Post by: lifer on October 05, 2005, 10:33:33 AM
1. We "own" things only with the consent of others; they can take it all away if they want and if you put up a fight then they will take your life to. The only reason this doesnt happen is because I, and millions of others, say you can have what you have. The extreme right does not like this and neither does the extreme left. Those of us who live in the real world understand it as reality.
2. Division of labor is redistribution of wealth is civilization. People really flip out over the term "redistribution of wealth." ALL civilizations not based on slavery are built on this principle. We pay taxes and we have roads and water and other services. We pay insurance companies and never see a return on a nickel- the money is given to others (unless we have an accident). Health insurance, car insurance, taxes for police, fire department, schools. People pay taxes and who never need a cop, never have a fire, and never have kids in school are all redistributing their wealth.
3. When some people get to the point where they own almost everything and do not redistribute their wealth, civilization starts to break down. Now traditionally, these people are "convinced" to share with the rest of the tribe but if they have allies willing to use violence then they retain their wealth. Eventually, the masses are turned into slaves. When people finally have nothing left to lose, heads get stuck on poles, the great works are burned to the ground, and everyone starts from scratch.
The "Left" and "Right" are contrivances; devices to distract you while the criminals rape your children. Better learn it and learn it well- because it has been the same for the last 10,000 years.
Post by: K Frame on October 05, 2005, 11:16:52 AM
Anyone smell something?
Post by: Art Eatman on October 05, 2005, 12:07:56 PM
Lots of folks out there like that. Age and a modicum of learning usually cures the problem.
, Art
Post by: lifer on October 05, 2005, 12:17:52 PM
Post by: K Frame on October 05, 2005, 12:41:33 PM
BBBBBBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Now the stench is just unbearable, Art!
He "knows us" after what, a whole week on chatboard?
He doesn't even know when his chain has been pulled so hard his eyes have popped out and are lying on his cheeks.
I've got my slice of the pie because I EARNED IT. I've known Art long enough (what is it now, Art, 5 years?) to know that he's also earned his slice of the pie, as well.
I'm not the Mike Irwin Scumbag Supporting Charitable Trust and Benevolent Crack Whore, Smack Junkie, and Boozehound Protection Association, and I have not intention of ever becoming such. I'm not my brother's keeper, and I'm not a subscriber to the Utopian Ideals and Anarchy Society of the One World.
If this country goes downhill because of people such as myself and Art, hardworking people who have created better lives for themselves, regularly contribute to the health of the economy through prudent purchasing, pay our taxes with a minimum of whining, and don't create a massive drain on society and the resources whiny liberal do-gooders love to throw at problems, then there's simply nothing that will save this country. Especially not you and your perverse "vision."
You don't know squat, boy. That much is evident.
I think Mercedesrules has a new playmate, though.
Post by: Paddy on October 05, 2005, 12:53:08 PM
Post by: lifer on October 05, 2005, 01:25:14 PM
Well, I am my brother's keeper. Where can I join that society?
Post by: Art Eatman on October 05, 2005, 01:28:40 PM
Capitalism isn't a zero-sum game. Bill Gates hasn't taken a thing from me, nor has Donald Trump. The opportunity is there for anybody to go out and create wealath in some manner. It doesn't matter whether it's in engineering, arts/crafts or nuclear physics. Or dreaming up something to sell. The "better mousetrap" idea will always work, even if it's no more than Hula Hoops, Pet Rocks or Cabbage Patch Kids.
As far as "truly wealthy" and redistribution, where do you think the Carnegie Library came from? Or the Ford Foundation? Bill Gates has already set up for billions to be spent on what he feels are worthy charitable causes, just as has Warren Buffet. Even Ted Turner has spent hundreds of millions on Good Deeds.
IIRC, corporations can spend up to 5% of their gross incomes on "do good", with a write-off against taxes--and they commonly do so. That's part of where the money sent to the disaster relief on the Gulf Coast is coming from.
But anybody who can work smart can get wealthy, given the drive and ambition and a bit of luck. A low-wage salaried job for a guy with few marketable talents? He's as bad off now and in the future as he was in the days of Nebudkanezzer (spelling?), except nowadays he has TV, Budweiser and MedicAid.
And some low-rent folks even get on the Internet and whine...
, Art"The harder I worked, the luckier I got." Art Eatman
Post by: lifer on October 05, 2005, 01:37:39 PM
Sounds familiar. I wonder if you have anything in your head not ejaculated by the fat drug addict.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on October 05, 2005, 01:39:37 PM
Go read "Atlas Shrugged", then come back and talk to me. I am genuinely curious what you'd have to say about it.
Post by: Paddy on October 05, 2005, 01:41:48 PM
Is the unfairness of life what's bugging you? Life is most assuredly unfair, and it's not about to change anytime soon.
Post by: lifer on October 05, 2005, 01:48:43 PM
If that is the best you can glean.......you are not a very good gleaner. The rest of that babbling you call a post is not worth replying to.
Post by: lifer on October 05, 2005, 01:51:01 PM
Uhhhh............. No. Maybe if you would have recommended it. But now we will never know.
Post by: Paddy on October 05, 2005, 01:56:20 PM
Post by: lifer on October 05, 2005, 01:59:22 PM
Post by: Paddy on October 05, 2005, 02:07:27 PM
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Those of us who live in the real world understand it as reality.
Your definition of 'real world' must be different than anyone else's. Seriously, dude, you are not coherent on any level. You make an opening statement without any examples or cites, then proceed with ad hominems like you're a tourette's patient. What is your major malfunction?
