Post by: Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas on April 21, 2008, 02:20:26 PM
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From NBC/NJs Matthew Berger
PHILADELPHIA -- Chelsea Clinton stopped traffic Friday night as she wandered the streets of Philadelphia on a gay bar crawl, winning rave reviews for both her politics and her appearance.
Led around the neighborhood by Gov. Ed Rendell, Chelsea was mobbed by local gays and lesbians, as she walked from one club to the next. They ran up to hug her, posed for pictures and certainly invaded her personal space.
I grabbed her ass, one young woman exclaimed to her friends after snapping a picture with her arm around the former first daughter.
Chelsea, the gays love you! one fan exclaimed, as she took the microphone at Bump, a restaurant and bar that was her first stop. Oh, gosh, I dont know if everybody loves me, she responded.
Most of those at the bar seemed to, squeezing past one another in the cramped space to get a photo. Even some patrons, donning Obama stickers -- a rally for the Illinois senator had taken place a few blocks away earlier in the evening -- tried to get a snapshot as well.
In all, she visited four bars in Center City, concluding her tour at Woodys, the citys most famous gay bar. Getting from one event to another proved difficult at times, as she was constantly stopped by admirers while walking down the sidewalk. She reached into car windows to shake hands and was followed by several young women who tried to pose for photos on their camera phone, but seemed incapable of properly saving the pictures.
Standing with actors Rob Reiner and Robert Gant, Chelsea appeared overwhelmed at Bump when the mob started complimenting her hair, which they had also done several weeks ago when she spoke at a Stonewall Democrats event at Woodys. But she smiled and laughed throughout her very short remarks.
While she acknowledged she often is asked who her mother will choose as a running mate, this crowd had other questions, with one man asking what Hillary would wear on inauguration day.
We have to get her there so we can make that choice, Chelsea said.
At Sisters, a lesbian bar, Rendell reflected on Chelseas statement that her mother would be a better president than her father was, and suggested she may have angered former President Clinton in the process.
Rendell appeared to be in his element. As Chelsea posed for more photos inside Bump, the governor held court outside, quizzing onlookers about Pennsylvania history, and grabbing the phone of one voter to talk to his undecided mother. He acknowledged to the caller that there were two good Democratic candidates, but said he thought Hillary would do a better job.
OK, governor, dont run my minutes up, the man said, trying to get the phone back from Rendell.
Rendell has toured gay bars in Philadelphia since the 1970s, he said, and made a similar trek for John Kerry in 2004.
Well see tonight, easily, 1,500 people, Rendell said. And theyre all voters.
There was no policy discussion for Chelsea, who usually fields questions from college students at town hall meetings but does not do interviews with the press. There were no questions about gays in the military or same-sex marriage this evening; mostly just polite chit-chat.
As the tour continued past a bar with a terrace -- open on one of the first warm spring evenings of the year -- Chelsea nearly ran up to shake outstretched hands.
Are you going inside? one woman asked.
I dont know, Chelsea replied. Im mostly just following directions.
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PHILADELPHIA -- Chelsea Clinton stopped traffic Friday night as she wandered the streets of Philadelphia on a gay bar crawl, winning rave reviews for both her politics and her appearance.
Led around the neighborhood by Gov. Ed Rendell, Chelsea was mobbed by local gays and lesbians, as she walked from one club to the next. They ran up to hug her, posed for pictures and certainly invaded her personal space.
I grabbed her ass, one young woman exclaimed to her friends after snapping a picture with her arm around the former first daughter.
Chelsea, the gays love you! one fan exclaimed, as she took the microphone at Bump, a restaurant and bar that was her first stop. Oh, gosh, I dont know if everybody loves me, she responded.
Most of those at the bar seemed to, squeezing past one another in the cramped space to get a photo. Even some patrons, donning Obama stickers -- a rally for the Illinois senator had taken place a few blocks away earlier in the evening -- tried to get a snapshot as well.
In all, she visited four bars in Center City, concluding her tour at Woodys, the citys most famous gay bar. Getting from one event to another proved difficult at times, as she was constantly stopped by admirers while walking down the sidewalk. She reached into car windows to shake hands and was followed by several young women who tried to pose for photos on their camera phone, but seemed incapable of properly saving the pictures.
Standing with actors Rob Reiner and Robert Gant, Chelsea appeared overwhelmed at Bump when the mob started complimenting her hair, which they had also done several weeks ago when she spoke at a Stonewall Democrats event at Woodys. But she smiled and laughed throughout her very short remarks.
While she acknowledged she often is asked who her mother will choose as a running mate, this crowd had other questions, with one man asking what Hillary would wear on inauguration day.
