Post by: Waitone on December 27, 2006, 03:46:35 AM
Me? I guess my favorite would be early, early John Wayne westerns shot long before he became a big star. He appeared in a blue hundred B grade westerns. Plots were pretty much the same. Some of the character actors had an air of authenticity about them you just don't sense with today's actors. Horsemanship was excellent. Stunts were insanely dangerous. Mid to late '30's Hollywood hired a number of genuine official cowboys as actors and consultants. Tom Mix was one. The famous Wyatt Earp made a nice living working with film producers. My favorite John Wayne flick was "Searchers". Couldn't decide until the end if he was a good guy or a bad guy.
My favorite TV western was "The Rifleman". Lots of good morals teaching going on. Beside that, the music bed was great. It added to the tension in ways that other westerns simply missed.
OK, How 'bout you?
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 27, 2006, 04:34:16 AM
Post by: Ben on December 27, 2006, 05:26:10 AM
Also a big fan of the Rifleman, for the same reasons -- great "morals" stories and clear good vs bad tales. I like moral clarity once in a while.
I'm re-watching the whole series via Netflix right now. I once dated and almost, tragically, married a far, far left gun hating liberal woman. One of my greatest legacies after breaking up with her was having hooked her five year old on "The Rifleman". The other one was hooking him on "The Three Stooges". She hated me so...... 
Post by: 280plus on December 27, 2006, 05:43:39 AM
Post by: Werewolf on December 27, 2006, 09:32:58 AM
John Wayne can't be beat.
#1 - John Wayne and the Cowboys
#2 - The Searchers
Another good one that comes to mind though I can't remember the name is that western with Gene Hackman as a gunfighter that holds a gun fighting contest in his town. Had Sharon Stone and Russel Crow in it too. Very cool movie and a great ending.
Post by: Brad Johnson on December 27, 2006, 09:55:18 AM
ride Bowley, ride, in search of El Dorado."
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"Hey, you fall off your horse?"
"YEAH!"
(attached as a .wav file -Brad)
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"My name is Alan ... BeDillion ... Trahern"
"Lordamighty!"
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"What are you lookin' at?"
"I'm lookin' at a tin star with a drunk pinned on it."
Post by: JAlexander on December 27, 2006, 10:02:55 AM
James
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Post by: AZRedhawk44 on December 27, 2006, 12:17:16 PM
Favorite modern western: Unforgiven
Favorite silly western: The Quick and the Dead. Gene Hackman was great in that!
Post by: Cosmoline on December 27, 2006, 12:19:35 PM
Rio Bravo. Hawks' antidote to the absurdity of "High Noon." It's one of the greatest Westerns ever made, and set the pattern for a thousand action films to come. The whole opening segment is done with virtually no dialog and is a remarkable piece of filmmaking. Wayne is paired off with Walter Brennan as the sidekick Stumpy and Dean Martin as a washed up drunk of a deputy. Brennan was an academy award winning actor, and brings a depth to the sidekick role. Martin was no stranger to the bottle, and does a surprisingly good job in the film. The shootouts are fantastic. Hawks himself remade it twice. "El Dorado" is the best of these, and in some ways an improvement on the original.
Stagecoach, of course.
Red River and The Searchers
I count "Treasure of the Sierra Madre" as a Western, and it also happens to be one of the top ten greatest films of all time.
I really liked "Silverado." It's an homage to the golden age westerns and it works very well.
For grittier westerns I Walter Hill's "The Long Riders." It brought a historical realism and grit to the genre many years before "Unforgiven."
For TV westerns, "Lonesome Dove" is the best.
"Tombstone" was fun, but I wish it had more Sam Elliot.
And speaking of Elliot, I really really loved "Conagher," the retro TNT B-Western that gave Elliot the time to settle into his role. Pick it up on DVD if you see it.
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guess my favorite would be early, early John Wayne westerns shot long before he became a big star. He appeared in a blue hundred B grade westerns.