Post by: lifer on October 05, 2005, 02:09:00 PM
Post by: Art Eatman on October 05, 2005, 02:09:39 PM
Tossing out insults takes no talent whatsoever. However, I would bet that some of the folks' forbearance, here, is wearing thin. I know mine is. Next thing you know, I'll be writing stuff like, "I'd engage you in a battle of wits, but it's unfair to attack the unarmed man."
Ciao,
Art
Post by: lifer on October 05, 2005, 02:14:52 PM
Noone has done anything on this thread except regurgitate conservative propaganda or insult me. Can anyone argue my opening statement without sounding like Sean Hannity talking to a junior high schooler?
Post by: Guest on October 05, 2005, 02:17:59 PM
Post by: lifer on October 05, 2005, 02:20:28 PM
Post by: Paddy on October 05, 2005, 02:23:08 PM
Post by: Guest on October 05, 2005, 02:27:04 PM
At least you didn't do the irritating little non-quoting quote thing. Good job!
Post by: lifer on October 05, 2005, 02:33:05 PM
And the quote thing; sorry Barbara, I will try and figure that out.
Post by: Paddy on October 05, 2005, 02:42:58 PM
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I started this thread, noone will argue what it's about- they just want to cite teh dittohead bible and attack me.
Mebbe because 'noone' can figure out 'what it's about'. Other than throwing around epithets and personal attacks, you haven't written anything coherent. Do you want to explain what the hell you're talking about, or just continue to babble irrationally? What (if anything) is your point?
Post by: Guest on October 05, 2005, 02:44:24 PM
We'll work on content later, after the flying monkeys get that damned dog.
Post by: K Frame on October 05, 2005, 02:46:24 PM
Try California or Massachusetts.
"I agree that Mike is the reason this country is going down the tubes."
Doing my best, just for you, Riley...
Post by: K Frame on October 05, 2005, 02:48:24 PM
If anyone wondered as to Mr. Lifer's true nature, I think we now see it in spades.
I've suspected for some time, but now I know for certain.
What we have here is a 12 to 14 year-old boy who's been slammed hard against the wall of puberty and whose only release is computer chatrooms.
If not for computers and chatrooms I suspect that he'd be blind by now...
Post by: lifer on October 05, 2005, 02:52:27 PM
What do I claim to abhor again (besides that smell that follows you around)?
You rock Barb.
As for you Riley; go back and read the beginning of the thread. Read it again. Read it again........
Post by: K Frame on October 05, 2005, 02:52:33 PM
Finally, someone has to come out and state the painfully obvious.
Simply put, he has no point.
Post by: lifer on October 05, 2005, 02:56:35 PM
If most Americans had some grasp of reality instead of what they are spoon fed by the left and right, this country might stand a chance. It is the old liberal mantra of education solving all problems- and while many things liberal are mickey mouse and pie in the sky, that one is true. If people know the truth of something, they will act accordingly (most of the time). So think about this:
1. We "own" things only with the consent of others; they can take it all away if they want and if you put up a fight then they will take your life to. The only reason this doesnt happen is because I, and millions of others, say you can have what you have. The extreme right does not like this and neither does the extreme left. Those of us who live in the real world understand it as reality.
2. Division of labor is redistribution of wealth is civilization. People really flip out over the term "redistribution of wealth." ALL civilizations not based on slavery are built on this principle. We pay taxes and we have roads and water and other services. We pay insurance companies and never see a return on a nickel- the money is given to others (unless we have an accident). Health insurance, car insurance, taxes for police, fire department, schools. People pay taxes and who never need a cop, never have a fire, and never have kids in school are all redistributing their wealth.
3. When some people get to the point where they own almost everything and do not redistribute their wealth, civilization starts to break down. Now traditionally, these people are "convinced" to share with the rest of the tribe but if they have allies willing to use violence then they retain their wealth. Eventually, the masses are turned into slaves. When people finally have nothing left to lose, heads get stuck on poles, the great works are burned to the ground, and everyone starts from scratch.
The "Left" and "Right" are contrivances; devices to distract you while the criminals rape your children. Better learn it and learn it well- because it has been the same for the last 10,000 years.
So when people whine about the poor dragging everyone else down (as in the other fish thread)- I can smell their ignorance. It is not the ultra poor impoverishing us all, it is the other end of the spectrum; the ultra rich. Point finished.
Post by: Paddy on October 05, 2005, 02:58:15 PM
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What we have here is a 12 to 14 year-old boy who's been slammed hard against the wall of puberty and whose only release is computer chatrooms.
Well, he calls himself 'lifer'. Mebbe he's in a juvenile detention facility, and has been 'slammed hard' there. Do they provide internet access in those places?
Post by: lifer on October 05, 2005, 03:02:04 PM
Post by: RGO on October 05, 2005, 03:55:43 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin
What we have here is a 12 to 14 year-old boy who's been slammed hard against the wall of puberty and whose only release is computer chatrooms.
Agree.Why is the behavior in this thread tolerated? I know this isn't THR (where such a thread would have been closed), but letting this go on doesn't make sense to me.
Post by: lifer on October 05, 2005, 03:58:13 PM
Post by: grampster on October 05, 2005, 04:33:18 PM
Post by: Stand_watie on October 05, 2005, 05:02:34 PM
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If most Americans had some grasp of reality instead of what they are spoon fed by the left and right, this country might stand a chance
For the sake of trying to identify if we have any common ground at all, I'll take a crack at this by asking a question - exactly what is it you believe the American left spoon feeds America that is causing a problem, lifer?
Post by: griz on October 06, 2005, 09:59:42 AM
Hey, wait. 10,000 years is a LONG time ago. Maybe I should seek some other written record from that time instead of relying on the ramblings of this philosopher.
Post by: grampster on October 06, 2005, 10:31:38 AM
