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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Stand_watie on May 19, 2012, 04:25:09 PM
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For my non-shooter wife for home defense.
I'm talking about a full size Ruger or similar revolver. I've had a Rossi .357, full sized (971?) with a 4 inch barrel and the recoil when firing .38's I think to be small enough for a new shooter not to develop a flinch.
What sez the members of the peanut gallery?
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I tend to stick with the really common calibers like .38/.357 etc
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I say they are both too loud to shoot indoors. Go with a .38 Special (or a 9mm with a silencer if that's legal in your state) The .38 is also too loud, but less likely to cause significant permanent hearing damage.
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i have never shot the .327. given the choice, i prefer the more common cartridge. likely just .38 would be plenty for what you need.
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Go with the 38/357. The 38 is pretty mild and if she desires something bigger, you have it covered.
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For ammo availability and sheer versatility - you can shoot anything from a .38 wadcutter to a full magnum load - I say stick with the .357. Oddball rounds like the .327 are the product of advertising hype in the hope of selling more guns/ammo to the guy who just has to have something different, even if it's not actually better than what we have now.
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I've never shot the .327 but used to shot a bit of .32 H & R mag. It is very load and flashy indoors in low light. You could drop down to a .32 Long for a light load but unless you reload it is going to cost you for ammo and be hard to find.
Having a very accurate 38/357 around here, I'm not seeing a need for a 327.
jim
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.38 Special wadcutters are a potent defense load. They don't expand, but they penetrate like crazy and do a lot of damage along the way. I wish someone (not taurus) made a short-cylinder pocket .38 that would only chamber wadcutters -- like an I-frame chief's model.
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While the .327 geels less "snappy" than the .32H&RMag, and feels like it has less recoil (by quite a bit) than the .357 in both 2" and 4" barrels, there is little difference in sound indoors or outdoors between .327 and .357. All this is subjective data from one person.
On paper and in gelatin terminal ballistics between the .327 and .357 seem to be close enough not to matter. I certainly wouylds not want to try and catch either one.
.327 and .38spl+p feel about the same. Vanilla .38spl is, compared to .327, almost wimpy. Almpst.
Why are you looking to get away from either tried-and-true round that is given to those we think can't handle "real" calibers? And have you tried SWMBO out on .45acp? Many, even frail, women, find it a teddybear.
stay safe.
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For ammo availability and sheer versatility - you can shoot anything from a .38 wadcutter to a full magnum load - I say stick with the .357. Oddball rounds like the .327 are the product of advertising hype in the hope of selling more guns/ammo to the guy who just has to have something different, even if it's not actually better than what we have now.
One more round of an odball new cartridge in a snubby sized gun, versus the ubiquity of the .38/.357.
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Go with the more commen caliber.
I concur with the versitility of having the .357 mag. In a full size steel frame, .38 special is nothing, in terms of recoil.
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I'd prefer the versatility and cheap practice ammo of the .38/.357.
I'd also look at a long gun instead of / in addition to a pistol for purely in house work. Pistols are far inferior in literally every way except concealability and carryability. If she's not toting it on body even inside the house, it has nothing but disadvantages.
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Go with the more commen caliber.
I concur with the versitility of having the .357 mag. In a full size steel frame, .38 special is nothing, in terms of recoil.
I'm trying to buy myself a sexy new gun here and lay it off on my wife. As a woman, you should be especially empathetic to my cause. Help me out here.
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If you're a decent handloader you could probably get .357 stopping power and 9mm recoil.
Personally I want a .327 sp101 because I hope to be a decent handloader some day and heard from a friend that its going to be one of the best revolver cartridges ever.
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My non-gun person gun package is a DA revolver in .44 and a Marlin lever gun with a red dot also in .44. Use .44 special in handgun. Same can be done with .357/.38, just cheaper ammo.
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I'm trying to buy myself a sexy new gun here and lay it off on my wife. As a woman, you should be especially empathetic to my cause. Help me out here.
*snort*
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I'm trying to buy myself a sexy new gun here and lay it off on my wife. As a woman, you should be especially empathetic to my cause. Help me out here.
*snort*
No, seriously, I feel his pain. Buddy of mine did that - with a 2" .327 of all things. Bought it "for his wife" because it was as powerfuk as, but had less recoil than the .357. Turned out she is a 1911 person and appropriated his second-favorite one as her own, saying "You have a new toy so you won't miss this."
To his credit, he carries it. Not all the time. Just when going out with SWMBO.*
stay safe.
* But then, I'm pretty sure she also picks what he is going to wear when they go out. (He needs the help - plaid pants with horizontal-striped polo shirts do not belong even on a golf course!)
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No, seriously, I feel his pain. Buddy of mine did that - with a 2" .327 of all things. Bought it "for his wife" because it was as powerfuk as, but had less recoil than the .357. Turned out she is a 1911 person and appropriated his second-favorite one as her own, saying "You have a new toy so you won't miss this."
To his credit, he carries it. Not all the time. Just when going out with SWMBO.*
stay safe.
* But then, I'm pretty sure she also picks what he is going to wear when they go out. (He needs the help - plaid pants with horizontal-striped polo shirts do not belong even on a golf course!)
I like this women. She is smart.
=)
And I will help him out if he buys me a new .357 mag. :angel:
"yes, ma'am. .327 is a GREAT caliber. Just perfect for you..."
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I really like the concept of the .327, on paper at least, especially if they use the extra space savings to cram in +1 round over the comparable .38 or. 357.
Might make for the perfect nightstand gun for the non-gunnie type who might be a bit less safe with a mag-fed semi auto.
There is even ammo variety with the ability to fire any rimmed .32 of shorter length. Unfortunately they're all expensive and rare. So I say don't ginuea pig yourself on the .327 either...
