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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: HeroHog on August 16, 2018, 09:12:28 PM
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This makes me SO MAD! - Catholic Priests Abused 1,000 Children in Pennsylvania, Report Says - The New York Times :mad:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/us/catholic-church-sex-abuse-pennsylvania.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/us/catholic-church-sex-abuse-pennsylvania.html)
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Hollywood has been making jokes about the Catholic Church raping kids since what, the 60s? It's been a common knowledge butt of jokes thing yet nothing is done.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I believe the "one true church" needs to get it's *expletive deleted*it together. ( and after electing the current Socialist jackass to the top slot, I'm not optimistic.)
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but I believe the "one true church" needs to get it's *expletive deleted*it together. ( and after electing the current Socialist jackass to the top slot, I'm not optimistic.)
Agreed. Methinks Il Papa needs to stop worrying about the environment and start cleaning up his own church. But he's just like all the others. There was a huge abuse scandal in Chile, and His Holiness totally ignored it, and promoted the abuser-in-chief. Then people in that region of Chile stopped going to (and supporting) the Catholic Church, the Pope sent a special delegation to Chile to investigate, and he finally apologized to the victims. However, as far as I know, the abuser-in-chief remains a bishop, so the apology didn't count for anything.
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NPR has been running stories on this the last couple of days. It has encouraged me to find a copy of the report from Pennsylvania. I hope to find time to read it this weekend.
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Hollywood has been making jokes about the Catholic Church raping kids since what, the 60s?
Turns out they just didn’t want the competition.
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Nobody at the school thought there was anything strange with this (picture was safe for work until it hit the internet... now, not so much):
NSFW?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/9180774-3x4-340x453.jpg
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-22/statue-of-saint-and-child-creates-stir/9180724
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https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-Paul-VI-Audience-Hall-in-Rome-Vatican-City-look-like-a-serpent-And-what-does-this-say-about-the-intentions-of-the-Catholic-Church
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https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/08/17/despicable-catholic-league-channeling-the-gddamn-devil-himself-with-this-take-on-pa-catholic-church-abuse-scandal/ (https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/08/17/despicable-catholic-league-channeling-the-gddamn-devil-himself-with-this-take-on-pa-catholic-church-abuse-scandal/)
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https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/08/17/despicable-catholic-league-channeling-the-gddamn-devil-himself-with-this-take-on-pa-catholic-church-abuse-scandal/ (https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/08/17/despicable-catholic-league-channeling-the-gddamn-devil-himself-with-this-take-on-pa-catholic-church-abuse-scandal/)
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/217/549/3e2.jpg)
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Turns out they just didn’t want the competition.
Zing!
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The level of evil in the world is so great that normies choose to live in denial and cog diss rather than face the evil and deal with it correctly.
Seems that all of our major institutions are infiltrated with this evil as well as other evils.
It’s been right in our faces for years but for some reason it feels like everything is coming to a boil and the lines are becoming clearer. Evil isn’t even trying to hide itself.
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The level of evil in the world is so great that normies choose to live in denial and cog diss rather than face the evil and deal with it correctly.
Seems that all of our major institutions are infiltrated with this evil as well as other evils.
It’s been right in our faces for years but for some reason it feels like everything is coming to a boil and the lines are becoming clearer. Evil isn’t even trying to hide itself.
Yes.
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The level of evil in the world is so great that normies choose to live in denial and cog diss rather than face the evil and deal with it correctly.
Seems that all of our major institutions are infiltrated with this evil as well as other evils.
It’s been right in our faces for years but for some reason it feels like everything is coming to a boil and the lines are becoming clearer. Evil isn’t even trying to hide itself.
I see you've been downing them red pills by the handful...
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I see you've been downing them red pills by the handful...
The red pill of awareness is better than a gram of Huxleys comforting Soma.
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*sigh*
Everyone acts surprised when these scandals break out. Unfortunately, you rarely hear anyone point out the actual issues.
They call folks who abuse children predators for a reason. And predators go where they can easily get to their prey: this is why you never see lions in the Sahara: no gazelle. By the same token, someone wishing to prey on children will find positions where they have access to (and power over) children: teacher, Scoutmaster, cop... and priest.
Now, the church has been making a serious mistake in how they deal with these folks: instead of denouncing/defrocking/excommunicating, they cover up... in an effort to protect their organization. They never seem to learn that this does not work.
And (personal observation): all the worst perps I've had to deal with, have presented a VERY heavy "Christian face". The worst so far being a man who was not only abusing his daughter sexually, but was actually renting her out to other perverts. Got to see the inside of his house: EVERY wall (even in the garage) had a picture of Jesus on it. Folks all thought he was a pillar of the community.
