Author Topic: US Senate voting on healthcare at 1am on a Monday morning (Read 8293 times)

stuckonpolitics · « **on:** December 21, 2009, 12:52:16 AM »

I'm sitting up watching CSPAN for this, with a vote upcoming in 10 minutes. Anyone else watching the treason unfold?

RevDisk · « **Reply #1 on:** December 21, 2009, 01:07:29 AM »

Quote from: stuckonpolitics on December 21, 2009, 12:52:16 AM

I'm sitting up watching CSPAN for this, with a vote upcoming in 10 minutes. Anyone else watching the treason unfold?

Why in the name of the Gods would they be voting at 1am?

stuckonpolitics · « **Reply #2 on:** December 21, 2009, 01:09:34 AM »

Quote from: RevDisk on December 21, 2009, 01:07:29 AM

Why in the name of the Gods would they be voting at 1am?

Because you perform noble deeds during the day, but when you do something that you know is wrong, you tend to do it under cover of darkness.

The procedural answer is that the Democrats have power, and the majority leader sets the schedule for these things.

Boomhauer · « **Reply #3 on:** December 21, 2009, 01:11:24 AM »

Quote from: RevDisk on December 21, 2009, 01:07:29 AM

Why in the name of the Gods would they be voting at 1am?

Same reason they vote on anything controversial at ungodly hours...they think it's a measure to help conceal it (but it doesn't work as well in today's world). Still, very few are paying attention to politics at this hour.

No, I am not watching it because I didn't know it was happening at this time. I'm sure I'll hear the balance in a while, but I will soon be going to bed shortly.

I just love that this will very likely cause our family business that has existed for over 40 years to fold...

stuckonpolitics · « **Reply #4 on:** December 21, 2009, 01:16:04 AM »

No surprises so far, I'll post final results shortly. They're on Specter.

stuckonpolitics · « **Reply #5 on:** December 21, 2009, 01:18:39 AM »

Motion carried, 60/40. Straight down party lines.

Boomhauer · « **Reply #6 on:** December 21, 2009, 01:21:15 AM »

Crap.

OK, so where do we currently stand with the healthcare bill? I've been really confused lately with all of what's going on, changes, etc. Just a very general, basic rundown of what the bill stands as now and how far along it is in it's legislative track...i.e, how close is it to actually being signed by Obama?

stuckonpolitics · « **Reply #7 on:** December 21, 2009, 01:32:37 AM »

The Senate just voted for cloture, which in essence kills debate for the bill. They are rumoured to vote on it in its final form on Christmas Eve.

Since the bill has already been through the House, a final vote in the Senate means it is on the President's desk. If it was amended in the Senate (it was, a 300-page amendment was added hours before the cloture vote, and hasn't even been shared with the Republicans yet), it goes through a conference committee first to reconcile the different versions, and both houses must approve their changes.

After that, Obama will sign the bill, we pay taxes for four years, and it goes into effect in 2013.

longeyes · « **Reply #8 on:** December 21, 2009, 01:35:58 AM »

What they voted on, whether they knew it or not, was on the legitimacy of the American political process.

That's how it looks from here. If they want to ignore representative governance, they will have only themselves to blame for the ultimate repercussions. The whole world is watching.

stuckonpolitics · « **Reply #9 on:** December 21, 2009, 01:41:06 AM »

Quote from: longeyes on December 21, 2009, 01:35:58 AM

What they voted on, whether they knew it or not, was on the legitimacy of the American political process.

That's how it looks from here. If they want to ignore representative governance, they will have only themselves to blame for the ultimate repercussions. The whole world is watching.

I don't know that we can save it at this point. I really try to be upbeat about it, but I just don't see how it can be turned around.

We'll see. The Democrats should be scared, as there are quite a few that won't be re-elected in 2010. The Republicans are starting to recognize the Tea Party movement for what it is, and are moving to the right in response.

I really think the best solution to this is to elect small-government Republicans in 2010 and 2012, then split the party and form a true libertarian caucus. It will hurt for a while, which is why derailing as much of the socialist nonsense they're trying now is essential, and why splitting the Republican party too soon could be fatal to our nation.

longeyes · « **Reply #10 on:** December 21, 2009, 01:46:24 AM »

You're more optimistic than I am. You're still talking in terms of the political process as we've known it. They will do what they need to control, whether it's legit or not, whether they have to change the rules or not, whether they have to ignore the American people or not.