We have to get her there so we can make that choice, Chelsea said.
At Sisters, a lesbian bar, Rendell reflected on Chelseas statement that her mother would be a better president than her father was, and suggested she may have angered former President Clinton in the process.
Rendell appeared to be in his element. As Chelsea posed for more photos inside Bump, the governor held court outside, quizzing onlookers about Pennsylvania history, and grabbing the phone of one voter to talk to his undecided mother. He acknowledged to the caller that there were two good Democratic candidates, but said he thought Hillary would do a better job.
OK, governor, dont run my minutes up, the man said, trying to get the phone back from Rendell.
Rendell has toured gay bars in Philadelphia since the 1970s, he said, and made a similar trek for John Kerry in 2004.
Well see tonight, easily, 1,500 people, Rendell said. And theyre all voters.
There was no policy discussion for Chelsea, who usually fields questions from college students at town hall meetings but does not do interviews with the press. There were no questions about gays in the military or same-sex marriage this evening; mostly just polite chit-chat.
As the tour continued past a bar with a terrace -- open on one of the first warm spring evenings of the year -- Chelsea nearly ran up to shake outstretched hands.
Are you going inside? one woman asked.
I dont know, Chelsea replied. Im mostly just following directions.
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Ha.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on April 21, 2008, 02:28:50 PM
Post by: Ned Hamford on April 21, 2008, 03:03:40 PM
Chelsea's been working pretty hard for her mother's campaign. I wonder why? What's in it for Chelsea?
'I've got a date with the president's daughter'
She loves that song.
Post by: Fjolnirsson on April 21, 2008, 03:04:57 PM
Post by: wmenorr67 on April 21, 2008, 03:05:57 PM
Chelsea's been working pretty hard for her mother's campaign. I wonder why? What's in it for Chelsea?
Secret Service protection.
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 21, 2008, 03:57:26 PM
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While she acknowledged she often is asked who her mother will choose as a running mate, this crowd had other questions, with one man asking what Hillary would wear on inauguration day.
Its nice to know they're asking her hard hitting questions.
Post by: nico on April 21, 2008, 04:20:17 PM
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While she acknowledged she often is asked who her mother will choose as a running mate, this crowd had other questions, with one man asking what Hillary would wear on inauguration day.
Its nice to know they're asking her hard hitting questions.
I'm hoping for a pair of sweats and a bottle of vodka (she seems like the Absolut type).
Post by: Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas on April 21, 2008, 05:08:51 PM
Chelsea's been working pretty hard for her mother's campaign. I wonder why? What's in it for Chelsea?
Money. Corporations and such love to hire candidates' wives and kids for high salaries - for name recognition at the least, political favors at best. See FDR's kinfolk. If she's first daughter again, she gets a nice job with a title and little to no work involved.
Post by: Dntsycnt on April 21, 2008, 05:11:07 PM
Just for the lulz.
Post by: seeker_two on April 22, 2008, 01:07:33 AM
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Chelsea, the gays love you! one fan exclaimed, as she took the microphone at Bump, a restaurant and bar that was her first stop...
Mom & Dad must be proud....
Post by: Ben on April 22, 2008, 05:14:35 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on April 22, 2008, 05:17:22 AM
Chelsea's been working pretty hard for her mother's campaign. I wonder why? What's in it for Chelsea?
Political connections. She's apparently her mother's daughter, complete with an early addiction to political power.
Post by: MicroBalrog on April 22, 2008, 05:22:40 AM
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Chelsea's been working pretty hard for her mother's campaign. I wonder why? What's in it for Chelsea?
If your father/mother/significant other was running for President, wouldn't you chip in and help?
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on April 22, 2008, 05:27:12 AM
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Chelsea's been working pretty hard for her mother's campaign. I wonder why? What's in it for Chelsea?
If your father/mother/significant other was running for President, wouldn't you chip in and help?
Post by: MicroBalrog on April 22, 2008, 05:35:59 AM
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Chelsea's been working pretty hard for her mother's campaign. I wonder why? What's in it for Chelsea?
If your father/mother/significant other was running for President, wouldn't you chip in and help?
How is this different from begging for votes on university campi, gun shows, and expensive dinners?
Post by: Manedwolf on April 22, 2008, 05:36:08 AM
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Chelsea's been working pretty hard for her mother's campaign. I wonder why? What's in it for Chelsea?
If your father/mother/significant other was running for President, wouldn't you chip in and help?
Well, Hillary views all people as tools for her political machinations. She's an ice cold Machiavellian sort.
Even her daughter, apparently, is just a tool.
