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Re: My children's future
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2011, 03:34:11 AM »
How do you intend to do that?
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« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2011, 10:31:34 AM »
^^^ If a massive economic collapse in the US occurs, such that emigration is a preferred approach, I wonder how many countries will be willing to accept US emigrants.  My thought is that if the US collapses, much of the rest of the world will go with it, and how open will the borders be?

One of the many reasons I am glad I maintain dual citizenship...

But I really need to renew my passport. 
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Re: My children's future
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2011, 10:38:48 AM »
One of the many reasons I am glad I maintain dual citizenship...

But I really need to renew my passport. 

That's interesting, dual with what nation?

Also:

Skillful use of contraceptives?  :P

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Re: My children's future
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2011, 10:41:54 AM »
No one ever said North America was the last stop on the Liberty Train.   Emigration is always the final option.
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Re: My children's future
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2011, 10:52:53 AM »
We need a new planet.  =(
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« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2011, 10:54:21 AM »
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« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2011, 11:44:19 AM »
We need a new planet.  =(

I've lately been curious about the lack of a frontier in modern times. Somewhere for people to go and build their new society (or escape society). The Americas first and, more recently, the west (of the US) provided this. We don't really have a frontier any more.
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Re: My children's future
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2011, 11:55:16 AM »
I've lately been curious about the lack of a frontier in modern times. Somewhere for people to go and build their new society (or escape society). The Americas first and, more recently, the west (of the US) provided this. We don't really have a frontier any more.
I've thought about this too. Really isn't anywhere left to go on this planet.
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Re: My children's future
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2011, 02:12:54 PM »
I've lately been curious about the lack of a frontier in modern times. Somewhere for people to go and build their new society (or escape society). The Americas first and, more recently, the west (of the US) provided this. We don't really have a frontier any more.

Any frontier would be dangerous as hell. I doubt you'd take your children there.
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« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2011, 02:50:08 PM »
Any frontier would be dangerous as hell. I doubt you'd take your children there.

Oh my yes. I didn't say I wanted to go to a frontier. I said I've been musing about the lack of one.
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Re: My children's future
« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2011, 03:02:44 PM »
Oh my yes. I didn't say I wanted to go to a frontier. I said I've been musing about the lack of one.

I've had a few clients I'd have liked to suggest a move out to the frontier for... but alas, the army seems to be the best bet for a new start at life for most.
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« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2011, 03:41:53 PM »
Any frontier would be dangerous as hell. I doubt you'd take your children there.

You believe all those stories about Reavers ?   =|
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« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2011, 03:47:01 PM »
Any frontier would be dangerous as hell. I doubt you'd take your children there.
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« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2011, 03:49:37 PM »
Lots and lots of empty land for the taking in Greenland.  What is Denmark going to do about it?  Use harsh language?
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« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2011, 05:31:39 PM »
You believe all those stories about Reavers ?   =|

Consider the few frontier-versions we have available to us:

Seasteading, Somalia, and outer space.

THey're all dangerous as hell, that's why they're frontiers.
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« Reply #40 on: November 18, 2011, 05:42:20 PM »
Consider the few frontier-versions we have available to us:

Seasteading, Somalia, and outer space.

THey're all dangerous as hell, that's why they're frontiers.

Seastedding and outer space are also 'spensive as all get-out.  And still require goobermint permits.

Try launching an ICBM-class rocket capable of taking your 21st century version of a space covered wagon and see how many NATO countries launch interceptor warheads.

Or building "Rapture" on the sea bed without clearing the area of submarine mines, sonar equipment, fiber optic runs and whatnot.

And Somalia... sucks. :laugh:  That's like deliberately crossing the ocean in the 16th century and setting up a small colony just down-river from the Aztecs.  Or settling on Miranda.

No parallel at all to the Oregon Trail and the expanses of unsettled land from Arizona to Alaska where a fellow could settle down and have no law but what he established with his neighbors.  Private contractual law to rule regular life, like was intended for our country.
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Re: My children's future
« Reply #41 on: November 18, 2011, 05:46:47 PM »
And Somalia... sucks. :laugh:  That's like deliberately crossing the ocean in the 16th century and setting up a small colony just down-river from the Aztecs.  Or settling on Miranda.

No parallel at all to the Oregon Trail and the expanses of unsettled land from Arizona to Alaska where a fellow could settle down and have no law but what he established with his neighbors.  Private contractual law to rule regular life, like was intended for our country.

And look how many people died doing that.
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Re: My children's future
« Reply #42 on: November 18, 2011, 05:53:08 PM »
Don't forget speed dating.
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« Reply #43 on: November 18, 2011, 06:10:29 PM »
And look how many people died doing that.

The 1800s were a dangerous time.

Mortality rate was 100%  ;)
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« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2011, 06:23:34 PM »
That's interesting, dual with what nation?

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Re: My children's future
« Reply #45 on: November 21, 2011, 12:24:08 PM »
There's a new frontier: common sense (aka reality).
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« Reply #46 on: November 21, 2011, 08:24:58 PM »
Not so much New as Abandoned.  =(
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