What is left is the response to all that, how much fight is left in the people who still care about liberty.

lupinus · « **Reply #11 on:** December 21, 2009, 05:38:01 AM »

Our only hope now is that we elect smartly in 2010 and 2012 and it gets repealed. If the repubs are smart enough to move right as they seem to be gradually doing this is a possibility. While it's hard to get things repealed something as unpopular as this beast may just have a chance. Especially with the huge blunder the dems made. No one goes on the government teat for four years with this one. Entitlement is so hard to repeal because you then have to wrestle the babes from the teat. Here, there is only the future promise of a teat. So it just may be doable provided it is done quickly and early on before scores of people come to rely on it such as SS, medicare, etc. Four years for people to pay taxes, get pissed off as they learn more of whats to come, etc. Repeal with the right congress is an actual possibility.

The other chance is the courts. The sweat heart deal Nebraska got, should it get to the final bill, for instance could be drug through the mud of the court. As could other parts I wager, such as a mandate to buy health insurance. All depends what actually makes it to the final bill and what does not.

Waitone · « **Reply #12 on:** December 21, 2009, 08:36:38 AM »

House bill and senate bill are two different animals. Once the senate bill of passed it goes to a joint committee where house and senate leaders sit down and come up with one bill suitable to both. This thing ain't a done deal because the differences in the two houses is really big. It also gives us a chance to raise hell with both house and senate.

Am I being pollyanish? Nah, just realistic. Obama must have healthcare legislation with his name on it so something will pass both houses. How predatory remains to be seen.

Standing Wolf · « **Reply #13 on:** December 21, 2009, 10:16:51 AM »

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They will do what they need to control, whether it's legit or not, whether they have to change the rules or not, whether they have to ignore the American people or not.

The leftist extremists have been doing that a long, long time. It would have been considerably easier to stop them at the outset than this late in the game—if there are enough Americans left even to try.

No bets. Sorry.

Tallpine · « **Reply #14 on:** December 21, 2009, 10:54:18 AM »

Rather ironic that the government will threaten me with great bodily harm for the crime of not buying "health insurance"

AZRedhawk44 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 21, 2009, 12:20:36 PM »

Well, this should remove Harry Reid from office in 2010.

longeyes · « **Reply #16 on:** December 21, 2009, 06:06:21 PM »

Nothing good happens after midnight in Congress...

Reid has loftier things in mind than Senate re-election: sainthood and a permanent position on the DeathStar High Council.

I'd like to hear from some of our legal minds here about the constitutionality of All This...

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #17 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:13:37 PM »

Quote from: stuckonpolitics on December 21, 2009, 01:18:39 AM

Straight down party lines.

Good.

Gowen · « **Reply #18 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:15:39 PM »

Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on December 21, 2009, 12:20:36 PM

Well, this should remove Harry Reid from office in 2010.

As a Nevada resident, I am so hoping!

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #19 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:19:00 PM »

As a person with functioning ears, I am also hoping! Pure evil never sounded so calm and reasonable. His voice makes me want to murder kittens by bludgeoning them with a baby seal.

Standing Wolf · « **Reply #20 on:** December 21, 2009, 07:28:08 PM »

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Well, this should remove Harry Reid from office in 2010.

He'll get a well paid federal judgeship out of the deal.

Monkeyleg · « **Reply #21 on:** December 21, 2009, 11:20:48 PM »

Every last one of them should be tried for violating their oaths of office, and maybe treason as well.

charby · « **Reply #22 on:** December 21, 2009, 11:29:27 PM »

Quote from: longeyes on December 21, 2009, 06:06:21 PM

Nothing good happens after midnight in Congress...

Reid has loftier things in mind than Senate re-election: sainthood and a permanent position on the DeathStar High Council.

I'd like to hear from some of our legal minds here about the constitutionality of All This...

Death Star, sainthood or early morning voting?

AZRedhawk44 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 22, 2009, 12:37:45 AM »

Grand Moff Reid.

Yep.

Owens · « **Reply #24 on:** December 22, 2009, 08:15:28 AM »

1am ...Hmmmm.

I think the comedian Jerry Clower said it best: "If youd just as soon not have folks see what it is yore fixin to do, ya better watch out. Yore a fixin to mess up."

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