A lot of these have been coming out on DVD lately. "Tall in the Saddle" is one of my favorites. It was made in '44, when Wayne was already well on his way to becoming an A-List superstar. But the plot and style are a throwback to the serial Westerns of the 1930's. It pairs Wayne with Gabby Hayes in several memorable scenes.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0037343/
I've never cared much for Shane, High Noon, Dances with Wolves, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Little Big Man, or any of the other "squishy" or touchy-feely westerns.
I like the Italian westerns as fun popcorn films, but don't care much for "Once Upon A Time in the West" because it tries to look serious and just ends up looking silly.
I hated "The Quick and the Dead," the one with Sharon Stone in it. Hackman looked very happy to finally get put out of his misery. A western with that Dicaprio punk? Come on.
Post by: charby on December 27, 2006, 12:22:33 PM
I like McClintock, Red River, Cheyenne Social Club, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence, My Name is Nobody, Nevada Smith, and Cowboy.
Post by: Monkeyleg on December 27, 2006, 01:23:02 PM
This may sound like heresy, but I never much cared for John Wayne. I have no idea why.
As for TV westerns, I like just about all of them: Rawhide, The Rifleman, Wanted Dead or Alive, Have Gun Will Travel (when I was a kid, I wanted to look like Richard Boone), and even Bonanza. Yeah, Bonanza wasn't a real western, but our whole family gathered around the TV on Sunday nights to watch it.
Post by: K Frame on December 27, 2006, 01:31:27 PM
Winchester '73 is exceptionally good.
True Grit and the Shootist are great fun.
Pale Rider is an under appreciated classic.
Blazing Saddles is hysterical.
I really like Breakheart Pass, too, but it doesn't get very good reviews.
Post by: mustanger98 on December 27, 2006, 01:58:35 PM
Blazing Saddles - besides being a pretty good western it is the movie that's made me laugh harder than any other regardless of genre in my 54 years.
John Wayne can't be beat.
#1 - John Wayne and the Cowboys
#2 - The Searchers
Another good one that comes to mind though I can't remember the name is that western with Gene Hackman as a gunfighter that holds a gun fighting contest in his town. Had Sharon Stone and Russel Crow in it too. Very cool movie and a great ending.
John Wayne can't be beat.
#1 - John Wayne and the Cowboys
#2 - The Searchers
Another good one that comes to mind though I can't remember the name is that western with Gene Hackman as a gunfighter that holds a gun fighting contest in his town. Had Sharon Stone and Russel Crow in it too. Very cool movie and a great ending.
I like a good many of John Wayne's films from the Cavalry trilogy on. And the Cav. trilogy finance "The Quiet Man" (which isn't a western, but a great John Wayne film). I thought McClintock was a real good one. True Grit... another good one, but based on a novel by Charles Portis.
That "The Quick and The Dead" thing... I saw it too. I thought the ending was the best part. She killed 'em and the movie was over.
Sam Elliott did another film called "The Quick and The Dead" based on a Louis L'Amour novel by the same title. I consider it was a lot better.
Post by: mustanger98 on December 27, 2006, 02:02:50 PM
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"My name is Alan ... BeDillion ... Trahern"
Robert Mitchum's response: "No wonder he carries a knife."
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"...over the Mountain of the Moon, through the Valley of the Shandow,
ride Bowley, ride, in search of El Dorado."
ride Bowley, ride, in search of El Dorado."
http://www.stormpages.com/clark/eldorado.html
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El Dorado
By
Edgar Allan Poe
1845
Gaily bedight, A gallant knight, In sunshine and in shadow,
Had journeyed long, Singing a song, In search of El Dorado.
But he grew old - This knight so bold - And o'er his heart a shadow
Fell as he found, No spot of ground, That looked like El Dorado.
And, as his strength, Failed him at length, He met a pilgrim shadow -
'Shadow,' said he, 'Where can it be - This land of El Dorado?'
'Over the Mountains Of the Moon, Down the Valley of the Shadow,
Ride, boldly ride,' The shade replied, - 'If you seek for El Dorado!'
-THE END-
By
Edgar Allan Poe
1845
Gaily bedight, A gallant knight, In sunshine and in shadow,
Had journeyed long, Singing a song, In search of El Dorado.