To all the Christians here: I'm sorry, but your faith is often used as camoflage by predators. And it's been a fairly effective blind for them
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The level of evil in the world is so great that normies choose to live in denial and cog diss rather than face the evil and deal with it correctly.
Seems that all of our major institutions are infiltrated with this evil as well as other evils.
It’s been right in our faces for years but for some reason it feels like everything is coming to a boil and the lines are becoming clearer. Evil isn’t even trying to hide itself.
✔️ ✔️ ✔️
Something about the number 666 occurs to me, but I'm no Bible expert, so I'll let it go.
Terry
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Now, the church has been making a serious mistake in how they deal with these folks: instead of denouncing/defrocking/excommunicating, they cover up... in an effort to protect their organization. They never seem to learn that this does not work.
QFT.
I'm Catholic, went to parochial school for grades 1-8 - none of the priests I personally encountered as a child, even in retrospect, seemed to be a pervert.
BUT - having said that - what I think should happen to the child abusers and those who covered for them would probably be regarded as distinctly un-Christian.
When I saw a PA bishop/cardinal on TV begging for "forgiveness" from the community, my reaction was "Sure - we'll forgive. WHEN EVERY LAST PERVERT AND OFFICIAL WHO COVERED THIS UP WAIVES HIS RIGHTS UNDER THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS, PLEADS GUILTY IN COURT, AND ACCEPTS A LENGTHY PRISON SENTENCE."
:mad:
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It’s almost as if evil psychopaths have made it a point to infiltrate every institution, put their people in charge and repurposed them to pursue their own evil designs.
Government, Christian religious institutions, educational institutions etc.
To a large extent they now exist to do the opposite of their original purpose and give cover to the enemies of the people.
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Having known 2 young girls (~14yr old) who claimed rape against an innocent guy, we -as a nation - need to be careful about prematurely jumping on the "burn them all" bandwagon. The claim was made to cover their staying out over night.
If, after appropriate investigation, one is determined to be guilty, then burn them and send them to hell.
One big problem is how to not ruin the innocent persons life over an accusation.
How to prevent coverups.....? That's the $64,000 question.
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*sigh*
Everyone acts surprised when these scandals break out. Unfortunately, you rarely hear anyone point out the actual issues.
They call folks who abuse children predators for a reason. And predators go where they can easily get to their prey: this is why you never see lions in the Sahara: no gazelle. By the same token, someone wishing to prey on children will find positions where they have access to (and power over) children: teacher, Scoutmaster, cop... and priest.
Now, the church has been making a serious mistake in how they deal with these folks: instead of denouncing/defrocking/excommunicating, they cover up... in an effort to protect their organization. They never seem to learn that this does not work.
And (personal observation): all the worst perps I've had to deal with, have presented a VERY heavy "Christian face". The worst so far being a man who was not only abusing his daughter sexually, but was actually renting her out to other perverts. Got to see the inside of his house: EVERY wall (even in the garage) had a picture of Jesus on it. Folks all thought he was a pillar of the community.
To all the Christians here: I'm sorry, but your faith is often used as camoflage by predators. And it's been a fairly effective blind for them
It isn't "using your faith" so much as social camouflage. If they were in another country with different dominant religious views, they would fit in with whatever was prevalent nearby. The lesson IMO is be careful trusting people with authority over your kids. Be observant and be suspicious. We talk about that when it comes to carrying a gun and self defense. This is a different kind of self defense.
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Cliffh remarked,
One big problem is how to not ruin the innocent persons life over an accusation.
I repeat one of my personal mantras:
Accusations are cheap
Defense is expensive
False accusations are standard tools of the aforementioned evildoers. I guess they never heard of that injunction against bearing false witness.
But I ain't no Biblical expert, so I'll leave it at that.
"It isn't 'using your faith' so much as social camouflage." Good point, MechAg94, thanks. But of course, that's just another form of lying.
Terry, 230RN
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My point re: "using your faith" is that these folks use the faith of people like Fistful and Ron as their camoflage. And, unfortunately, it is fairly effective: I've heard people defending criminals using the logic "but they're such a good Christian person"
*shrug*
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In the late 80’s I attended a mega church that has had not one, but multiple scandals that involved authority figures preying upon young teens.
I had heard rumors about one of them that had happened years before I attended. One was going on while I was there but didn’t get revealed til years later. The last occurred long after I was gone.
The institution never really came clean and it is cruising along to this day.
I had interacted with two of the men on several occasions.
They exuded authority and were master persuaders. They actually had their own little followings or fan clubs (so to speak).
Truth be told, one of them I never trusted, my bs detector picked him up right away.
The other guy, it floored me. Never in a million years would I have even suspected. I honestly thought he walked with God.
What he did... he is still in jail for to this day.
