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SECNAV Packs in Astan
« on: December 31, 2017, 01:42:19 PM »
I'm unfamiliar with in-theater rules on who gets to carry, but from the armchair, good on the SECNAV. As one of the commenters noted, if you CCW in the US, why wouldn't you want to carry (when allowed) in Afghanistan?

While I'm sure he was surrounded by security, I like the "common sense" optics of taking some responsibility for his own well-being, just as any of us do here when we CC. It's just a tool man - don't have a cow. :)

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/12/31/really-cnn-journo-gets-help-figuring-out-why-secretary-of-u-s-navy-carried-a-gun-in-afghanistan/
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2017, 05:12:31 PM »
The article should tell us if SECNAV gets the latest and greatest issue Sig, or does he get a clapped-out Beretta M-9?
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2017, 05:31:51 PM »
I'm not Gun Guy enough to tell by the grip. SAD!

But really shouldn't it be a Colt 1851?
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2017, 05:42:17 PM »
« Last Edit: December 31, 2017, 05:56:25 PM by 230RN »
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2017, 06:13:09 PM »
If I couldn't carry a gun in Afghanistan - I just wouldn't go. (I'm not in the military, so nobody can order me to go over there.)
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2017, 06:35:07 PM »
Quote from: HankB on December 31, 2017, 06:13:09 PM
If I couldn't carry a gun in Afghanistan - I just wouldn't go. (I'm not in the military, so nobody can order me to go over there.)

Sure I can.

GET YOUR ass OVER THERE.
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2017, 07:01:57 PM »
Quote from: Warren on December 31, 2017, 05:31:51 PM
I'm not Gun Guy enough to tell by the grip. SAD!

But really shouldn't it be a Colt 1851?

A percussion revolver....in Afghanistan....in 2017?    Really?  (Uberti or Pietta?). 
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2017, 07:08:53 PM »
I would hope the Navy still has some originals in inventory.
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2017, 07:24:57 PM »
Quote from: Warren on December 31, 2017, 07:08:53 PM
I would hope the Navy still has some originals in inventory.
The Navy didn't buy very many, really,  the army did.   It's "navy" caliber,  that is .36 caliber .   Army was .44 caliber.
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2017, 07:58:45 PM »
It's not a proper 1911 so who cares?
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2017, 08:04:37 PM »
Quote from: MillCreek on December 31, 2017, 05:12:31 PM
The article should tell us if SECNAV gets the latest and greatest issue Sig, or does he get a clapped-out Beretta M-9?

Beretta in a low-slung, cheap-ass Serpa thigh rig.  All show, but a no-go at this station.
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2017, 11:05:58 PM »
Quote from: TommyGunn on December 31, 2017, 07:24:57 PM
The Navy didn't buy very many, really,  the army did.   It's "navy" caliber,  that is .36 caliber .   Army was .44 caliber.

That was the model of 1860, not 1851.
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2017, 11:33:46 PM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on December 31, 2017, 11:05:58 PM
That was the model of 1860, not 1851.
Both, actually....the army bought more 1851s than the Navy did.
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2018, 07:31:56 PM »
Not sure what that is.
Definitely not...
1911
92fs
Or a sig.
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2018, 07:39:31 PM »
Quote from: never_retreat on January 01, 2018, 07:31:56 PM
Not sure what that is.
Definitely not...
1911
92fs
Or a sig.

It is a Beretta M9.  Click on the photo in the link and then embiggen it.  The Beretta 92fs/M9 has a distinctive curve to the frame.  You van also see the logo and screws for the stocks.
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2018, 09:07:38 PM »
Quote from: Fly320s on January 01, 2018, 07:39:31 PM
It is a Beretta M9.  Click on the photo in the link and then embiggen it.  The Beretta 92fs/M9 has a distinctive curve to the frame.  You van also see the logo and screws for the stocks.

Yep.

And if it was something they offered him in country,  the M9 would be what was in the armory.
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2018, 09:23:06 PM »
Quote from: TommyGunn on December 31, 2017, 11:33:46 PM
Both, actually....the army bought more 1851s than the Navy did.

The 1851 was not manufactured in .44 caliber.
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2018, 03:06:40 PM »
92FS. Opening the photo directly allows for a better view.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSKDX9KWkAAaJ5b.jpg

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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2018, 07:32:19 PM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on January 01, 2018, 09:23:06 PM
The 1851 was not manufactured in .44 caliber.



I never said it was.
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2018, 11:03:15 PM »
Follow the bouncing ball:

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I'm not Gun Guy enough to tell by the grip. SAD!

But really shouldn't it be a Colt 1851?

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I would hope the Navy still has some originals in inventory.

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The Navy didn't buy very many, really,  the army did.   It's "navy" caliber,  that is .36 caliber .   Army was .44 caliber.

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That was the model of 1860, not 1851.

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Both, actually....the army bought more 1851s than the Navy did.

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The 1851 was not manufactured in .44 caliber.
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2018, 11:19:04 PM »
*Sigh*

I'm simply excited that we have a SECNAV that would even carry.  The prior ones probably would have fainted if offered.  (Did any of Obama's Service Secretaries ever go into a theater ??)
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2018, 11:34:12 PM »
Thread drift:  someone I know bought a Beretta M9A3 recently.  I got to shoot a few rounds with it last week.  A very sweet shooting pistol.  I had a 92FS years ago and the trigger is 10 times better.  I love the straight grip also.  It came with a grip adapter to add the palm swell if you liked that.  If it wasn't for the price I would over to Cabela's myself and see if they still had any. 
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2018, 10:50:43 AM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on January 02, 2018, 11:03:15 PM
Follow the bouncing ball:



Oooops...lost the quotes.   Oh well.

The 1851 model was a .36 caliber revolver.  IIRC Colt made some experimental models in .41,  but never marketed them.  .36 was said to be "Navy Caliber,"  but that doesn't mean they were exclusive to the navy.

The 1860 was .44 caliber.   .44 was said to be "Army,"  but again,  that doesn't mean they were exclusive to the army.
Ok?  

None of these percussion weapons will ever be re-adopted for current military service....unless the procurers  develop a serious case of overwhelming insanity.   So this whole discussion is immaterial.   Not to mention wierd.
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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2018, 11:31:09 AM »
Quote from: TommyGunn on January 03, 2018, 10:50:43 AM
  So this whole discussion is immaterial.   Not to mention wierd.

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Re: SECNAV Packs in Astan
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2018, 11:55:29 AM »
Quote from: Fly320s on January 03, 2018, 11:31:09 AM
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I'll ask that man behind the curtain once the smoke clears.... :laugh:
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