But he grew old - This knight so bold - And o'er his heart a shadow
Fell as he found, No spot of ground, That looked like El Dorado.
And, as his strength, Failed him at length, He met a pilgrim shadow -
'Shadow,' said he, 'Where can it be - This land of El Dorado?'
'Over the Mountains Of the Moon, Down the Valley of the Shadow,
Ride, boldly ride,' The shade replied, - 'If you seek for El Dorado!'
-THE END-
Post by: mustanger98 on December 27, 2006, 02:14:55 PM
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance is the best western ever made. Its only competition is The Searchers.
Winchester '73 is exceptionally good.
True Grit and the Shootist are great fun.
Pale Rider is an under appreciated classic.
Blazing Saddles is hysterical.
I really like Breakheart Pass, too, but it doesn't get very good reviews.
Winchester '73 is exceptionally good.
True Grit and the Shootist are great fun.
Pale Rider is an under appreciated classic.
Blazing Saddles is hysterical.
I really like Breakheart Pass, too, but it doesn't get very good reviews.
"Winchester '73" I really like. It and "The Far Country" are two of my favorite Jimmy Stewart westerns. Speaking of "The Far Country", Mr. Stewart owned the horse he rode... he rode him in seven westerns and kept him 20+ years until the horse's death.
"True Grit" I've already comment on except to say the movie was funnier than the novel due to the interaction between John Wayne, Glen Campbell, and Kim Darby. I think they really brought their characters to life.
"The Shootist"... you know, that's the last movie John Wayne ever made. He knew he was dying when they filmed it. Some of his historians said that movie was really his way of expressing what he was feeling at the time. That cancer's hell.
"Pale Rider"... I always tune in late, but I like what I see of it well enough I wish I could see it from the beginning so I know what brought the preacher to that settlement.
Post by: Sindawe on December 27, 2006, 03:36:10 PM
For TV shows, Rawhide gets top billing in my home.
Post by: Ben on December 27, 2006, 05:47:05 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 27, 2006, 05:58:17 PM
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Back to the Future, Pt III is 3rd.
What is proper punishment for such blasphemous utterance? The mind boggles.
Post by: mustanger98 on December 27, 2006, 06:17:31 PM
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Back to the Future, Pt III is 3rd.
What is proper punishment for such blasphemous utterance? The mind boggles. I thought BttF3 was a pretty good funny "what if" kind of deal. But then I sorta also compare it with "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" because of the "Steampunk" genre and so many references to Jules Verne. But to list BttF3 among classic westerns, I don't think so.
Post by: Sindawe on December 27, 2006, 06:49:14 PM
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What is proper punishment for such blasphemous utterance? The mind boggles.
A snarl, a sneer, a whip that stings. These are a few of my favorite things.
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But to list BttF3 among classic westerns, I don't think so.
Well, the question was "What is your favorite western?", not "What is your favorite CLASSIC western?" If we must exclude the western offshoots, replace BttF3 with Two Mules for Sister Sarah.
Post by: wmenorr67 on December 27, 2006, 09:32:59 PM
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Post by: Silver Bullet on December 27, 2006, 09:53:20 PM
Post by: Cosmoline on December 27, 2006, 09:57:54 PM
Not my favorite (Unforgiven has that tied up) but a fun one is Paint Your Wagon(I think that's the title). It's a musical. What makes it memorable (and painful) is that both Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood have singing parts!
Now see, THIS is a high crime. And I deny ever singing "Hand me down that can of beans" in the shower.
Post by: S_O_Laban on December 27, 2006, 10:56:13 PM
Another good one I like is "A Fistful of Dollars."
I too, am a big fan of the "spaghetti westerns," but much prefer "For a Few Dollars More" and (one I haven't seen mentioned yet) "Shalako" with Brigitte Bardot and Sean Connery.
I Think the musical scores and the rather raw directing are what I like about them.
I like The Duke also, and consider "Stagecoach", "The Searchers" and "Rio Bravo" among my favotites.
"Treasure of the Sierra Madre" is definetely a classic.
When it comes down to old fashioned revenge..... "High Plains Drifter" is right at the top.
