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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: GeoJAP on February 09, 2009, 11:46:15 AM
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A "million gun owner march" is gearing up.
http://secondamendmentmarch.com/
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Dood... Road trip!
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Again? (http://stanley2002.org/mgmpetition.htm)
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I know the guy who is getting this going!
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if/when this happens, i'd be down for it. i'll be in college at the time, but it would undoubtably be worth it.
tmm
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been there, done that,
40 people showed up
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32615
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"been there, done that"...
so then what? wait and watch your rights get voted away? perhaps the first one didn't work out well at all... hell, maybe the second one won't either. what happens when hundreds... or thousands of people say "it won't work"? they don't go, and the attempt is a failure. if you believe in your right to... have rights, people have to take a stand, you know?
tmm
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"been there, done that"...
so then what? wait and watch your rights get voted away? perhaps the first one didn't work out well at all... hell, maybe the second one won't either. what happens when hundreds... or thousands of people say "it won't work"? they don't go, and the attempt is a failure. if you believe in your right to... have rights, people have to take a stand, you know?
tmm
Conservatives have jobs to go to. Liberals don't.
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Conservatives have jobs to go to. Liberals don't.
Excuses, excuses.
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Excuses, excuses.
Right, I should lose my job and be unable to take care of my family so I can go stand and yell. That'll show em! :rolleyes:
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Conservatives have jobs to go to...
Not if Obama gets HIS way...
Sorry for the hijack but I just couldn't resist.
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Right, I should lose my job and be unable to take care of my family so I can go stand and yell. That'll show em! :rolleyes:
we all understand that jobs are important. to say the least. is taking a few days off more important than losing rights? i'd be willing to lose several days of my schooling, that I'M PAYING FOR, for some time to stand around with a sign.(not trying to make myself look better than you... i'm just making a point...)
just as a side note, i'm not only defending this million gun march idea, i'm defending and more importantly, questioning the drive some of us have to defend our rights! "i have a job, i can't stand and yell"... maybe if you don't stand and yell, you won't even be able to.
tmm
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I'll be there... I'm sure any of us can get off for 2 or 3 days if we are giving a 1 year advance notice. If not, you need to find a new job.
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At the first IGOLD (Illinois Gun Owners Lobby Day) http://igold.isra.org/ there we're only about 300 gun owners that showed. The next year we had about 600. The year after that about 1200. Last year we had about 2,500 people show up. We expect about 5,000 this year.
The point: Ya gotta start somewhere, then work to make it grow.
I might pull the kids out of school that week and do the whole Family trip to DC thing and attend the march. Good way to teach about that whole "redress of grievances" thing.
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Right, I should lose my job and be unable to take care of my family so I can go stand and yell. That'll show em! :rolleyes:
I'm sure Isaac Davis had some blacksmithing work he could have done back in 1775 instead of taking a walk to Concord. Probably made more money doing it... certainly would have lived longer (he was shot through the heart by Concord's North Bridge).
He took a walk over taxes, gun confiscation and lack of a voice in his government.
You wouldn't do less than a hundredth of what he did? He knew he was going to a scrap. I'm pretty certain that Obama doesn't have the Big Brass Ones to send out Patton and Eisenhower's ghosts at this reincarnation of the Bonus Army. This will be long lines, scarce port-o-johns, some good speeches, some bad speeches, and annoying commutes back home after the thing is done.
You seriously can't give that much?
"A Republic if you can keep it," indeed. :rolleyes:
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I'm sure Isaac Davis had some blacksmithing work he could have done back in 1775 instead of taking a walk to Concord. Probably made more money doing it... certainly would have lived longer (he was shot through the heart by Concord's North Bridge).
He took a walk over taxes, gun confiscation and lack of a voice in his government.
You wouldn't do less than a hundredth of what he did? He knew he was going to a scrap. I'm pretty certain that Obama doesn't have the Big Brass Ones to send out Patton and Eisenhower's ghosts at this reincarnation of the Bonus Army. This will be long lines, scarce port-o-johns, some good speeches, some bad speeches, and annoying commutes back home after the thing is done.
You seriously can't give that much?
"A Republic if you can keep it," indeed. :rolleyes:
Yep, my refusal to goto the cesspool on the Potomac to walk around with a sign means I'm lazy and don't care about freedom. ;/ The massive arrogance and sense or moral superiority being displayed in this thread is staggering.
