NSA seizes/monitor all Verizon customers.

[Scout26]

And I'm one of them.

Apparently the Obama administration has a blanket order to Verizon that "requires Verizon on an 'ongoing, daily basis' to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the U.S. and between the U.S. and other countries."

I bet within the next few days we'll find out that Sprint, AT&T, et al also have been ordered to produce all their records.  

I'd like to know who requested the order.  Holder?  


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/5/nsa-seizes-phone-records-verizon-customers/#ixzz2VRNu09ix

[Perd Hapley]

I bet within the next few days we'll find out that Sprint, AT&T, et al also have been order to produce all their records. 

No kidding. 


I am so shocked right now. Shocked, I tell you.

[AZRedhawk44]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

641A was just the first one exposed.  They're all over in datacenters and colocations around the country and world.  They splice fiber, duplicate the packet, allow it to go on its way, and log/sniff/analyze every byte of it, be it voice or data.  Narus makes the hardware for it.

http://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Narus



ETA:  This shyt doesn't get installed because the NSA says to do it, after the carrier is already in place and going peacefully about their business of facilitating communication.  It's MASSIVE infrastructure.  It gets installed because the data carriers engineer for it to be there, prior to installation.  Verizon, ATT, Sprint and others are 100% complicit in this.  They LIKE the traffic analysis they get out of spying on you.

[cosine]

I'm sure my calls were really interesting [/sarcasm]

Shocked I am not. 

[TechMan]

Color me surprised....not.  As AZ pointed out it has been going on for quite awhile.

[SADShooter]

I'm sure my calls were really interesting [/sarcasm]

Shocked I am not. 

I hope we're being monitored more effectively than diplomatic facilities overseas, media organizations, .gov agency spending, etc.

I'd like to believe somebody somewhere isn't monumentally corrupt and/or colossally incompetent.

[lupinus]

Is it still paranoia if they really are out to get you?

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[Perd Hapley]

Is there any cell service without such?

[roo_ster]

Our government seems to be waging a cold war on the citizenry.

[Perd Hapley]

Our government seems to be waging a cold war on the citizenry.

Fascinating.

[RevDisk]

I'm sure my calls were really interesting [/sarcasm]

Shocked I am not. 

Actually, they are. The contents, meh. The call itself... You get the endpoints, duration, location, and frequency. Useful, that.

Is there any cell service without such?

Qwest didn't, back in 2006. Then coincidentally, its President went to jail. Said gentleman says NSA was asking quite a while before 9/11. Also, carriers get paid to implement CALEA. You don't tell the NSA to piss off and expect to run a telco in the US. You'll never get another US government contract again. And if there is any dirt in your life, everyone that can use it will have it in short order. They're not people to mess with.

So, short answer, no, there isn't and won't be. They have no incentive to protect your privacy, and every reason to sell it to the US government.

[Kingcreek]

My new goal is to include target words in every benign phone call. When my wife calls from the market, ill remind her to pick up some jihad peppers.
In the last week some of us on illinoiscarry dot com got spam emails from randy weaver and David Koresh. My spam filter blocked them but now I wonder if they were bait from big bro gubmint?

[agricola]

Bet you every lawyer and cop who has had to get a warrant for that kind of data for investigations like murders, rapes, abductions and the rest over the last six years feels like a bit of a fool now.   

[Scout26]

Listen to this exchange.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sen.-mark-kirk-to-eric-holder-is-doj-spying-on-congress/article/2531286


I'll bet this will fire up some Congresscritters.

[AZRedhawk44]

I think the best way to dodge this kind of stuff is to augment the TCP carrier protocol.

TCP means transmission control protocol, and it arranges for sequencing and proper ordinal labeling of packets.  This means that as you talk into Skype and you say "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy fistful," that gets broken apart into thousands and thousands of TCP packets.  They are then routed using a bunch of other protocols, and the ultimate listening computer doesn't do anything with these packets unless they are received in the correct sequence.  If our fistful sentence above were to only consist of 9 packets (1 per word) rather than the thousands of packets it would actually consist of, it's listening for packet 1 and won't do anything with packet 2 until it first confirms that packet 1 arrived. 

In the event that, say, packet 3 is lost along the way due to a routing or switching fluke, the recipient computer says "hey, send me that again!" because it knows it was supposed to receive 9 packets but lost one, only getting 8 of them and missing #3.

It would be lovely if TCP were more latency tolerant to a few hundred milliseconds, and some enterprising TOR-loving person out there created a route-hopping or proxy-hopping VoIP app that sent your packets to their ultimate destination, but used constantly dynamically changing routes to get there.  That way, the Narus box in Los Angeles may get packets 1, 2 and 9 and think fistful is a great track star or something... and the Narus box in Chicago gets packets 3, 7 and 8 and can't make anything of it, and the Narus box in Virginia gets packets 4, 5 and 6 and also get gibberish from it.  But the end recipient still gets their correct message.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

gets worse
http://wapo.st/1888aNr

[Waitone]

Listen to this exchange.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sen.-mark-kirk-to-eric-holder-is-doj-spying-on-congress/article/2531286


I'll bet this will fire up some Congresscritters.

Old history.  It didn't stir up congress then so why think it will now.
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?civilliberties_surveillance=civilliberties_nsa_wiretapping&timeline=civilliberties

[Physics]

While disgusted, I'm not surprised. 

You can always buy a throwaway phone.  Stupid that ordinary citizens have to play drug dealer tricks to be safe from government surveillance, in the United States. 

[agricola]

gets worse
http://wapo.st/1888aNr

Thats outrageous, the number of pictures of Ariel Meredith that I look at on the internet should be a private thing.

[Gewehr98]

You folks think that's all the NSA monitors?

[AZRedhawk44]

Echelkn grabs all the air stuff too. But yeah... seems all we hear about them is to let rip a big old greasy dump on us in country.

[Tallpine]

You folks think that's all the NSA monitors?

I'm sure they're keeping track of who watches FAIL videos on YT.   

[Gewehr98]

Tallpine, what I was referring to is that the Verizon thing is just a drop in the bucket with respect to the NSA surveillance program as a whole.

IMHO, the Patriot Act gave them and other 3-letter agencies carte blanche to drill pretty much wherever they felt under the guise of fighting Terr'ism.

The folks inside the Beltway were my customers for HUMINT and MASINT, and I had to remind them of the Intelligence Oversight Act on several occasions.  It was almost as if they had brainstorming sessions exploring how far they could push the envelope each day. They're ALWAYS looking for a way to get juicy intel, and like a bad puppy, sometimes require a rolled up newspaper swat across the nose when they fouled the carpet.

I'll never forget when the Commander, USPACOM personally told me "Good Job" when I told the CIA to stuff it with regard to one of their hare-brained schemes. 

[Ben]

[Scout26]

"I'll only put the tip in."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-spying-programs-only-modest-invasion-privacy-170140961.html