Actually "Mavrick" was kinda fun to watch, and speaking of fun, my wife and I love Bob Hope's Paleface movies. More slapstick comedy than western.
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 28, 2006, 03:05:01 AM
Another good one I like is "A Fistful of Dollars."
I too, am a big fan of the "spaghetti westerns," but much prefer "For a Few Dollars More"
No, I agree with you, SO. FFDM is better. If this weren't the Westerns thread, though, I would also recommend Yojimbo.
Post by: mustanger98 on December 28, 2006, 12:46:34 PM
Not my favorite (Unforgiven has that tied up) but a fun one is Paint Your Wagon(I think that's the title). It's a musical. What makes it memorable (and painful) is that both Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood have singing parts!
I recall somebody said that's the most violent movie Clint Eastwood ever made. They said when Clint sings, that's violence. IIRC, that was at a B-day roast they did right after Clint had filmed the one where he played Gunny Hiway... also IIRC, I think it was Don Rickles that got up there and asked him if he got a haircut from Stevie Wonder.
Post by: Waitone on December 28, 2006, 04:26:29 PM
Post by: mustanger98 on December 28, 2006, 06:29:45 PM
My sister and I both... we liked Clint Eastwood's "Rowdy Yates" character a whole lot better than some of his later stuff.
Gil Favor... I recall the episode where his two daughters joined them on the drive. They told some about him having a family... that was the first time I ever heard about that. As for him being a dandy, I wouldn't have thought of it. Seemed to me he was a little too cool in the way he handled some of the situations.
Eric Fleming... he was 41 when he died.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0281661/
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He filmed "The Glass Bottom Boat" in 1965 and contracted with MGM-TV to film the two-part adventure series "High Jungle" in Peru. During the shooting of location shots on the Huallaga River on September 28, 1966, Fleming dove from a dug-out canoe after paddling it beyond the rapids. His body was lost in the turbulent water and was not recovered until three days later.
Post by: Perd Hapley on December 29, 2006, 04:32:26 AM
Not my favorite (Unforgiven has that tied up) but a fun one is Paint Your Wagon(I think that's the title).
I tried watching that once, but I couldn't get past the, uh, full-figured lady who was hoping to be raped.
Post by: Silver Bullet on December 29, 2006, 08:55:33 AM
High Chaparral
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Post by: Ben on December 29, 2006, 11:18:44 AM
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starring Robert Duvall
I was never a big fan of Duvall, until the Westerns he's done these past few years. Broken Trail, Open Range -- he's the consummate knowing, older cowboy.
Post by: Silver Bullet on December 30, 2006, 08:28:49 PM
I just rewatched Unforgiven, which I forgot to mention. Holy Ba-log-na, that movie pegs the needle in Grittiness.
Post by: gunsmith on December 31, 2006, 01:44:37 AM
The good guy is about to rape the heroine but stops when he realizes
theres a guy that needs killing.
The Evil railroad owner tells the bad guy "I told you to scare them"
he replies "People scare better when they're dead"
I've seen some great Italian westerns, really grim and violent.
One memorable one has a Raquel Welch look alike
& in one scene the blows open her poncho...no undies!
If any a you kin recall the name of that one I sure would preciate it..yup!
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance is one of my fave's too
Post by: grislyatoms on December 31, 2006, 04:43:30 AM
My favorite part was probably when the snake oil salesman came to town. Festus tells the snake oil dealer "You can't go sellin' that around here until we're sure it's fit for public conniption."
Movies?
I really liked "The Outlaw Josey Wales" and "Two mules for Sister Sara". "Unforgiven" gets an honorable mention.
I also have to confess to enjoying "The Life and Times of Grizzly Adams". Can't imagine why.
Another little Festus tidbit, from IMDB:
Dr. Galen 'Doc' Adams: [Festus offers to buy Doc a beer with a silver dollar that he earned from shoeing horses in episode "Whelan's Men".] Why don't you take that money and invest it in something? Why don't you do that?
Festus Haggen: Invest it in what?
Dr. Galen 'Doc' Adams: There's wonderful land values outside of Dodge. Now why don't you go out there someplace, look around, and buy yourself a lot?