Post by: HankB on April 22, 2008, 06:17:27 AM
I see nothing wrong or unseemly with an adult working on a parent's political campaign . . . the campaign appearances are questionable, but that's a political issue unrelated to Chelsea being the candidate's adult daughter.
(I see a great deal - a VERY great deal - wrong with her mother. On many levels.)
Post by: Ezekiel on April 22, 2008, 06:42:24 AM
Chelsea's been working pretty hard for her mother's campaign. I wonder why? What's in it for Chelsea?
After eight years of Mom, would Chelsea be old enough to run?
Post by: mtnbkr on April 22, 2008, 06:52:35 AM
Chris
Post by: Boomhauer on April 22, 2008, 06:53:24 AM
Post by: mtnbkr on April 22, 2008, 07:07:47 AM
Chris
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 22, 2008, 07:48:41 AM
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Chelsea's been working pretty hard for her mother's campaign. I wonder why? What's in it for Chelsea?
If your father/mother/significant other was running for President, wouldn't you chip in and help?
Only if I agreed with thier platform.
And then, I would punch someone who grabbed my ass. And I'd be offended that nobody was asking me serious questions. I'd have left when they talked about my hair, or told me "gays love you". Not that I am offended by it, but I'd not be interested in pandering to a special interest group. I'd rather represent said father/mother/so by being able to intelligently answer serious questions about thier positions and platform. What Chelsea is doing is pandering to the lowest common denominator....
Post by: HankB on April 22, 2008, 07:56:36 AM
What Chelsea is doing is pandering to the lowest common denominator....
Hey, that's the BASE of the Democratic Party you're writing about!!!
Post by: roo_ster on April 22, 2008, 08:40:17 AM
How is this different from begging for votes on university campi, gun shows, and expensive dinners?
Because at "university campi, gun shows, and expensive dinners" it is not considered socially acceptable to grab an unwilling* gal's ass and crow about it to the media.
She is going into the social gutter to stir up votes for her mom. What's next, the American ex-pat NAMBLA convention in Thailand to drum up early mail-in ballots?
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Hey, that's the BASE of the Democratic Party you're writing about!!!
"Base" is about right.
* I will assume the best of Chelsea
Post by: Dntsycnt on April 22, 2008, 09:19:50 AM
"Social gutter" is a gun show to many, many people.
Then you take the oh so logical step from gay bar to NAMBLA...nice.
Post by: Finch on April 22, 2008, 09:33:09 AM
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Chelsea's been working pretty hard for her mother's campaign. I wonder why? What's in it for Chelsea?
If your father/mother/significant other was running for President, wouldn't you chip in and help?
How is this different from begging for votes on university campi, gun shows, and expensive dinners?
It's not. The only difference is the party.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on April 22, 2008, 09:37:26 AM
Post by: Scout26 on April 22, 2008, 10:33:18 AM
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The 'pimp' talk is just more disparaging slander that really doesn't belong in national politics.
If she was out there discussing issues and policy, then yes.
But since she's being paraded around as "Look how cute* I am, vote for my Mom.", then yes, she's being pimped by her mom's campaign.
*I don't think she's very attractive.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on April 22, 2008, 10:44:03 AM
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If she was out there discussing issues and policy, then yes.
But since she's being paraded around as "Look how cute* I am, vote for my Mom.", then yes, she's being pimped by her mom's campaign.
But since she's being paraded around as "Look how cute* I am, vote for my Mom.", then yes, she's being pimped by her mom's campaign.
How would you know she doesn't discuss issues and policy unless you've been following her around documenting her speeches and interviews?
Post by: Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas on April 22, 2008, 10:51:02 AM
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If she was out there discussing issues and policy, then yes.
But since she's being paraded around as "Look how cute* I am, vote for my Mom.", then yes, she's being pimped by her mom's campaign.
But since she's being paraded around as "Look how cute* I am, vote for my Mom.", then yes, she's being pimped by her mom's campaign.
How would you know she doesn't discuss issues and policy unless you've been following her around documenting her speeches and interviews?
Especially:
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There was no policy discussion for Chelsea
Post by: Scout26 on April 22, 2008, 11:35:34 AM
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There was no policy discussion for Chelsea, who usually fields questions from college students at town hall meetings but does not do interviews with the press.
And from what I've seen/heard/read, the questions are pre-screened, softball questions.
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 23, 2008, 05:47:43 PM
How is this different from begging for votes on university campi, gun shows, and expensive dinners?
Well, none of those places are gay bars.
"But, but, but..."
Yeah, like I said, none of those places are gay bars. Period
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 24, 2008, 04:06:56 AM
How is this different from begging for votes on university campi, gun shows, and expensive dinners?