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Yep, my refusal to goto the cesspool on the Potomac to walk around with a sign means I'm lazy and don't care about freedom. ;/ The massive arrogance and sense or moral superiority being displayed in this thread is staggering.
speaking for myself, i did not try to portray myself as superior... but it's the fact that some of us seemed to doubt the success of the march, and thus be completely uninterested in it. if we all believed in the success of it, it would be a success.
somebody needs to see us, know we're regular people, you know? preaching to the choir on APS and THR is satisfying but useless.
tmm
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speaking for myself, i did not try to portray myself as superior... but it's the fact that some of us seemed to doubt the success of the march, and thus be completely uninterested in it. if we all believed in the success of it, it would be a success.
somebody needs to see us, know we're regular people, you know? preaching to the choir on APS and THR is satisfying but useless.
tmm
My comments were more aimed at AZRed. As for the bolded part..... hey, if we all voted for Ron Paul, he could have gotten elected!
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My comments were more aimed at AZRed. As for the bolded part..... hey, if we all voted for Ron Paul, he could have gotten elected!
I'm sorry, I understand now, those of us who actually want liberty in our lifetime should just accept the fact we are going to be living in a welfare-state until we die.
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Balog, we're facing one of the most rabidly anti-gun, filibuster-proof, power-drunk and irresponsible congressional sessions and presidential administrations this country may ever face.
You go ahead and give your $35 to the NRA instead. I'm sure when they negotiate so that 1911's can keep 8rds in them when the Dems wanted 7, along with keeping single-shot rifles that vaguely look like AR-15's will be cheered as a huge victory for the games-playing gun crowd, when all the rest of them have been banned and steamrolled.
No one says you HAVE to go. I think that urinating on the motivation of those of us that care to do something about the problem rather than pay some slick shiesters in DC to smoke cigars and chuckle at the general public's naivite, is a poor decision.
But you're welcome to it.
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/sigh
I say "that activity is not an effective way to accomplish our goals" and you accuse me of saying "we should do nothing, just resign yourself to a lifetime of servitude." Stop putting words in my mouth, and stop projecting your biased ideas about people with the temerity to disagree with you onto me. It is neither accurate nor polite. "That is ineffective" != "Just give up."
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You keep repeating it is ineffective. Yet this technique was used to good effect by protesters around the world, and it worked for them.
You also imply that the people who protest their various causes have no jobs.
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How much did the people protesting Bush do to sway him? You think Obama is more inclined to listen?
And if you do nothinbg but travel around protesting then, yeah, you most likely don't have a job.
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How much did the people protesting Bush do to sway him? You think Obama is more inclined to listen?
Their protests were, however, amplified by the media coverage they got, contributing to the eventual weakening and removal of the GOP. Note Contributing, not exclusively causing.
And if you do nothinbg but travel around protesting then, yeah, you most likely don't have a job.
Did I suggest that's what should be done? But drawing the notion that you should never protest from this is ridiculous.
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Mass protests are most effective in places with no other means of forcing a redressing of grievances. That is not the case here.
I never said anyone going to this protest was a loser. But I do not think this particular protest will accomplish much if anything, and taking the time off work and spending the fairly substantial amount of money for a plane ticket, hotel etc would be a waste. "Pick your battles" and good stewardship of limited resources are important, and I think this march fails on both counts.
Further, I vehemently object to being insulted and accused because of that view.
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Hey, I have a great idea, lets just sit back and do nothing and let obama and the media define us as just a bunch of fringe kooks. Then we get front row seats as they ban semi-autos and then they ban all 30 cals, because they are just cop killer sniper rounds. And nobody really needs a magazine that holds over 5 rounds or better yet, anything but a break action single shot.
Now we can sit on our duffs and watch our gun rights taken piece meal away or we can get out there and do something. If you have a better idea, then speak up and take the lead. Otherwise, help out or get out of the way. These politicians were afraid, very afraid over the illegal immigration uproar.
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Yep, goto this event or do nothing: those are the only choices. :rolleyes:
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I plan on attending. I've mentioned it to several people I know and they want to go also. We need to do this like some multi level business. I'll get 3 to go and they each get 3 to go etc. Pretty soon it's a lot of people.