Festus Haggen: A lot of what?
Dr. Galen 'Doc' Adams: A lot! A lot of land!
Festus Haggen: Well fiddle, I can't afford to buy a lot of land. You probably could the way you've been a bilking and gouging...
Dr. Galen 'Doc' Adams: Oh, hush up! I'm trying to help you, for heaven sakes. It don't cost a whole lot to buy a little lot.
Festus Haggen: What do you mean it don't cost a whole lot to buy a little, or a whole lot to buy a lot, what do you mean?
Dr. Galen 'Doc' Adams: Well, I mean,... a little lot of land!
Festus Haggen: But there ain't no such a thing. A little's a little, and a lot's a lot, there ain't no little lot, or lot of little, don't you see? Now you want that beer or don't you?
Dr. Galen 'Doc' Adams: No I'm... I'm all worn out.
Festus Haggen: [and as Doc walks away Festus Hollers] If you change your mind me and Newly will be over at the Longbranch having a whole lot of little beers.
[Chuckles and flips his silver dollar]
Festus Haggen: Now I'm buying.
Post by: RocketMan on January 01, 2007, 12:59:10 PM
How about "The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean" with Paul Newman. A funny movie, that one.
Post by: Silver Bullet on January 01, 2007, 01:15:49 PM
In most movies, only one actor is talking at one time. Not as bad as stage theater, where one actor is talking center stage and the other actors are all looking at him. In McCabe, though, in many scenes the actors on the sidelines are all having their own conversations; very lifelike.
Post by: Angel Eyes on January 01, 2007, 05:08:57 PM
I've seen some great Italian westerns, really grim and violent.
One memorable one has a Raquel Welch look alike
& in one scene the blows open her poncho...no undies!
If any a you kin recall the name of that one I sure would preciate it..yup!
One memorable one has a Raquel Welch look alike
& in one scene the blows open her poncho...no undies!
If any a you kin recall the name of that one I sure would preciate it..yup!
Are you sure it wasn't Hannie Caulder? That was Raquel Welch, poncho and all.
-Jack
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Post by: Maser on February 10, 2007, 03:41:12 PM
Favorite show is Gunsmoke.
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Post by: griz on February 11, 2007, 03:45:13 AM
One exchange:
Hero to what is presented as a Villian at first: "You shot him in the back!?!"
Villian, "His back was to me".
Post by: Laurent du Var on February 11, 2007, 04:49:48 AM
"My name is nobody"
Terence Hill and Bud Spencer, anybody ?
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Post by: 280plus on February 12, 2007, 03:31:09 PM
The Duke: "Did ya hit him?"
Mississippi: "I hit the sign and the sign hit him. He was limping when he left."
Post by: Frontier509 on February 13, 2007, 04:13:16 AM
"We're all travelers in this world
from the sweet grass to the packing house
from birth to death
we travel between the eternities"--
--Print Ritter
2. Unforgiven
"We all have it coming kid"
--William Muney
Post by: Wasz on February 13, 2007, 04:31:11 AM
Outlaw Josey Wales was very good, as was Unforgiven. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance was very good too. Of late I find myself looking to some of the older John Wayne and John Ford westerns. Im also very fond of Clint's work, but The Searchers is just the best.
I once read that when High Plains Drifter came out The Duke was interviewed on the way into the theater. He commented that it was great to see more westerns, that he had heard this new kid was good and maybe they should work together. When leaving after the movie Wayne said that that was not the kind of movie Americans wanted to see and that it was a travisty. I never reasearched if it was true or not, but it always sounded like a neat story to me.
Post by: StopTheGrays on February 13, 2007, 08:59:29 AM
Was it Rio Bravo where James Caan played "Mississippi" and shot a sign with his sawed of SG and then the sign hits the bad guy?
The Duke: "Did ya hit him?"
Mississippi: "I hit the sign and the sign hit him. He was limping when he left."
El dorado. Anyone know what kind of rifle Bull was using?The Duke: "Did ya hit him?"
Mississippi: "I hit the sign and the sign hit him. He was limping when he left."