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I really like the concept of the .327, on paper at least, especially if they use the extra space savings to cram in +1 round over the comparable .38 or. 357.
Might make for the perfect nightstand gun for the non-gunnie type who might be a bit less safe with a mag-fed semi auto.
There is even ammo variety with the ability to fire any rimmed .32 of shorter length. Unfortunately they're all expensive and rare. So I say don't ginuea pig yourself on the .327 either...
I think you can also use .32 ACP, but might have a little trouble with the extractor star jumping over the rims. (not a problem if you don't have a reload anyway)
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I really like the concept of the .327, on paper at least, especially if they use the extra space savings to cram in +1 round over the comparable .38 or. 357.
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There is even ammo variety with the ability to fire any rimmed .32 of shorter length. Unfortunately they're all expensive and rare. So I say don't ginuea pig yourself on the .327 either...
I think you can also use .32 ACP, but might have a little trouble with the extractor star jumping over the rims. (not a problem if you don't have a reload anyway)
SAAMI disagrees with both of you, saying that neither .32S&W short nor .32acp is compatable.
Granted you might get the boolit part to out the end of the gun you point away from you without having anything blow up, but the additional distance to jump from cylinder for both of them and the chance to not only jam the star extractor but allow gas out the back for the latter are issues you might want to consider/reconsider.
stay safe.
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For my non-shooter wife for home defense.
I'm talking about a full size Ruger or similar revolver. I've had a Rossi .357, full sized (971?) with a 4 inch barrel and the recoil when firing .38's I think to be small enough for a new shooter not to develop a flinch.
What sez the members of the peanut gallery?
House gun? How's her arm and hand strength?
I think I'd be looking at Ruger's 4" .357 SP-101.
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My wife has one of those used Model 64 S&W's from J&G Sales, and we both love it.
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House gun? How's her arm and hand strength?...
Size is comparable to a typical small framed woman. Strength is about comparable to a small, but quite wiry welshman coal miner based upon how black my eyes get when I miss the laundry hamper with my dirty socks.
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Stay with a K or J frame in .38/.357. The report induces as much or more flinch than the actual recoil. I'd take the .38 over the .327 for that, if no other reason. A good hit between the shirt pockets would settle the dispute with either.
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The .327Fed is, ballistically speaking, a 6-shot 9mm that doesn't need moon clips....but does need expensive, hard to find ammo. If more than one major ammo company offered the round, I'd be interested.
Right now, I'd recommend a good K-frame .357Mag revolver....
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I'd recommend a good K-frame .357Mag revolver
That's a good answer to almost any "which handgun?" question. ;)
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.38 Special wadcutters are a potent defense load. They don't expand, but they penetrate like crazy and do a lot of damage along the way. I wish someone (not taurus) made a short-cylinder pocket .38 that would only chamber wadcutters -- like an I-frame chief's model.
This, or a 9mm & moonclip version with the cylinder cut to accommodate the 9mm short OAL. That way you could shoot everything from mild 90gr loads to the hottest 9mm+P+ ".357Sig" loads.
While the .327 geels less "snappy" than the .32H&RMag, and feels like it has less recoil (by quite a bit) than the .357 in both 2" and 4" barrels, there is little difference in sound indoors or outdoors between .327 and .357. All this is subjective data from one person.
On paper and in gelatin terminal ballistics between the .327 and .357 seem to be close enough not to matter. I certainly wouylds not want to try and catch either one.
.327 and .38spl+p feel about the same. Vanilla .38spl is, compared to .327, almost wimpy. Almpst.
Why are you looking to get away from either tried-and-true round that is given to those we think can't handle "real" calibers? And have you tried SWMBO out on .45acp? Many, even frail, women, find it a teddybear.
stay safe.
My 5'-nuthin', 100lbs only with rocks in her pockets wife took a shine to 1911s and never looked back.
"It fits my hand and I shoot it better than all the others." <----Words of wisdom from Mrs. roo_ster.
Stay with a K or J frame in .38/.357. The report induces as much or more flinch than the actual recoil. I'd take the .38 over the .327 for that, if no other reason. A good hit between the shirt pockets would settle the dispute with either.
This. Muzzle/cyl gap blast are definitely part of the whole subjective recoil effect.
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Yeah, I never knew where the "common wisdom" (emphasis on the quotes) came about that .45ACP was something for the recoil-sensitive to avoid.
Unless it's one of those mini-micro deep concealment .45's, it's a bigger slower push, and not at all snappy, like .38's/.357's, 9mm, or .40 can be, depending on the load and gun combination used.
And the single stack magazine works really well for some people's hands.
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Yeah, I never knew where the "common wisdom" (emphasis on the quotes) came about that .45ACP was something for the recoil-sensitive to avoid.
Unless it's one of those mini-micro deep concealment .45's, it's a bigger slower push, and not at all snappy, like .38's/.357's, 9mm, or .40 can be, depending on the load and gun combination used.
And the single stack magazine works really well for some people's hands.
I found my first experience with a 1911 to be near-perfect. Like you say, it's a long (for recoil) slow push, rather than a sharp kick - I found the recoil of my .40SW and .357Sig to be far snappier, and therefore more objectionable.
But I know little of .357Mag (other than it was a flamethrower that kicked like a smallish mule in a 4"-barrelled Ruger revolver the one time I tried it), and nothing of .327.
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Unless it's one of those mini-micro deep concealment .45's, it's a bigger slower push, and not at all snappy, like .38's/.357's, 9mm, or .40 can be, depending on the load and gun combination used.
.45's a pussycat in my little Bersa.
That's a good answer to almost any "which handgun?" question. ;)
Which is why I recommended the 4" SP101, as the closest one can approach that currently (new).
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Plenty of K-frame S&W's & Ruger Security/Speed-Sixes in the used pipeline still....