Well, none of those places are gay bars.
"But, but, but..."
Yeah, like I said, none of those places are gay bars. Period
Gimme a break! Are you serious? Does it matter where she's being paraded around? I guess to you religious righters......
The real issue is that she's being paraded around like a poodle. If they were asking her serious questions in the Gay bars, that would please me. But she's not being asked anything more than what her wardrobe would be on inauguration day. WTF?!?
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 24, 2008, 08:35:01 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on April 24, 2008, 08:43:00 AM
I wasn't aware that it required religious conviction to know the difference between a university, a gun show, a rubber chicken dinner, and a gay bar.
Wait, wait...Let's see. #1 has no guns except for maniacs, #2 has guns, #3 has prank guns with a "bang" flag, and #4 might have guns or not if Pink Pistols is there.
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 24, 2008, 01:12:30 PM
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 26, 2008, 03:39:22 AM
I wasn't aware that it required religious conviction to know the difference between a university, a gun show, a rubber chicken dinner, and a gay bar.
Your tone indicated you had a problem with her going into a gay bar to speak to potential voters. Jis sayin....
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 26, 2008, 03:55:10 AM
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 26, 2008, 05:21:02 AM
My tone? What tone? I don't know what you mean by "had a problem." Certainly in a sane world, no politician would want to be seen having anything to do with homosexual hang-outs, except perhaps closing them down. And I'm not saying they should be closed down, either. Jis sayin...
In any world, why would a politican care about the sexual habits of consenting adults? All politiicans should reach out to all of thier voters and constitutants to find out what thier real world issues are, rather than just meeting with lobbists in thier DC office. Oh, but the horror, for a politician (or thier representive) to meet with those disgusting soddomites.....
Here's the two real issues as I see them. YMMV (obviously it does):
1) Rather than do it herself, Hillary is sending her daughter into the controversial places
2) And said daughter is only fielding BS pop culture questions. No real policy issues.
Any politician that stood for true freedom would not bat an eye at walking into a gay bar nor a church on the same day.
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 26, 2008, 09:18:31 AM
So you think they shouldn't care about their sexual habits, yet you want them to go to the places where a tiny percentage of their constituents meet to hook up. Hmmm.
We're not going to get anywhere, here, Jamis. I just get tired of the stupid. Somebody decided that gay was OK, and now we're all supposed to fall in line, or we're terrible bigots. Yeah, it annoys me sometimes.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on April 26, 2008, 10:28:36 AM
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Certainly in a sane world, no politician would want to be seen having anything to do with homosexual hang-outs, except perhaps closing them down. And I'm not saying they should be closed down, either. Jis sayin...
There's an example of right wing authoritarianism. Done equivocatingly, but authoritarianism none the less. How about a little 'live and let live'?
Post by: Jamisjockey on April 26, 2008, 10:47:51 AM
So you think they shouldn't care about their sexual habits, yet you want them to go to the places where a tiny percentage of their constituents meet to hook up. Hmmm.
We're not going to get anywhere, here, Jamis. I just get tired of the stupid. Somebody decided that gay was OK, and now we're all supposed to fall in line, or we're terrible bigots. Yeah, it annoys me sometimes.
I never said you had to go into a gay bar.
What I can't figure out is condeming her for going to the gay bar.
Post by: roo_ster on April 26, 2008, 11:05:24 AM
So you think they shouldn't care about their sexual habits, yet you want them to go to the places where a tiny percentage of their constituents meet to hook up. Hmmm.
We're not going to get anywhere, here, Jamis. I just get tired of the stupid. Somebody decided that gay was OK, and now we're all supposed to fall in line, or we're terrible bigots. Yeah, it annoys me sometimes.
I never said you had to go into a gay bar.
What I can't figure out is condeming her for going to the gay bar.
Keep figuring and you might come to the answer
Post by: Matthew Carberry on April 26, 2008, 11:21:42 AM
And homosexuals are part of her mom's base1.
Chelsea going to gay bars to campaign just makes sense.
Especially noting that Hillary herself can't for political reasons. Everyone on "her side" knows this and thus wink at her sending her daughter as a proxy to give less of a handle to the "evil right-wing conspiracy".
1: Assumed base, because Dems are married to "identity politics" and are pathologically incapable of comprehending why any homosexual (black / poor person / immigrant) would actually vote for a Republican. Which is why any who do vote their individual preferences are lambasted as traitors and "Uncle Toms" by the true believers. They can't fathom dissent from "their" constituencies.