I like the Searchers because John Wayne was such an a-hole in it. While the Man who shot Liberty Valence is good, it is also depressing at the end. One movie I seem to like is The fastest gun alive with Glenn Ford...lots of drama.
Another movie I like but have not seen mentioned yet is Little Big Man. It stared Dustin Hoffman, I cannot explain the whole movie but it follows a white mans life as he is adopted by indians, freed by whites, and is captured by indians again. During that time he meets both Wild Bill and Gen Custer.
Post by: 280plus on February 13, 2007, 11:21:09 AM
Post by: Brad Johnson on February 13, 2007, 11:33:49 AM
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Mississippi: "I hit the sign and the sign hit him. He was limping when he left."
Duke: "He was limping when he got here!"
"Eldorado" - John Wayne, James Caan, and Robert Mitchum
"Rio Lobo" - John Wayne and Jorge Rivero (Jack Elam as the plucky comedy relief)
"Rio Bravo" - John Wayne and Dean Martin (Ricky Nelson as 'Colorado' and Walter Brennan as the grouchy deputy 'Stumpy')
Trivia Question - Which other John Wayne movie co-starred a hearthrob singer, and who was it?
Brad
Post by: mustanger98 on February 13, 2007, 01:07:43 PM
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El dorado. Anyone know what kind of rifle Bull was using?
IIRC, it was an old Colt's revolving rifle. I disremember the model #'s on those. I think Bull's was percussion cap&ball though. I don't recall any of those into the cartridge era. (However, as a side note, I recall post-War-of-Northern-Aggression, Winchester and Marlin made 4-shot revolving shotguns.)
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Duke: "He was limping when he got here!"
That was right before they trailed the wounded man into the saloon and Robert Mitchum shot the strings out of the piano.
Robert Mitchum: "He sure is playing a lot of sour notes tonight" or to that effect.
Arthur Honeycutt: "Yeah, and you shootin' them strings out didn't help it none."
Post by: gunsmith on February 13, 2007, 02:18:06 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Upon_a_Time_in_the_West
Henry Fonda as bad guy(Frank), the evil railroad guy hires Frank to scare a family off their land.
Frank kills them all, including the kids.
Morton (the evil railroad guy )
says "I told you to scare them, not kill them!"
Frank "people scare better when they're dead"
Another memorable quote was "you remind me of my mother, she was a whore too"
Of course Liberty Valence is great too, I love that bar room scene where Lee Van Cleef is calling for a doctor for liberty and a guy says I'm a doctor!
get me some whiskey...he takes a swig and says "he's dead"...
classic!
Post by: kudu on February 13, 2007, 02:46:08 PM
Post by: StopTheGrays on February 14, 2007, 07:46:34 AM
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Mississippi: "I hit the sign and the sign hit him. He was limping when he left."
Trivia Question - Which other John Wayne movie co-starred a hearthrob singer, and who was it?
Brad
Post by: Brad Johnson on February 14, 2007, 09:32:10 AM
Brad
Post by: Gewehr98 on February 15, 2007, 03:13:06 PM
The Villain
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El dorado. Anyone know what kind of rifle Bull was using?
Colt-Root revolving rifle, probably the original .54 caliber. They were considered bad news by those who carried and used them in the War of Southern Treason.
The shooter was advised not to have his support hand forward of the cylinder/barrel gap. Berdan's Sharpshooters were issued the guns, and were less than enamored of them:
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Newspapers gleefully reported shooters setting their sleeves on fire and there were reports that you could tell how long a Sharpshooter had been in service by counting his remaining digits. The Roots became known as "Colonel Colt's Revolving Wheel of Misfortune."
Post by: RocketMan on February 15, 2007, 07:16:32 PM
Was it Rio Bravo where James Caan played "Mississippi" and shot a sign with his sawed of SG and then the sign hits the bad guy?
The Duke: "Did ya hit him?"
Mississippi: "I hit the sign and the sign hit him. He was limping when he left."
The Duke: "Did ya hit him?"
Mississippi: "I hit the sign and the sign hit him. He was limping when he left."
"He was limping when he got here!"
El Dorado.