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I understand that child molesters are on the bottom of the totem pole in prisons and don't have a good time of it.
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As I have mentioned previously, my late wife was from South America. It goes almost without saying that she was Roman Catholic. I am Protestant, but it's basically the same Bible so, when she arrived here, I took her to the local Catholic church for Sunday mass. She didn't like it -- at all. She spoke virtually no English when she got here, the local church didn't (and doesn't) offer a Spanish-language mass, and the members of the parish didn't seem especially interested in welcoming a newcomer. I'm pretty sure we only attended on mass, whereupon she decided she didn't ike it and wasn't going back.
Awhile later I had to attend a meeting in a lawyer's office on Church Street in a nearby city. As I turned from Main Street onto Church Street, the corner was occupied by a lovely old stone church in the "church Gothic" style. Out front, there was a huge banner that read, "La misa en Espanol." Cool -- my Spanish wasn't great, but I could figure that out. I assumed (incorrectly, as it turned out) that it was a Roman Catholic church, and I mentioned it to my wife as soon as I got home. She decided that she wanted to check it out. For whatever reason, I was doing something else the Sunday she wanted to go, but she mad met another young woman from Chile who lived in the area, so the two of them made the trek.
When we all met up at home later I asked her how she liked it. She reported that she liked the church, she liked the people she had met, and that she really liked the pastor. Then she showed me the card he had given her. Oops -- it wasn't a Roman Catholic church at all, it was Episcopalian. My mother was Episcopalian, and she never referred to their church services as "masses," not did she ever refer to an Episcopal clergyman as a "priest." But, somewhere between my youth and 2004 (which leave a LOT of territory) things had changed, and the Episcopalians now refer to their services as masses, and their clergy as priests. But I digress ...
I showed this to my wife, and she said it was okay, the mass felt like the one she knew and she liked the pastor, so we became regulars at that church. A few years later, we learned that there was an actual Roman Catholic church a few blocks from the Episcopal church, and that they had a Spanish-language mass. My wife wanted to check it out, so we did. There were a LOT more people there, and it was indeed in Spanish, so my wife felt right at home. But she still liked Padre Armando from the Episcopal church, so for some time we ended up alternating weeks between the Episcopal church and the Catholic church. There was another couple we met at the Episcopal church who were doing the same thing.
And then one day I happened to buy a newspaper from that town, in which there was a huge article reporting that the pastor of the Roman Catholic church had been arrested. He was later tried and convicted. What was his crime? It came out that he had been telling the parishioners that he had cancer, and that he had to go to New York City every week for special treatments that weren't available in the small hospital in the local city. In actuality, it came out that he had embezzled over a million dollars from the parish. He spent the money supporting his homosexual lover who lived in ... New York City. His weekly trips weren't for cancer treatments, they were to see his lover.
Between that and all the news about pedophile priests, my wife said, "That's enough. I'm not a Catholic any more, I'll be an Episcopalian."
And so it was, from then until she died. I don't think she ever set foot in a Catholic church again except the day we attended the Eagle Scout investment (or whatever they call it) ceremony for the son of a friend of hers, which happened to be held in a Catholic church.
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The last time I was in a Catholic church it had been so long since the previous time, I forgot to take off my hat.
Made me think about why women had to cover their heads, men could not. Never did resolve that question in my mind. I gave up thinking about it when my perverse little brain hit on the concept of a guy wearing a toupée in church. What then?
Decided to think about what I was going to have for lunch, instead.
Terry
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it came out that he had embezzled over a million dollars from the parish. He spent the money supporting his homosexual lover who lived in ... New York City. His weekly trips weren't for cancer treatments, they were to see his lover.
That sounds familiar. I think I've read of this case elsewhere.
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A small church where everyone is in each other’s business at least has some possibility of accountability.
Even that isn’t a perfect solution, don’t know what is.
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A small church where everyone is in each other’s business at least has some possibility of accountability.
Even that isn’t a perfect solution, don’t know what is.
Sometimes everyone knows what is going on, and ignores it.
I know of a tiny church where one "deacon" sent his wife to the hospital. The youth "leader" was arrested for raping a 12 year old boy also.
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The last time I was in a Catholic church it had been so long since the previous time, I forgot to take off my hat.
Made me think about why women had to cover their heads, men could not. Never did resolve that question in my mind. I gave up thinking about it when my perverse little brain hit on the concept of a guy wearing a toupée in church. What then?
And in a synagogue men are expected to cover their heads.
Same deity, different rules. Go figure.
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I don't think she ever set foot in a Catholic church again except the day we attended the Eagle Scout investment (or whatever they call it) ceremony for the son of a friend of hers, which happened to be held in a Catholic church.
Eagle Scout Court of Honor