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I plan on attending. I've mentioned it to several people I know and they want to go also. We need to do this like some multi level business. I'll get 3 to go and they each get 3 to go etc. Pretty soon it's a lot of people.
Okay, you give me $50, cuz I decided to go before you. Then from your $50 from each of your 3 people, you can keep $40 of it and pass $10 to me. Then from each of their three, you get to keep $5 of the $10, and I get the other $5.
Kinda like that? =D
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Ted Nugent to Speak and Play at the Second Amendment March in Spring 2010!
Written by Daniel White
Tuesday, 10 February 2009
The Second Amendment March is proud to announce that rock-n-roll legend and Second Amendment Activist Ted Nugent has enthusiastically agreed to perform and speak at the Second Amendment March in Spring 2010! In a conversation just this morning to event founder and promoter, Skip Coryell, Ted Nugent said:
"Goodstuff Skip. If you are so inclined, you may throw the Nuge rocketfuel on the fire by emphasizing my personal total support as an individual and as a BOD of NRA & GOA! ONWARD!"
Well, Ted, let me think about it. Okay! Done thinking! You're in and thanks much! When I pressed him to bring his guitar, Ted replied:
"It would not be a complete freedom rally without my firebreathing Star Spangled Banner eruption!"
We look forward to Ted's performance and thank him for his support in lending us his voice, his guitar and his tremendous starpower! God bless the Nuge!
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Skip is a super guy! I met with him a couple times when he lived briefly in Iowa a few years ago.
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This brings up a question. With everybody having "jobs" and all that, WHAT IF we ever have an all out revolution?? How many people will take a stand ?? I'm think MAYBE 5%, IF that. ( I THINK I'm being overly optimistic, too)
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i'd think that it wouldn't be an all-out revolution if only 5% participated...
and the anti-gun media would be all over these "crazy right-wing gun nuts" like flies over...
tmm
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Ah, the masks are coming in useful again.
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So what happens if and when one of the liberal "true believers" of the sort who have loaded weapons in a concealed-carry class to make a statement...show up and discharge a firearm?
Way to enable an AWB, "obviously too dangerous for citizens to have, see that?"
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So what happens if and when one of the liberal "true believers" of the sort who have loaded weapons in a concealed-carry class to make a statement...show up and discharge a firearm?
Way to enable an AWB, "obviously too dangerous for citizens to have, see that?"
This is brought up every time something like that gets suggested. Interestingly, it hasn't transpired yet.
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I'm going to start looking for a VW bus to paint camoflauge. :)
I can make a sign on the back "Iowa to DC"
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This is brought up every time something like that gets suggested. Interestingly, it hasn't transpired yet.
Because something like this hasn't happened yet.
Let me put it this way. About a year ago, a couple of activist brats from the Boston area called in a "man with a gun" seen outside buildings near the airport.
He was outside the Firing Line range, carrying his rifle to his car. The police went after him and all, and he could have been killed if there was a mistake. They had been waiting for something to report like that, to get the police to go after a gun owner, because that would show those gun owners...!
The brats were charged with making a false report, but they were True Believers. I don't put anything past them.
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It would probably been fun to go to, provided my schedule doesn't get in the way.
It wouldn't be a priority because marches don't accomplish much of anything. They make the participants feel good and get (maybe) some media attention. Congressmen don't look out their windows, see a bunch of people and say, "boy, I'd better change my vote!".
Gun owners and the NRA are already a potent force, as the media constantly reminds us, and as congresscritters are keenly aware. The only question is how much of a backlash the congresscritters see as a result of their votes.
I suspect that the 40% 2008 over 2007 increase in gun sales isn't being ignored by the Democrat leadership.
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Because something like this hasn't happened yet.
Weren't there various pro-gun rallies in the 90's?
Also, why, then, don't the same people do it at other issue-themed conservative/libertarian rallies?
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been there, done that,
40 people showed up
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32615
follow that link back to 1999
we organized a rally, Rich from TFL volunteered to underwrite travel expenses and 40 people showed up
The biggest was the AIMM rally which was set up counter to the MMM
they had ~3000 people
A free Nugent concert on the mall might be a huge draw
but that is going to cost huge amounts of capitol to make happen
someone has to rent the portapotties