I like both El Dorado and Rio Bravo. Basically the same story, but both are good. Rio Bravo has Dean Martin, Ricky Nelson and Walter Brennan playing the good guys alongside John Wayne. It's also the movie debut of very young 22 year old Angie Dickinson.
Rio Lobo is also kind of fun. Always liked the late Jack Elam in comedic roles.
All three were Howard Hawks films.
Post by: mustanger98 on February 15, 2007, 07:28:58 PM
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El dorado. Anyone know what kind of rifle Bull was using?
Colt-Root revolving rifle, probably the original .54 caliber. They were considered bad news by those who carried and used them in the War of Southern Treason.
The shooter was advised not to have his support hand forward of the cylinder/barrel gap. Berdan's Sharpshooters were issued the guns, and were less than enamored of them:
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Newspapers gleefully reported shooters setting their sleeves on fire and there were reports that you could tell how long a Sharpshooter had been in service by counting his remaining digits. The Roots became known as "Colonel Colt's Revolving Wheel of Misfortune."
First off, this thread we're discussing classic westerns; not your ridiculous little anti-Southern opinion.
Second, and more important to the discussion at hand with regard to this rifle, it kinda makes me wonder why Bull had one. I recall one of his lines had to do with having rode with Gen. Hood's Texas Cavalry.
Another thing to note about revolving rifles... I've heard of at least one CMSA competitor who shoots one of those .45Colt revolving carbines built on a slightly modified Peacemaker frame. They have to wear either the fancy leather cuffs that guard the forearms, or the full gauntlets, as either are period correct and will keep the burning powder away.
Post by: Gewehr98 on February 16, 2007, 07:40:44 AM
I originally posted "Civil War" but had to do something to offset your smarmy little bit, once I noticed the subtle insertion thereof:
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(However, as a side note, I recall post-War-of-Northern-Aggression, Winchester and Marlin made 4-shot revolving shotguns.)
It's all fair play, right? Since we're discussing classic westerns; not your ridiculous little anti-Northern opinion. Or is it one of those things where you can dish it out but can't take it? There's an apt description for folks like that...
The Colt-Root revolving carbines were not a success.
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The vast majority of Berdan Sharp Shooters hated the Colts. They were busy picking lead out from each other's faces as well as wrists and arms. It's the same spitting promblem that modern revolvers face today. Additionally, there were chain fires and one Berdan Sharp Shooter lost some digits because of it. They were happy to exchange them for breech-loading Sharps.
It's not just the burning powder flash, it's the lead shavings moving at high velocity, and even more impressive, the chainfires. The spitting is also not limited to cap & ball revolving carbines. I wear full-length sleeves with a certain one-off .44 Magnum revolving carbine when I take it to the range.
Post by: mustanger98 on February 16, 2007, 10:20:57 AM
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I originally posted "Civil War" but had to do something to offset your smarmy little bit, once I noticed the subtle insertion thereof:
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(However, as a side note, I recall post-War-of-Northern-Aggression, Winchester and Marlin made 4-shot revolving shotguns.)
It's all fair play, right? Since we're discussing classic westerns; not your ridiculous little anti-Northern opinion. Or is it one of those things where you can dish it out but can't take it? There's an apt description for folks like that...
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(However, as a side note, I recall post-War-of-Northern-Aggression, Winchester and Marlin made 4-shot revolving shotguns.)
It's all fair play, right? Since we're discussing classic westerns; not your ridiculous little anti-Northern opinion. Or is it one of those things where you can dish it out but can't take it? There's an apt description for folks like that...
So do you think the American Revolution of 1775-81 was a "War of American Treason"? Because that was the English gov't's position at the time, that American revolutionaries were traitors. I call it the War of Northern Aggression partly because, as with most wars, there wasn't anything civil about it. The other part is because it seems to me "Southern Treason" type comments need offsetting. Smarmy? No; matter of fact this is what I think of it. So any time any of us remotely gets on this subject, it's your "glass house" situation. I grew up knowing a lot of people hated the South, so it's not something new I can't take. BTW, my first girlfriend was a yankee and hated living in the South regardless of what I thought.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 16, 2007, 11:13:46 AM
ROFL
Post by: roo_ster on February 16, 2007, 11:36:37 AM
Post by: mustanger98 on February 16, 2007, 12:19:14 PM
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the daily chain-yanker from Gewehr98 or El Tejon.