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 26, 2008, 03:13:57 PM
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Certainly in a sane world, no politician would want to be seen having anything to do with homosexual hang-outs, except perhaps closing them down. And I'm not saying they should be closed down, either. Jis sayin...
There's an example of right wing authoritarianism. Done equivocatingly, but authoritarianism none the less. How about a little 'live and let live'?
No, it's an example of you not knowing how to read. Or is it not knowing how to think? As I have implied, I see no reason to prohibit gay bars, or even gay sex. So there's nothing authoritarian going on here. Go away.
Post by: Perd Hapley on April 26, 2008, 03:16:51 PM
I never said you had to go into a gay bar.
What I can't figure out is condeming her for going to the gay bar.
What I can't figure out is condeming her for going to the gay bar.
I didn't condemn her for going into a gay bar, nor did I think you wanted me to go to one. Are you reading the same thread that I am?
Post by: taurusowner on April 27, 2008, 08:28:32 PM
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We're not going to get anywhere, here, Jamis. I just get tired of the stupid. Somebody decided that gay was OK, and now we're all supposed to fall in line, or we're terrible bigots. Yeah, it annoys me sometimes.
AGREED. I can't stand that somewhere along the line, it seems that it was just decided that there's only 1 acceptable opinion in relation to homosexuality, and that opinion is that it's all fine and dandy. So much for diversity of thought and idea. So much for freedom to believe and express your religion. Or regardless of religion, to simply think and feel and teach your kids what you want. The Left said gays are OK, and now we all better start thinking like them or else.
Who made the Left the deciders of what opinions people can have and what they can't?
Post by: mtnbkr on April 28, 2008, 04:18:38 AM
Who made the Left the deciders of what opinions people can have and what they can't?
Not a who, but a what. It is their ability to turn every question and comment around into an attack on the person asking the questions or making the comments. I heard this the other day during an on air interview. Interviewer asked a direct question and the interviewee immediately turned it around into an attack on Republicans.
Chris
Post by: mek42 on May 01, 2008, 04:50:01 PM
My tone? What tone? I don't know what you mean by "had a problem." Certainly in a sane world, no politician would want to be seen having anything to do with homosexual hang-outs, except perhaps closing them down. And I'm not saying they should be closed down, either. Jis sayin...
Perhaps said politicians would want to be known to actually care about our founding documents. The unalienable right for the pursuit of happiness and all that.
Neither the R's, D's, L's or C's fully respect our founding documents.
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 01, 2008, 06:25:59 PM
(Or did you think I wanted to close gay bars? )
Post by: mek42 on May 02, 2008, 04:19:05 PM
I think politicians personal lives get too much media coverage these days. Far, far too much.
Almost makes you think we'd be better back in the days when Joe Public didn't have the foggiest idea that President Roosevelt had polio and was in a wheelchair a great deal of the time.
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 02, 2008, 07:11:40 PM
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It does seem like you are strongly implying that "homosexual hangouts" are less respectable places than heterosexual hangouts.
By and large, yes. I certainly hope that point was clear enough.
When I said, "except perhaps closing them [gay bars] down," I was in no way endorsing such a step. I was instead describing the range of reasonable attitudes a politician might have to a gay bar. While I wouldn't support any effort to close gay clubs, it would at least be understandable. Sending your daughter into one to campaign for you? Not so much.
I agree to some extent about our knowledge of politicians' private lives. If Abe Lincoln had a flair for interior decoration, he at least had the decency to respect others' moral disapproval. In today's environment, he would have had a coming out press conference in the Rose Garden, then insisted that we all "accept him for who he is."
Post by: LadySmith on May 03, 2008, 04:37:19 AM
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Interviewer asked a direct question and the interviewee immediately turned it around into an attack on Republicans.
Kind of like what happens around here all the time. 
Post by: mek42 on May 03, 2008, 06:53:49 AM
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 03, 2008, 08:43:45 AM
fistful - Would you go so far as to say that the only reasonable reason a politician should be connected to bars in general is to close them?
Or placed behind them.
Post by: mek42 on May 03, 2008, 12:32:25 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 03, 2008, 12:55:52 PM
No need to tip-toe around things. I am indeed saying that a gay bar should reasonably have a social stigma, far beyond that of other bars. Because homosexuality should have a great deal of stigma and shame connected with it. Is that clear enough?
Post by: mek42 on May 03, 2008, 06:52:42 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 04, 2008, 06:05:21 AM
May I ask why you think this?
Response II:Why wouldn't I? Why has acceptance of homosexuality become the default position, or the more enlightened one? It has historically not been regarded as the equal of heterosexuality. Why should that change now? Obviously, we have to change our minds from time to time, but why should I change my mind on this?