AM »

Quote from: BryanP on July 28, 2011, 08:56:25 AM

I don't have time this morning to go digging deeper, but based on verbiage in their own operations FAQ they do get federal funding.

http://www.911memorial.org/sites/all/files/memorial%20operations.pdf

Personally I think the cross should be allowed, but if so they should also allow memorial space for every other faith represented by the victims.

I don't think anyone has a problem with that last. It is a the people trying to remove any religious symbols that I think it wrong and kind of silly.

Maybe they can have a Cross, a Star of David, a Crescent, and then a blank spot to represent atheists. I'm not sure what would be good for agnostics, but they are probably not sure either.

AmbulanceDriver · « **Reply #18 on:** July 28, 2011, 09:32:26 AM »

Quote from: MechAg94 on July 28, 2011, 09:02:15 AM

I don't think anyone has a problem with that last. It is a the people trying to remove any religious symbols that I think it wrong and kind of silly.

Maybe they can have a Cross, a Star of David, a Crescent, and then a blank spot to represent atheists. I'm not sure what would be good for agnostics, but they are probably not sure either.

That's easy....

A question mark.

BryanP · « **Reply #19 on:** July 28, 2011, 10:39:06 AM »

Quote from: MechAg94 on July 28, 2011, 09:02:15 AM

I don't think anyone has a problem with that last. It is a the people trying to remove any religious symbols that I think it wrong and kind of silly.

Maybe they can have a Cross, a Star of David, a Crescent, and then a blank spot to represent atheists. I'm not sure what would be good for agnostics, but they are probably not sure either.

There would be screams of hysterical outrage over a crescent.

Jamisjockey · « **Reply #20 on:** July 28, 2011, 10:39:13 AM »

As an atheist, I never got the idea of pushing atheisim.

My one question, though, who is paying for the cross?
Oh, yes, we are, the taxpayers. For once, I would agree with the organized atheists, but not for the reason they are pushing. Taxpayer funding should never be used to erect a religious symbol.
If the cross were being funded privately, though, then hey, who gives a flying spagetti monster?

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #21 on:** July 28, 2011, 10:50:32 AM »

Quote from: BryanP on July 28, 2011, 10:39:06 AM

There would be screams of hysterical outrage over a crescent.

Would?

Balog · « **Reply #22 on:** July 28, 2011, 10:53:06 AM »

Quote from: JamisJockey on July 28, 2011, 10:39:13 AM

As an atheist, I never got the idea of pushing atheisim.

My one question, though, who is paying for the cross?
Oh, yes, we are, the taxpayers. For once, I would agree with the organized atheists, but not for the reason they are pushing. Taxpayer funding should never be used to erect a religious symbol.
If the cross were being funded privately, though, then hey, who gives a flying spagetti monster?

Like all currently minted and printed legal tender?

Quote from: MicroBalrog on July 28, 2011, 08:41:07 AM

Balog.

What would you do if I stole your lawn on the argument you weren't building anything on it, and then brought it a trailer home, parked it on your lawn, and rented it to a family of Mexicans?

So your contention is that the screaming beards calling for the genocide of the Israeli Jews are justified? Man, I know they say Jews are self loathing but that's extreme...

Quote from: MechAg94 on July 28, 2011, 09:02:15 AM

I don't think anyone has a problem with that last. It is a the people trying to remove any religious symbols that I think it wrong and kind of silly.

Maybe they can have a Cross, a Star of David, a Crescent, and then a blank spot to represent atheists. I'm not sure what would be good for agnostics, but they are probably not sure either.

I lol'ed...

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #23 on:** July 28, 2011, 12:22:41 PM »

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So your contention is that the screaming beards calling for the genocide of the Israeli Jews are justified? Man, I know they say Jews are self loathing but that's extreme... Tongue

What I am saying is that the ISraeli government has sponsored policies - and is sponsoring policies - towards Palestinians in the West Bank that, if practiced by a foreign government against the Americans, would cause citizens to rise up in arms.

Jews - to what extent the Jewish state is a representative of 'the Jews' - have practiced actions against Palestinians that are not justifiable by terrorism, just in the same way as the terrorism is not justified by those actions.

Therefore, yes, Jews do routinely do unfair and evil stuff to innocent Muslims. It is not justified by the fact the other Muslims do evil stuff to Jews.

wmenorr67 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 28, 2011, 12:56:30 PM »

There is always one religion or another doing something to another in the name of God. Has been going on forever and will go on long after we have left this earth. Doesn't make it right but nothing that we can do to stop it either.

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Author Topic: Atheist Group Files Lawsuit Against Display of WTC Cross at 9/11 Memorial (Read 5062 times)