Is it that often? I must miss a lot of it. But ya'll know Murphy's Law of Combat... tracers work both ways and if the enemy is within range, so are you.
Post by: Gewehr98 on February 16, 2007, 02:28:20 PM
"Lighten up, Francis".
I just retired from a 20+ year military career, 10 years of which were spent in the Deepest South. This particular Yankee can lay it on so thick you'd swear by Robert E. Lee himself that I was a Right Honorable Son of the Confederacy. But I'm under no delusions that J.E.B. Stuart will arise magically from the grave and right the wrongs of William Tecumseh "Van Halen Ultimate Road Trip Weekend in Atlanta" Sherman. China will win a hostile economic takeover of the U.S. well before that ever happens. Hell, even that fine Southern institution known as the KKK would get tax-exempt status first.
If you're going to inject bull$hit one-liners about the "War of Northern Aggression", then be a big boy and take your lumps when I or anybody else throws it back in your face, ok? Or did you not think you'd get called on it on a forum comprised of (surprise!) people from all over the place? BTW, you can drop the faux angst bit, too. You're simply pissed because I caught you with foot-in-mouth disease on a public forum, and then managed to get your goat, too.
Let me guess, you were the one at the ball game yelling at me when I didn't stand up for the playing of "Dixie" all those years ago...
As for why Bull would have a Colt-Root revolving rifle in that jailhouse, probably because it was discarded when the Union soldier who owned it got an armful of lead and powder burns. Of course, it's a Hollywood movie, so who really knows?
Post by: mustanger98 on February 16, 2007, 03:35:38 PM
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I just retired from a 20+ year military career, 10 years of which were spent in the Deepest South.
I have a 2nd cousin who went 25years in the Marine Corps and retired as a Gunnery Sargeant. I'm in the habit of thanking the vets for being there for us regardless of where they're from. I would hope you'd have enjoyed your stay down here.
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This particular Yankee can lay it on so thick you'd swear by Robert E. Lee himself that I was a Right Honorable Son of the Confederacy. But I'm under no delusions that J.E.B. Stuart will arise magically from the grave and right the wrongs of William Tecumseh "Van Halen Ultimate Road Trip Weekend in Atlanta" Sherman.
Most Southerners I know aren't under those delusions either. The KKK may be, the way they think all the answer are pre-War. As to Sherman, history has shown his true colors and his lack of character has been expounded upon by at least one Liberal college professor I studied with.
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China will win a hostile economic takeover of the U.S. well before that ever happens. Hell, even that fine Southern institution known as the KKK would get tax-exempt status first.
China maybe. They seem well on their way. KKK? I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
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If you're going to inject bull$hit one-liners about the "War of Northern Aggression", then be a big boy and take your lumps when I or anybody else throws it back in your face, ok? Or did you not think you'd get called on it on a forum comprised of (surprise!) people from all over the place? BTW, you can drop the faux angst bit, too. You're simply pissed because I caught you with foot-in-mouth disease on a public forum, and then managed to get your goat, too.
You know, I'm on other boards comprised of "people from all over the place" who beleive one version or the other of that war. One in particular, I've been posting with those folks for several years and we all get along a hell of a lot better than your abrasive attitude allows for. Foot-in-mouth disease? Get real. This subject of the truth of the war has been hashed and re-hashed and no matter how many times, there will be a split along the lines of who's read what. Neither of us is about to believe what the other is saying on this subject. Looks to me more like I got your goat.
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Let me guess, you were the one at the ball game yelling at me when I didn't stand up for the playing of "Dixie" all those years ago...
You never did attend Ol' Miss games, did you? No wonder you didn't stand up for it. They're about the only school that played "Dixie". But neither did I because I didn't attend those games either.
Post by: denfoote1 on February 16, 2007, 07:54:09 PM
Movies: True Grit, Rooster Cogburn and the Lady, She wore a yellow ribbon.